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Singapore National Football Team: Let’s talk about statistics

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Dust is now beginning to settle on the Lions’ ultimately unsuccessful 2011 Asian Cup qualification. The unsavoury media reports on the indiscipline of the Lions leading up to the crucial Group game in Jordan had turned a few heads in the local media and a few others journalists had expressed their utter disappointment on the circumstances that led to the defeat.

However, like everything in life, the Lions’ performance throughout the qualifying campaign must be taken into perspective.

Ultimately, success is relative, especially in sports – where no one team can win matches without someone else losing.

With that in mind, the editorial team had decided to access the development and relative success (or lack of) of our national team since 2000. For the purpose of analysis, four other regional national teams are selected as benchmarks, namely Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam. Besides our geographical ties, these four teams are by and large considered on par with the Lions.

The Ingredients

The best chefs in the world will agree that the best dishes require the best ingredients. At international level, the most successful national teams are relatively populous nations where football had been embedded into their history for over a hundred years. The past five different winners of the World Cup prove this – Italy (60million), Brazil (192m), France (65m), Germany (82m) and Argentina (40m).

Apologies for stating the obvious, but this is where Singapore is in an extremely disadvantageous position. Our population is only about 2% of Indonesia’s and 6% of Vietnam’s. Because of this, our domestic league is relatively smaller in size and hence the estimated pool of professional players whom our national coach can choose from is relatively smaller.

For the sake of comparison, it should be noted that we also do not have a huge pool of players who are based overseas (unlike a nation of similar size like the Republic of Ireland, where they have large numbers of players based in England).

Table 1

 

Singapore

Thailand

Malaysia

Indonesia

Vietnam

Country population

4,987,600

63,389,730

28,306,700

231,369,500

85,789,573

Estimate pool of Professional players (in top flight domestic football)**

150

410

308

450

280

Professional domestic league since

1996

1996

2004

1994

N/A

Number of prominent national players based overseas

4

5

0

0

0

** Average number of registered players less foreigners of all local teams in top flight.

International Stage

With that in mind, we will be looking at our showing at the international stage over the past ten years.

In terms of FIFA world ranking, Singapore fared relatively no different from our rivals, with the exception of Thailand. Like Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam, Singapore has achieved the highest FIFA ranking of mid-70s and is currently ranking outside the top 100.

Another acid test to judge the Lions’ performance is qualification in continental competitions and for the World Cup.

For qualification for the 2006 FIFA World Cup, all five nations in question were eliminated in the 2nd round. Thailand came the closest, finishing third in their group and four points away from qualification for the next round. Singapore finished 15 points away from progress.

The 2007 Asian Cup was not a fair gauge as our rivals all qualified as co-hosts, while Singapore missed out, finishing 7 points from progress.

For the 2010 World Cup qualification, Singapore was arguably the best performer in the region. We finished third in a tough group in the 3rd third round, nine points from progress. Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam were all eliminated before this round and Thailand was bottom of their group.

And for the most recent qualification campaign, Singapore was just two points from qualification and again, only Thailand fared slightly better. The other three nations were no where near qualifying.

Besides showing that the Lions had fared better than average in qualification campaigns, it is interesting to note the overall progress which the team had enjoyed over the course of the last four qualification campaigns. The Lions were perennial whipping boys before, but our past two qualification campaigns had proven that the team can go out to win a couple of games and seriously challenge.

 Table 2

 

Singapore

Thailand

Malaysia

Indonesia

Vietnam

Highest FIFA ranking

73 (Aug 1993)

43 (Sep 1998)

75 (Aug 1993)

73 (Sep 1998)

84 (Sep 1998)

Current FIFA ranking (Feb 2010)

120

98

159

136

116

World Cup 2006 Qualification

4th in 2nd round (15pts from next round)

3rd in 2nd round (4pts from next round)

4th in 2nd round (15pts from next round)

3rd in 2nd round (11pts from next round)

3rd in 2nd round (10pts from next round)

Asian Cup 2007 qualification

3rd in Final qualifying Group (7 points away from qualification)

Qualified as co-hosts

Qualified as co-hosts

Qualified as co-hosts

Qualified as co-hosts

World Cup 2010 Qualification

3rd in 3rd round (9pts away)

4th in 3rd round (10pts)

Eliminated in 1st round

Eliminated in 2nd round

Eliminated in 1st round

Asian Cup 2011 qualification

4th in Final qualifying Group (2 pts away)

3rd in Final qualifying Group (2 pts)

3rd in Final qualifying Group (9 pts)

4th in Final qualifying Group (6 pts)

3rd in Final qualifying Group (8 pts)

  

Regional Supremacy

Another way to look at success is to look at how you have performed against your rivals directly. Two regional competitions to analyse this is of course the ASEAN Championship (previously Tiger Cup) and the SEA Games.

In this aspect, Singapore is clearly number two in the region, with Thailand being the dominant force over the last ten years or so. In terms of victories in the ASEAN championships, we are tied at three-all with the Thais, though they have clearly performed much better in the SEA Games tournaments (which feature the U23 teams since 2001).

All FIFA ‘A’ listed games between Singapore and the regional rivals since 2000 had also been compiled. It is interesting to note that only Vietnam has a better head-to-head record against the Lions. We have beaten Thailand four times in the past decade and they had only come up tops thrice.

 Table 3

 

Singapore

Thailand

Malaysia

Indonesia

Vietnam

ASEAN Championship (Previously Tiger Cup) performances

3 Titles

3 Titles; 2 Runners-up

1 Runners-up

3 Runners-up

1 Title, 1 Runners-up

SEA Games performances (since 2001)

0

4 Titles

1 Title; 1 Runners-up

0

3 Runners-up

 

Table 4 – Singapore head-to-head vs regional rivals

 

P

W

D

L

Pts

Average pts

F

A

GD

Indonesia

9

5

3

1

18

2.00

12

6

6

Thailand

10

4

3

3

15

1.50

10

16

-6

Malaysia

12

3

6

3

15

1.25

12

14

-2

Vietnam

8

1

5

2

8

1.00

6

7

-1

  

The decade ahead

Statistically, it must be said that the Singapore national team had outperformed our regional rivals since 2000, with the exception of perhaps Thailand. However, the Thais had been the traditional powerhouse for a long time and our recent records do suggest that we can match them.

The decade ahead will be the team’s chance to usurp the Thais as the dominant force in South East Asia and then move on to conquer bigger things.

From now till the end of this year, the Lions will have all the time in the world to prepare for the ASEAN championship, which will be held in Vietnam and Indonesia (knock-out stages will be two-legged). It is fair to say that the Lions need a strong performance in that competition to brush aside any doubts in the media which may be still lingering by then.

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13 Responses to “Singapore National Football Team: Let’s talk about statistics”

  • AIR FORCE KING:

    The singapore national team is like the current state of the Singaporean. Back in the Malaysia Cup, we had only at the most 3 FRs, namely Abbas Saad and Jang Jung but yet the whole nation supported them cause they gave their best for the Singapore team.

    Now almost half the Singapore team are FRs and still the likes of Indra Shadan, Nor Alam Shah, Lionel Lewis are still playing better than these FRs. These FRs are also taking up Singaporeans places and their dreams of representing for the national team. And what happened to the indian soccer players??

    So many of them, S.Rajagopal, Terry Pathmanathan, Sundramoorthy, Sasikumar and Subramani have served Singapore well and now they are not even in the national team!!!! Instead we have Nigerans, Croatians who are playing much worse than our own local players but yet still don the national colours.

  • John Davidson:

    I think this story misses the point. Yes Singapore has performed OK since 2000, but we must stop comparing ourselves to the rest of SE Asia because SE Asia is a footballing backwater. No team from this region has made the World Cup and rarely do any make the Asian Cup. Jordan were easily beatable, but the players did not perform. We should be looking to emulate the likes of Japan, Korea and Australia. The S-League needs to improve, and more money needs to go into coaching and player development. You only need to look at countries like NZ, where football is about the fourth or fifth most popular sport, with a population of similar size to Singapore, and they have made the World Cup. NZ beat Bahrain to make the tournament, and four years before Bahrain narrowly lost to Trinidad & Tobago. Bahrain is tiny, and so are many countries around the World which regularly perform better than Singapore, so its not all about population size. Singapore needs to develop a sports culture, and specifically a football culture, if it wants to improve.

  • Kian:

    did we compare the amount of money spent and ROI across all region?
    domestically, we have a small population and our domestic league does not attract as many supporters as across the regions…

  • RayAngLdn:

    @John Davidson,

    i agree that we should be looking to follow the examples of NZ, Bahrain, Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica and Costa Rica into seeing what is required to take us to the World Cup given our demographics. Following our competitors in the region will not take us anywhere. I guess this report is not meant to suggest that we should be resting on our laurels, but to say that rather than constantly lambasting the national team, we should be showing some support since we did not fare that badly after all.

    @AIR FORCE KING
    i do think that raddy is playing the best 11 on the field. Players like noh alam shah and hariss harun have their place in the starting 11 because they warrant it. If u look at the substitutes that we have, not a lot of them have played well enough to suggest that they can take over the place of anyone in the first 11 at the moment. Ridhuan and Noh Rahman constantly get outmuscled by stronger opponents when they play defence.

  • Incredulous:

    IMHO, the issue is FAS is banking too much on the FTs to improve the skills of our local players when they should be concentrating on nurturing young talents and provide the basic tenets of soccer skills.

    Back then, I still remember we had the MILO soccer school. Under Jita Singh we were drilled with the basics of soccer playing and skills (eg. dribbling, passing, man-marking)

    On top of that, we were encouraged to take on boys older and more experienced than us.

    FAS should stop importing FTs and start spending our taxpayers money on training our young boys with the basics of soccer skills. And send them overseas like Korea, Japan and Australia. For them to see and experience the different styles of soccer playing.

    As Singapore is too small for the S-league, we should be humble enough to rejoin the M-League or even join the Liga Indonesia. This would enable our boys to grow claws and fangs and not be over-awed by huge crowds and larger than life teams.

    I don’t mind if we don’t win any trophies. All is ask is good passionate soccer playing from our boys. At least, if we lose….we lost to a better team (or due to referee kayu, hehehe); not because of the insipid play that we have been tortured to see for so long.

  • Kok:

    I don’t think having FT is bad cos they can help to improve our players. It’s like going on exchange, you learn when you mix around with better players.
    But yes we should not depend on them.
    We should learn from them then do better than them.
    Agree that we should follow the successful football model of some of the smaller nations but we also have to consider the fact that demographics plays a part.
    Some people in some countries are generally bigger, stronger, faster. This makes a very big difference.
    Learning from Japan and korea helps in a way cos our East Asian neighbours are closer to us in terms of size and build.

    Having a small nation is one thing but having people in the country playing football is another. In some other countries, there can be alot of people choosing football as a career cos of the prospects but many people dun see prospects in Singapore. No offence to any race but that is one reason why we dun see alot of Chinese taking up football professionally, esp when they form the major bulk of the population here.

  • Damon Yeo:

    Hi all – again, thanks for showing interest in the local football scene. Here are my views:

    1) I think that FT is not an issue. France has many players not born in France, Bahrain (as mentioned in earlier comments) has a few Nigerian-born players in their ranks. So where you draw the line of being local or not?

    2) My point of the article, is to prove that we had indeed made progress in the last ten years. I agree that our next step is to compete with the Asian giants, but we are moving in the right direction. Success in international football DOES NOT come overnight. Spain, with all its infrastructure and fanatism in football only tasted their first success in 2008.

    3) I dont think we should go back to the M-League or join any other leagues as a team. S-League provides livelihood to many local players and this is something we must continue to have. We have a population of 5m, countries of similar size like Finalnd / Denmark / Slovakia / Norway all have a proper professional leagues running and they do not simply “join another league”. The goal of S-League should be to develop local players and yes, help them move overseas if opportunities arises.

  • Like it or not, M-League is better:

    Damon Yeo on Wed, 17th Mar 2010 10:04 pm
    “My point of the article, is to prove that we had indeed made progress in the last ten years.”

    “I dont think we should go back to the M-League or join any other leagues as a team.”

    If you are trying to rationalize that the present format is better (for the fans) than M-League, then you have failed.

    I wonder whether by going back to M-League now, we are able to bring back the kind of good-old-days ‘fanatical’ support & pure spirit. The fact is that the momentum (M-League craze) has already broken off. Do you know the fun (sense of good expectation in our young hearts) of even walking through PA all the way to Kallang Stadium, let alone watching the match itself.

    I have been living with a stadium barely three minutes walk from my place for more than 15 years and I only attended one paid match (S-League) so far and that was many many years ago.

    Why not you just do a quick survey on those who had experienced the Quah Kim Song, Sundramoorthy, Edward Alistair, Abba Said era and I bet you will know the answer even before the survey.

    Regional achievement or not, it is the sustained support (the spirit of rivalry & national fervour against malaysian states) that the old format was able to achieve that the current format just cannot mirror.

  • Hi all,

    i am a singaporean born turkish now living in turkey. i used 2 live in singapore till i was 12. i always watched a mix of turkish football and singapore football. what i realised about the teams were about the fan support and amount of motivation they had. turkish players were always motivated and did well for most matches. fans also did their part. cheered for the whole match without stopping. even though their team was losing, they continued not to give up hope. when i watch singapore teams, the fans seem to just cheer same thing and drum all the way. turkish football fans are just one of a kind. they have their kick off starting cheer and cheer different chants till the match end. they also celebrate on their way home by horning their cars and waving the turkish flag. i dont see that in signapore and the players in the team are not so motivated and disciplined. i hope the coach can do something about motivating the players and disclipline them

  • Loyola:

    The progress of the national team comes before any old sentiment for a kampong M-League.

    Going back is a step back.

  • football citizen:

    John Davidson,
    Agree with you Singapore has no footballing culture. I have also mentioned in TR’s other posts.
    Couple with this and the lifestyle of our youngmen of today,football as a profession is just about lukewarm.
    Like it or not, we can never go back to the days of Malaysia Cup,be it spectators,players,enthusiam,craziness,
    etc.Those days are gone and buried.
    Having said that, of course football can still thrive in Singapore.With our S-league,the local supportors numbering
    and hovering around a few hundreds to a few thousands at
    every match.Those football fans of old, who are over 40 plus,mostly are not interested in our own footballers.Many have refocus their interest to the English,European or other countries,where the standard of football,as compared to ours is so obvious.

  • Like it or not, M-League is better:

    You are right. The spirit of M-league is buried and that goes the support of those 40 plus.

    We are trying to search a lost formula which is buried for good.

    Football is about support. Whether is the old kampong sentiment for M-League or the yet-to-be-seen progress of the modern National team, there will not be any football if there is no support.

  • AIR FORCE KING:

    Why not improve not only the S.Leauge but the standard of the teams in this region. Get the 4 best teams from Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia and form a leauge. Should improve the quality of soccer as a whole!!!! What the hell is a french club doing here in Singapore????

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