Gan Kim Yong denied that the move to slow the intake of foreigners was politically motivated
February 3rd, 2010 | 
Author: Written by Our Correspondent
Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong has denied that the recent backtracks made by the PAP to slow the intake of foreigners was politically motivated.
PAP leaders, led by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and his father Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew had been exhorting Singaporeans to welcome more foreigners as they are “essential” to our economy.
However, they began to sing a different tune early this year, stung by rising anger among Singaporeans at the large number of foreigners living in their midst.
Due to the ruling party’s liberal immigration policies, foreigners now make up 36 per cent of Singapore’s population, up from 14 per cent in 1990. Of the remaining 64 per cent who are citizens, an increasing proportion are born overseas.
The Economic Strategies Committee recently unveiled a series of proposals to reduce Singapore’s heavy dependence on foreign workers and to boost productivity to fuel economic growth.
When asked by the media how seriously the government would push companies to raise productivity, Mr Gan said:
“Companies that cannot raise productivity may just have to go out of business or leave Singapore. In past economic restructuring, we have also seen businesses moving out of Singapore. That process has to continue,” he was quoted as saying in the Straits Times.
Mr Gan chaired a sub-committee on fostering inclusive growth, which recommended that Singapore should more than double its productivity growth rate to 2 per cent to 3 per cent annually in the next decade.
His group recommended raising the foreign work levy to “discourage companies from importing too many low-skilled workers.”
“We need to moderate the inflow of foreign workers so that companies are motivated to invest in productivity,” he said.
Mr Gan conceded that the ’social constraints’ of importing too many foreign workers was a reason that his sub-committee recommended the shift towards better productivity, but denied that the move to slow the intake of foreigners was politically motivated, claiming that the “starting point” is driven by “productivity.
Economists have been warning for years that Singapore has to boost its labor productivity and decrease the intake of cheap foreign labor, but the ruling party only bother to focus on boosting productivity now.
A month ago, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong continued to emphasize that Singapore ”must continue to welcome hardworking, enterprising people to our shores.”:
‘We need them both to expand our talent pool and help Singapore to prosper, as well as to top up our own population and make up for our low birth rates. We need the many foreign workers who work here, to build HDB flats and MRT lines, to work in factories especially on late shifts, and to help man the IRs,” he said.
His stance was repeated by MM Lee Kuan Yew in August last year:
“We need immigrants to make up for the children we are not having. Between age 25 and 40, over 30% remain single and childless….If we do not have educated Malaysians, China Chinese and India Indians and others from the region, our economy will decline. Our labour force will shrink.”
In an interview with the National Geographic magazine published last month, the elder Lee is reported as saying that it is a “good thing” that Singapore is welcoming so many Chinese immigrants (from mainland China) as they are more “hard-driving” and “hard-striving” than locals.
The abrupt reversal in their earlier stance on foreign workers and immigration is baffling. Can Singaporeans really trust them to reduce the inflow of foreigners?
Singaporeans should consider their future and that of their children very carefully when they cast their vote in the next general election.
If the ruling party can flip-flop now, it can easily change its policies again after winning another election with “overwhelming” mandate so long there is no strong opposition in parliament to check on it.
In another few years’ time, Singaporeans may end up being in the minority in their own country dominated by the PAP and its new pets from China, India, Philipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar and god knows where.
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gan kim yong is just a poodle . when the master say sit , he better sit. he is indecisive and incompetent in his work, very similar to his colleagues.
Personally, I doubt they will change the policy of flooding this island with cheap foreign labour.
They have become too dependent on cheap foreign labour.
It is just an elaborate plan to fool Singaporeans.
I am still voting for change.
Nowadays, there is so much smoke in Singapore that you would think our neighbourly Indonesians had started forest clearing early.
All big shot e.g. Old Lee, Young Lee, Tharman, Khaw had something to say about foreigners and PRs.
However, talk is dirt cheap. We will only believe PAP has changed its uber pro-foreigner policies if we see fewer foreigners – that includes PRs – on the street, in the MRT, in HDB, in schools and workplace.
Otherwise, let’s vote out the Pompous Asses Party.
The MAIN DRIVER employers prefer to hire foreigners is THE “KICK BACKS” from these workers. It is not because they are better workers. It is a known fact foreign workers pay their employers to work for them through a third party, usually one of their existing foreign workers. The amount of “kickback’ ranges between S$5000.00 and S$10,000.00 and this is paid upfront. Raising the levy would not help as it would mean charging back this fee to the foreign workers by increasing the upfront money.
The MOM should be pro-active by investigating into all employers of foreign workers to get to the root of the problem.
singapore is a large factory welcoming foreign workers..
the businessmen happy with foreign workers.. cheaper and can save money
the gov happy with foreign workers… becos can make businessmen here happy
singaporeans NOT happy because
NO Job for you.. means no flats, no money and no life
more people in singapore means Inflation….
So I must get money from the Casinos..
thank you pap for the casinos !!
This shows that the pigs can lie without changing their face looking at you in your eyes.
Not a very difficult thing to do since they make millions a year if they put it off.
Doing the real work takes up too much effort in their opinion.
I have no faith in him or any of the ministers. Another ‘honest’ mistake?
“The abrupt reversal in their earlier stance on foreign workers and immigration is baffling”
what is so baffling?? its common sense la why they doing this….
A goverment with no foresight, VOTE PAP OUT!!! Election is Near, make your voice hear, tell them who is the boss.
A PAP goverment solution that backfire at the end, low productivity, over crowed train etc…..
How to entrust our future with such high pay goverment that cannot protect the basic need of Singaporean.
How come the govt is changing the inflow of immigrants via levy and not the approval process of the immigrants?
Does Gan thinks that the current standard of approval is appropriate?
I don’t think so because a prc woman pretended that she has a degree and she went on to strip in a KTV as a manager.
What the govt is trying to is to make some more monies out of the restriction of immigration?!
Whatever we want, the govt will try to make some monies out of it.
PAP has no intentions of reverting or changing policies to accomodate Singaporeans. The only propaganda regarding all these ”çhanges” that one reads in the local media is to try and sway Singaporeans from voting them out. They are simply lying and being dishonest.
Beware – this is a self-serving party and it is all empty gestures!
We need to vote this party out and out for good.
meant that woman PRC was given work permit nonetheless.
there is no verification process.
In another news, PAP ministers denies that “Progress Package” to Singaporeans are used to “bride” people into voting for PAP.
Duh.
I give up with all these guys.
They are only messengers (office boy) carrying out orders and instructions.
Trust gone.
Pompous Ass Party!
How appropriate.
@mon on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 1:03 pm
why again bullshit to PRC women? remind you a few years ago,a local breed lady made a GUINNESS record in US,where she Fxxx with 250 guys in a few hours! and also pls go to bullshit your social escort service companies. what can you imagine to do after paying a few thousand dollars for one night? oh yeah, those girls don’t have to apply for work permits!
People like Gan and Mah are just inconsequential people, they are just on the coattail of other people. Default practice is to take advantage of the goodies meted out by PAP. With million dollar salaries surely they can be thick skin to say things they never mean.
When the father and son change their color so must these people change their color to match the party new found color. They are like chameleon that changes color to fit into the environment to avoid danger. Ask them where on earth is their conscience. Last heard there was one buyer and his name is Lucifer.
Singaporean you die your business is still a valid motto to these men whose heart and mind is to follow where the money flow. Take care fellow Singaporean, these roboto will never give us a dime but can only change their tune according to the master’s control.
Hey backdoor boy, you have stolen the theme of my song, ‘Words’.
‘It’s only words, and words are all I have, to take your VOTES away.’
“Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong has denied that the recent backtracks made by the PAP to slow the intake of foreigners was politically motivated.”
C’mon..What do you expect him to say?? He wouldn’t dare to admit it…he would get reamed by the Old Teabag and his ass-loving pansy son! Just like the ex-president said, “they are nothing more that a bunch of “Department Store Dummies” devoid of any independent original thought…totally afraid to express ideas that may offend the Old Teabag for fear of the repercussions! Just watch the Vid in the link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17qhGIwyGj0&feature=fvst
Listen to what Francis Seow says about how the ministers, every single one of them, is terrified of what the Old Teabag will do to them if god forbid they should fall on the wrong side.
We all know that really if this u-turn in policy is, if not politically motivated, it is motivated by money for sure!!!
Gan Kim Yong can wayang until the Kangaroos come home and nothing will change. All this talk about the ’slowing of intact’ are just pre GE gimmic and will return to status quo or worsen once GE is over and the PAPies is returned with a ’strong mandate’.
Sinkaporeans SHOULD NOT believe a single word the PAPies are muttering and should excercise their vote wisely to bring more checks and balances into parliment and make the PAPies account for EACH & EVERY little things they do and not let them treat Sinkapore as if they own it.
Dog Kim Yong, is just another papaya “DOG”…..the master say eat
shit is good he will do it…same same for all the other pappy “DOGS” in the lee corporation!
Can TR send an E-mail to US President, Barrack Obama, to request him apply for Singapore citizenship and then stand for election to become Singapore’s next Prime Minister or Minister Mentor? Tell him not to apply for re-election for the US Presidency because the post of MM or PM pays 7 times more than his current salary and he has to manage only a meager population of 4 million. Besides just having to walk around, looking important and doing some forecasting like giving us an end of the world projection, he just has the additional task of linking us to the rest of the world and of course, giving us true democracy by removing all the chains of restrictions around us.
Wow, a Prime Minister who is a Nobel Prize Winner and who has the connections with just about every country in the world. Wouldn’t it be lovely?
A new PARADIGM SHIFT is really needed instead of a Big Shift.
Where is the BIG in the Big Shift??? Same old thing. Tell me what’s new? The economy is like a big ship. When you want to U-turn, it can take quite a long while.
Meanwhile, what’s the solution to high HDB prices and bias against S’poreans fro jobs?
Hi TR,
“In another few years’ time, Singaporeans may end up being in the minority in their own country dominated by the PAP and its new pets from China, India, Philipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar and god knows where.”
We’re unhappy about the policy makers not the migrants. To call them “pets” is not appropriate. Let our anger not be directed at them but the one who caused it.
policy shift? So far all talk and nothing concrete. Unless i see less commies running around, spreading communism. I believe it.
I think we will remember all the stupid policies when voting comes. We must thank a certain old fart for reminding us.
Actually, I don’t really think it’s because of political concern. The point is, look at the Sear case. It’s telling that if political concern is that important, PA won’t have said what it consequently said.
In such a matter, ESC must have a certain agenda because there will be outlash or credits depending on how the economy goes… So it’s unlikely that because a bunch of online noises you can change policies of such which will be stated in ESC report.
There must be professional considerations behind such approach. The main issue is still that this PM won’t be likely to give up on economic direction merely to cater for noises, and that ESC report cannot just be changed anyhow… say, assuming once it is stated ‘due to political concerns’, you can’t change it back after election.
So I am with Gan Kim Yong on this issue. It’s very unlikely it’d be a political issue. Somehow, the government is taking seriously to certain aspects, and discovers a new thought necessary to approach the economy.
Think about it this way, do you believe that once ESC suggested this new direction, then you make noise to go the other direction in a month’s time, they will change the report next month?
Doesn’t make sense.
@Elfred
I am inclined towards their opinion.
I strongly beleive that there may still be A FEW GOOD MEN(AND WOMEN) left in their team but I am not sure about GAN KIM YOUNG.I think THARMAN and LIM HWEE HUA may be more genuinely concerned about their fellow citizens.
@ Elfred
“… say, assuming once it is stated ‘due to political concerns’, you can’t change it back after election.”
why not? PAPies are known to give empty promises….swiss standard of living? where?
It is confirmed that PAP will resume the relentless influx of third world foreigners if they win this coming election with more than two-third majority. If they are sincere, they should have made it a law that companies must employ at least 50% of Singaporeans who had completed NS as their staff. It is ridiculous that 100% of able bodied Singaporean NS men are forced by law to risk and sacrifice their lives but the PAP can even refused to enact a law to force companies to employ 50% of these brave men as their staff?
//Elfred
rubbish!
The way Gan is suggest is through a levy scheme. Why could he not impose a more rigorous check on the potential foreign worker?
Look these people just come here and say whatever degrees they have and they come and work as whatever.
If England/US had a similar system, their govt would have been trashed much earlier.
Just 1 month ago, LKY made a case for the liberal immigration policies that the ESC is now against.
His people was still trying to influence us about what we know inside about their undesirable outcome of their liberal immigration policies.
Basically, the govt decided that their next 5 years pay is at stake at the moment, so, just sing along with the populace.
While at the same time, make some monies from the employers from increasing the levy.
Why should they do that? Could they have suggested some more effective?
Checking is extra work which they don’t get paid from.
getting levy from doing nothing much is preferable to them but doesn’t help the general population.
We have never seen the case like the old lady being scolded by 2 PRC women below.
I wonder if they are admitted into s’pore because they claimed they had phds. from some chinese university.
//CHN PR Veteran
That local breed woman didn’t perform her act in Singapore for a reason.
Your kind did it in Singapore which allow me to complain because I live here.
If you think PRC woman are straight, I suggest you look on the web, there is one bitch who recorded her love making noise for download and caused a sensation in China.
Even if there was a local breed woman who fuck 250 men, it still didn’t make the 2 PRC women right for scolding there grandmother.
Tell me what the grandmother did to deserve such an demonstration of verbal abuse.
And you are right, my opinion of PRC women in Singapore are very low.
Gan wants to improve on productivity but he doesn’t want to impose more careful checks on the qualifications of immigrants.
it is like he wants a better stronger fire but he kept throwing in wet wood sticks.
If it is NOT politically motivated, then it must be ECONOMICS but the changed economics now COMPELTELY DISCREDITED THE ECONOMIC POLICY OF THE PAST AS COMPLETE FAILURES.
How does one get comfort thought that this “new age” economics ADVOCATED IN THE 46-PAGE REPORT is even MORE FLAWED of adverse consequences?
Nuclear energy option for us when Canada has just did a BIG ABOUT TURN??
And there are embedded structural issues not easily demolished or redesigned of direction and substance!
He is the man who give work permits to any tom and harry like toilet paper.He should increase the levy of those PMET workers like clerk technician, engineer, mechanic,receptionist and many others whereby Singaporean want to work and reduce the levy of construction workers,cleaners,garbage truck attendant and maids which Singaporean shun. The levy for skill worker is $50 per month and it should increase them to $500 per month so as to deter the employer from employing them and employ Singaporean instead. Likewise, the levy for maids and other jobs that Singaporean shun, should reduce to $50 so that they can take home more pay. In such , the employer will have no choice but to employ Singaporean.
Aiyah, he can deny like seow lah but the more he denies, the more he will stupid. All of them are in the same boat. There is a captain and he gives the orders and all the sailors just follow blindly. The ship is sinking….time will tell and many hope it sinks soon and sink for good. At least we Singaporeans can then have a Life.
We just need to keep reminding ourselves and our relatives/friend s of all those policies flip-flop by the self-proclaimed and expensive talents running our country until coming GE, and then vote them out, totally…
I am willing to give opposition parties a chance to form the next government, nothing they do can be worst than all those empty promises, derogatory remarks, treating us singaporeans like 3 years old (who would believe that the 2% increase in gst is to help the poor?), losing our hard-earned reserves, devising schemes to lock up our cpf, open door policy for foreigners…
The more reason we must vote in more opposition to keep the PAP in check…. and make sure that they don’t go back on their word to reduce foreign workers.
Deny all he wants. Any Singaporean who wants to vote out PAP knows the policy change is politically motivated. Nothing can change that.
Lions Roar,
Frankly speaking… No one is really perfect. You can’t say all the ministers are all bad, and all are all good. Some who appears ok may not be really that ok, some who ain’t ok may be very ok.
On this matter I chose to stand with Gan only because there is no reason not to. Hahahahaha…
If I put in Zhuge Liang, then all of them may end up not so ok. See?
Views are always subjective to men’s wisdom. So… …
Hahahaha~
Ah,
PAP is the name of a party. If you want promises to be delivered, it’s still about who should be doing what. It’s like the infamous Preston Degrees issue, what if I were to be the one running Preston? I’d deliver.
Which is all the more that if you want a party to deliver, the people must be serious in both their judgement and their actions. If you can’t support the right ones, if you don’t dare to support the right and kick the wrong ones…
What’s the use of blaming PAP?
Year after year, oppositions are making war cries… but from what I see, none of them are seriously interested to win. That goes for Chiam See Tong. They are not interested to deliver. In short, they are not interested to progress to a sufficient capability level. So…
It’s always easier to blame.
Mon,
What you are pointing out is the way of how to handle immigrants, and not really on whether this is based on political pressures or not.
Am I suppose to answer you further? Hahahahahaha~
It is the fault of PM Lee for the liberal immigration policy. GAN should be blamed for not discharging his duty as manpower minister and be a 100% yes man to his boss in order to keep his position.
“Can TR send an E-mail to US President, Barrack Obama, to request him apply for Singapore citizenship and then stand for election to become Singapore’s next Prime Minister or Minister Mentor?”
If Obama is to come to Singapore, I’m afraid he need to change his name to PAPama to even have a chance of succeeding as PM. Remember , wE have here a Lee Dynasty and PAPama must at least be a GodSon if not the biological son of the Emperor.
@elfred -
(quote)Actually, I don’t really think it’s because of political concern. The point is, look at the Sear case. It’s telling that if political concern is that important, PA won’t have said what it consequently said.(unquote)
If it is not political concern, why is the report timing so nice coming prior to election and all the other MIW singing at the same time. It is all planned out. They knew what they were doing is going to be unpopular and they plan to restore their credibility by using this strategy. Oh for goodness sake who is Sear, YPAP is not exactly PAP and the big boy don’t really care what this young punk is doing. This small people problem how can you compare them to a huge challenge facing the nation. The influx of foreign workers is not a small issue and cannot be resolved overnight. There are huge concern, if they don’t let in foreigners, the employer will be unhappy and if they let in foreigners the Singaporeans become unhappy. Unhappiness means no vote for the PAP. The foreign workers issue concern few millions voters, Sear case at most few thousand. You are out of sync with numbers. That’s serious political concern.
(quote)In such a matter, ESC must have a certain agenda because there will be outlash or credits depending on how the economy goes… So it’s unlikely that because a bunch of online noises you can change policies of such which will be stated in ESC report.
There must be professional considerations behind such approach. The main issue is still that this PM won’t be likely to give up on economic direction merely to cater for noises, and that ESC report cannot just be changed anyhow… say, assuming once it is stated ‘due to political concerns’, you can’t change it back after election.(unquote)
Don’t think too highly of the PAP, if they are so professional they wouldn’t have let the matter of foreign workers influx become such a big issue and they would have proper infrastructure in place to receive the massive influx and not cause so much social disruption. If you think this issue is merely noises, you are still living in dreamland and not know what is the implication. Nothing can wake up Singaporean more than the bread and butter issue. With their work and job being threatened by foreigners, they will fight back so vigorously that who knows what they will do. This Report is nothing except the view of a committee and it is not necessary being adopted. In the PAP dominated parliament, they do what they want to do, nothing can stop them or change them and opposition cannot even make an issue.
(quote)So I am with Gan Kim Yong on this issue. It’s very unlikely it’d be a political issue. Somehow, the government is taking seriously to certain aspects, and discovers a new thought necessary to approach the economy.(unquote)
There will be changes of course and we may see a drop of foreign workers from now till the general election. Once they survive this election unscarred things will be very different. They will say that though the recommendation of the ESC report is very comprehensive it does not relate to reality and there are other quarters who are against the report and things may not work out if we don’t continue to take in foreigners to do the job where Singaporean don’t want to do. The argument would be one of globalization, if we don’t give this MNC the people they need we will lose them and Singaporean are worst off. Of course all these crap are untrue but what can citizen do. A skillful manipulator like the gang of PAP will do what you think they cannot do. They can make profit into deficit if they choose to.
(quote)Think about it this way, do you believe that once ESC suggested this new direction, then you make noise to go the other direction in a month’s time, they will change the report next month?
Doesn’t make sense.(unquote)
Since you are produced from their school of thought of course you will think like them the PAP. Even if they kick you out, you are still the same because your mind is totally contaminated by their venom.
Why don’t you just sit on your fence and stop mumbling all nonsense. You have suddenly come off the fence screaming that PAP is changing. Sigh you are truly sick my friend, someone please purge out the venom that dwell inside of you. I know you hope to rejoin PAP.
CitizenOfSG,
Nosense. I cheat you $1000 or cheat you $100,000, do you mean there is any difference just because of some fucking numbers???
And besides, has PAP declared the exact date of the election??? So what do you mean by ‘prior to election’?
And besides, again, what have timing got to do with this???
Popular?
MM knows the property price chaos is even MORE unpopular. Yet both MM and PM weighed in for Mah Bow Tan. Who is Gan? He’s just a junior senior civil servant. In terms of ‘popular’, this is not make a solid sense to say they made the decision based on political pressures.
Come on~
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I am not saying this is not a bread and butter issue, but this is not the way you see as a policy. In fact, if they can comfortably allow in more foreign labors, as I have always said, why not? It doesn’t really change much.
As I have said, you can change the policy or even the gahmen… But does it mean Singaporeans will wanna be cleaners?
You are missing the point, seriously.
This ESC report… is indeed a view… but it’s a view cooked under the instruction of the PM and probably dated back since months back. This Mr Tharman will only get to chair THAT ESC once for that year, and do you expect to have all those ‘views’ being flirted and changed here and there after they submit to the PM?
I mean, are you driving at the right thing? So where is the political pressure here? I don’t see any. Besides, they are slowing down the influx, not totally saying they will STOP influx. You have got to get the details right. They will still welcome foreigners readily to fill your CEO positions.
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If they do say so that this report done by so many aspiring ministers after so long is just crap, it just means PM is slapping himself…
Yes. Mr Khaw could could turn ‘Mean Testing’ on and off.
However, a report is a report. It’s an official document for one ESC which has passed. They can still throw the doors open to the influx, however you must understand… unless we have concrete evidence or reasons to refute that this is done out of political pressures, I am not going say it’s due to political pressure.
And in my calculation, it’s more wise to side with Gan on this.
What can the people do? You can vote them out if you want to. Not my problem, is it??? I don’t control you nor them.
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I don’t think you really understand. I deem it fit to resign… actually, if you follow me online, you’d know this is part of the script. The only thing that hasten me to retire faster, is because I am very very YP is gonna get pumped hard going on Facebook.
And when Ser Luck was bringing in the police, I disappear as well.
I know what those chaps are thinking… I don’t think like them or else, I’d not be here. Or else, I won’t be here since for no less than 10 years.
You must understand one thing, I am not influenced by PAP. In fact, I am more prone to argue with even the MM if something is terribly wrong. Casino is not the only example. Even when those ministers are rallying for the blogosphere and such, even on this Nuclear issue… Many many months back, I have made my stance on the Nuclear thing.
How can I be thinking like them???
I may not be agreeing with the MM, but I make sure I reason things out. When they said what golden era, I was the one who laughed back then. I was also the one who argued about the crisis with Panter92, and all those assholes out there… who will never listen. Expectedly so.
To be a neutral is not just to accept craps from you or them. I am straight to the point, if you are right, you are right.
The reason why the oppositions can’t even move ahead without a rising tide is precisely they assume craps as marvelous piece of wisdom.
Do you really think that you guys are the only ones who made noises on the housing issues? Someday, you’d learn.
If Gan Kim Yong cannot be agreed with, I’d just point him out. But he is not wrong to claim that this decision on foreign labor is not based on political pressures. They even have valid considerations for the decisions.
Got it?
Just because it looks like a good credit doesn’t mean you can just snatch.
“…Even if they kick you out, you are still the same because your mind is totally contaminated by their venom…”
This is not only gonna make MM laughs… but is most defamatory. Actually, I am the ‘venom’. Which is, if they don’t change and accommodate to myself, I can always point left… I welcome people to go right.
I am not Ser Luck or Sear, don’t expect me to just roll over and die. Look, it is obvious that somebody higher up is deciding to ’slow influx’ or a reversal, and everyone is in a confusion trying to sing to same tune. The real political pressure, if any, comes from within PAP… not you people.
Observe, and think over.
@ Elfred
“Year after year, oppositions are making war cries… but from what I see, none of them are seriously interested to win. That goes for Chiam See Tong. They are not interested to deliver. In short, they are not interested to progress to a sufficient capability level. So…
It’s always easier to blame.”
What crap you spouting? Are you saying that people like Francis Seow and Tang Liang Hong are not serious?
Ah Seow,
So can those two seriously tell me how are they going to handle Singapore?
Are they capable of governing in the first place?
How will they make decisions on the Casinos so very differently than the rest of the laymen?
Seriously… who in Singapore has been serious in politics?
Tell me.
You wanna seriously stand up for the people, to govern Singapore into good shape, you must seriously be focused on your capabilities, be serious in your political conduct, be very serious in whom you associate with and such.
You must understand, yes… you can defeat PAP when people become very angry with them and decide to one and for all kick them out, then you can go after all those assets of those disposed lords in the name of delegalising legalised corruption…
But still…
You can’t govern, the people will not accept you. Francis Seow or Tang Liang Hong… come, tell me how they going to handle the people’s lives? You CANNOT expect the people to just vote any donkeys in just because they don’t like the PAP on the basis on perhaps they are useless and paying themselves useful money. The oppositions must stop at only trying to make the people angry with the incumbent and seriously think of how to level-up.
Look at Goh Meng Seng… He said he wanna pump Mah Bow Tan on the property chaos. Given that kinda calibre he’s got there, how is he going to do that? Can he do a better job than Mah so as to speak?
The people are not crazy. Yes, even if they are angry, before that boiling point, oppositions won’t get the votes. The game is set by the incumbent whereby they will be the one who will signal the people to vote for the oppositions, and the oppositions can only passively wait.
And even if they do replace the incumbent, as the MM said… Are you competent to handle national policies and contigencies and know what direction to go? If not, you’d be kicked out again.
Look at Ling How Doong, he got voted in… then he got kicked out for years. Is that wonderful? Is this what Tang Liang Hong wants? Just for a feel-good resume that he was once an MP… sleeping in the parliament?
If you are rich and you can’t handle governance, then contribute your money to make a better world by helping those who can govern. Then that’s serious. If you have money, and you are just as useless… Why do you want to be in parliament only to go down history as a shameless opportunist?
Think about it.
Using Alex Tan…
Yes. He’s very brave, very hot blooded, he wants PAP down but… Alex Tan, can you handle basic policies? Can you run the country? Can you make life for Elfred and lives for others any better? Or do you expect Elfred to vote you in just because you can’t do a better job than PAP?
Can you show the voters at least, that you are ready to run Singapore well. If not, who in the fuck will just vote for hot airs?
You can’t be opposing for the sake of opposing.
You must be able to handle the nation, then people will discard the PAP, and willing to take the risk to follow you.
Ah Siao, don’t be crazy. Precisely because the people are unhappy that shows that you’d need to have capabilities. If the people are happy, you will have no chance.
Politics is very pragmatic in Singapore.
You get a donkey in charge, we’d start to sink. And if you wanna replace the donkey, you’d need to be much better. Because people won’t choose you because they are unhappy, they choose you because they want to be happy when you can make them happy.
Can you seriously tell me Francis Seow and Tang Liang Hong can handle national decisions?
@ Elfred
“Can you seriously tell me Francis Seow and Tang Liang Hong can handle national decisions?”
Yes
A good indicator of whether the policy have changed is the price of those listed companies who are building low end condominiums. These companies are the first to be hit if ft are reduce. If their prices collapse means there are feedback that ft will be reduce. But at present the prices are holding up well meaning there is no change of policy just talk only.
To bro mon on WED:
this CHN PR Veteran must be a ghost writer from the current regime who might have spent some time mimicking the way China national speaks. Don’t lower yourself to argue with this pro-govt ghost writer!
It’s too late for MIWs to say anything now.
ST 28 Jan 2010, headline : Fewer foreign workers in five years, says MM
ST 3 Feb 2010, Mr Gan Kim Yong said “Maintaining the current balance at one-third (of the workforce) is probably a wise decision and the most sensible thing to do.”
He further said, “But in the next ten years, the aim is to maintain it at about one-third of the overall workforce.”
Current population of foreigners is 36% (one-third is 33.33%). What is going on? Whose statement counts?
@elfred – (quote)Nosense. I cheat you $1000 or cheat you $100,000, do you mean there is any difference just because of some fxxking numbers???(unquote)
If there is no different with the number, how about this, I change $1,000 with your $100,000. Of course they must all be Singapore Dollars.
(quote)MM knows the property price chaos is even MORE unpopular. Yet both MM and PM weighed in for Mah Bow Tan. Who is Gan? He’s just a junior senior civil servant. In terms of ‘popular’, this is not make a solid sense to say they made the decision based on political pressures.(unquote)
The root cause of spiraling property prices is the foreign influx with many becoming PR. You are totally out of touch of which is more unpopular. A poll by TR was taken and you seem to have missed the data.
(quote)As I have said, you can change the policy or even the gahmen… But does it mean Singaporeans will wanna be cleaners?(unquote)
There was a time when janitor was paid much higher than manager in the west, if you can do that in Singapore, many Singaporeans will not mind being a cleaner.
It seems that you are not much of a profound thinker and I don’t think you have what it take to get your son to be the next father of Singapore.
Well anyway as of now 96% of pollster says The big “shift” in PAP’s “Foreign Talent” policy is another pre-election ploy. You are a minority. LOL
Despite being paid OBSCENE amounts of money, NONE of the ministers have ever questioned the flawed foreign talent policy of the MM/PM, even though they have heard from so many Singaporeans who have suffered for so long.
I think we should BOOT OUT the ENTIRE CABINET in this coming election.
I believe they are trying to mislead Singaporeans.
When they say slowing the intake, it means they are going to take in fewer foreigners every year.
It does NOT mean that they are going to reduce the number of foreigners in Singapore.
The number of foreigners in Singapore is still set to rise.
So for example, if we took in 100,000 foreigners last year, we “slow the intake” by taking in 99,999 foreigners this year.
DON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN, SINGAPOREANS!!!
It is plain obvious that the recent decision to cut back on foreigners is politically motivated. MM has already mentioned that the people are not happy with the current situation. What does this tell you? Of course they can all say it is economically motivated but you must be really thick to believe this is the only reason. But it is obviously a good excuse.
The real question we have to ask is whether we will see a reduction in the number of foreigners. As I understand it, the “foreigners” they are talking about are those low skilled foreigners. These low skilled foreigners are doing jobs Singaporean typically avoid. What about those in executive positions? They also compete with Singaporeans, don’t they?
Raise productivity… notice they only refer to companies in business . What they failed to realise is breaucratic red tapes slowed productivity. Response time by Civil servant is wanting. take own sweet time devoid of urgency . they invent new & more ways to evaluate … Productivity my foot. – i say it the government department who needs to implement their own internal productivity. Revamp or replace their deadwood directors lying around in various departments.
Try calling them.. sick leaves.. on course.. on site inspection… home leave..sabatical leaves… telephone calls are NEVER answered.. They dont go hungry.. iron ricebowl.
Horay this PAP’s version of productivity – they point fingers at you.. except themselves.
It is scary to give PAP another 5 years. Once bitten twice shy, better throw our votes to alternative parties. It is safer to trust alternative parties now since PAP has provened a betrayal to Singapore and Singaporeans by what they have done. At least, we know alternative parties are standing along side with its fellow citizens.
Yo, piece of PAP shit, u ain’t gonna fool us with this cheap tricks.
Gan Kim Yong – it is too late now because Singapore is already FLOODED with Foreign Trash, we see these rubbish everywhere !!
So PAP will only slow the intake, that means they will continue to take in discard from 3rd world countries, and not stop ?
Singapore already sinking with the weight of the huge numbers of foreign trash, if we don’t remove them, Singapore will surely drown !!! Mayday ! Mayday ! ….
If PAP don’t listen to the voice of the citizens, maybe a new gahmen will.
So watch out PAP !! Power to the people !!!
To Elfred on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 9:03 pm :
What makes you think PAP has quality ??
They lost billions of our country’s reserves in two short years !! Wow, they must have set a world record for being the Dumbest gahment !!! LOL
What makes you think PAP has integrity ??
They paid themselves obscene salaries many times the salary of the US president to manage a country so small compared to US !!
What makes you think PAP is competent ??
When there is recession, they say Singapore economy depends on US recovery. So what the heck are we paying them for ? To sit on their fat butts and wait ??
A donkey can do better than all our PAP stooges !!!
CitizenOfSG,
Stop such pathethic die-die-must-win attitude of yours. It’d be back to square one, so what 10001 and 10000 and 1000 and 1001? Your perspective is lost. Are you bothered about what’s wrong, or are you trying to tell me that just because one number is smaller than the other is wrong and this one is right and such?
There is no difference in numbers whereby the nature is the same. Cheat means cheat, right means right, wrong means wrong. Don’t waste too much time trying to wiggle like that. You’d only lose respect.
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For the Nth time, so how does that tells you it’s political pressure for such new decisions?
You are trying to bring the entire encycropedia of ‘facts’ here, yes… you link everything up but you lose focus.
How am I out of touch? How can I be out of touch? My wife is a PR, we are also having issue with getting a home. And you are shooting away without staying focused. Is that how you wanna go on with this chat?
It’d lead to nowhere.
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You are like telling… “Oh, prostitutes are paid much higher than doing sales at Funan, there will be many girls becoming hookers…”
Yes. Many girls become hookers and make much more monies.
No, you are losing the whole point.
Why in the fuck should we be paying the skies for janitors or cleaners or construction workers when the bangla can work for peanuts? Why should Singaporeans be placed in such no-future jobs with HIGH salary?
Nosense.
If I pay MM Lee to clean my toilet for ten years and offer him S$5m a year, don’t you think he should switch career path to clean my toilet? I can throw in a medal or two and beautify his job title to make it more prestigeous…
If you increase pay for those construction workers, won’t you be eroding margins? Who is going to pay? You! The consumers! The taxpayers! Same goes for those laborers producing furnitures and such. How in the fuck is the same piece of wood becoming a same chair going to be export from Singapore and USA to Dubai when you raise salary way beyond that of the banglas? Cock brain also know USA will sell, we won’t.
Is that how you people see things?
Hahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahaha…
Frankly speaking, in your judgement only you are fit to be the great thinker. Hahahahahahahahaha…
Which is why I can employ 5 janitors to clean 5 toilets when you can employ only 1 janitor to clean 5 toilets…
Hahahahahahahahahahaha…
If that’s how you think so much of yourself, fine with me.
But I do wish I won’t need to be the New Father of Singapore… and some people can give a good life. But sadly speaking… if I don’t step in, once MM departs, that’s it.
New Father of Singapore is destined by heaven, not you. If Singapore must float, I’d be a New Father of Singapore. If Singapore must sink, I’d have migrated. Hehehe~
Ah Siao,
It’s nice to be supportive spiritually. But neither are you qualified to judge nor have they proved viable since you ain’t going to suggest WHY they can handle state affairs.
“Can Elfred become God?”
Yes.
This ‘Yes’… anyone can say.
And I said before, tell me ONE opposition candidate who can handle state matters, you can come here to convince me.
Look at CitizenOfSg… he’s telling you to clean toilets since he is kicking those managers away to pay gold to janitors instead…
“What’s you best skill…”
“I am good with shit, I see one I know one…”
“Wonderful, you’d be paid $5000 a month to deal with them…”
Instead of arguing nosensically, why don’t you just confess you got a problem, then at least you people can confront and solve the problem?
Damn. I can’t believe Ser Luck is cooked so easily by people with such standard…
I am not trying to attack Francis or Tang. The issue is simple, show me the calibre. Period.
If you can’t even convince me you can do it, you can’t do it. Once you take over Singapore, that’s it.
Yawnz… Gotta sleep, folks.
Your arguments about too many people are prejudiced.
The ones around are proven abject failures and you prefer to look past that.
THAT IS THE FLAW OF YOUR THESIS, unfortunately.
To mon on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 1:03 pm
“How come the govt is changing the inflow of immigrants via levy and not the approval process of the immigrants?”
That’s a good catch. My guess is, changing the approval process will more likely slow the inflow but it does not help the tax revenue
As a true pink Singaporean parent, my mind has long been made up, for the sake of my children
What I want is something like instead of papayas getting 82/84 seats.
Say papaya gets 50 & the rest of the opp combined gets 34.
I want the papayas to lose their 2/3 majority. I want SIngaporeans voices heard. I want a strong enough team to nip policys in the bud that screw local singaporeans.
To Elfred on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 9:03 pm,
You seem to think too highly of those Leaders, no? For me, I would choose anyone (or anything?) over MBT
Do you think all the policies (that “handles the people’s lives”) originated from them or from the civil servants working in the ministries?
I am not expecting the Leaders to be voted out all at once. It will take a little bit at a time, but we have to start somewhere or else there will be nothing left for my children (looking at how little is left for me, already, compared to say, my parents)
Hidden political agenda drives migration. How can they admit it when the failures is staring in the face of all Singaporeans and patently obvious to them.
How do PAP explains this political implosion if they admit it was all political – NOT economics?
The only face-saving route is to deny political and silence to cover the stench that IT WAS SOLELY POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED right from the beginning and it backfired badly.
The Economics Strategies Committee highlight two MAIN impediments to migration influx. They are
- physical limits
- social limits.
Social limits are the result of cultural mismatch and they are stretched as migration influx increased and increased at a recklessly impossible rate. These are ex-post consequences after the fact of massive influx.
Physical limit are a GIVEN AND IMMOVABLE (except by some very limited reclamation possibility left) constraints and nearly impossible of stretching to accomodation. Infrastructures of roads and single-line MRT are fixed even as late as North East Line was constructed post 2000.
SO WHAT EXPLANATION OR EXPLANATIONS ARE THERE, GIVEN IMMOVABLE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, TO ATTEMPT TO ADD SO RAPIDLY TO POPULATION IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND ACCOMODATE MORE SO TO 6.5 MILLION other than
HIDDEN POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS????
Any bright spark or sparks in Singapore can provide me with a “slightly better than MORONIC” REASON OR REASONS????
I am all ears!!!
Dear jolly, you wrote that:
“gan kim yong is just a poodle . when the master say sit , he better sit. he is indecisive and incompetent in his work, very similar to his colleagues.”
It is jolly good for gan kim yong that you called him just a poodle. Because that is what the present law minister shanmugam called Richard Yong of the NKF “during’ his trial. Sure takes another poodle to call another poodle in name calling right!!! Thanks for starting this forum in this way!!!
You want:
“I want the papayas to lose their 2/3 majority. I want SIngaporeans voices heard.”
But that will scare the daylights completely out of loong! As he even feared at the last GE for just 14-15 Oppo in Parliament!!! Was as he told us then about having to be so busy thinking how to “fix them” haw!!! So how to handle some 20 more??? Even his more GungHo apapa has been afraid too somewhat or not leh!!! It’ll total colapse for them then having all the say so long, won’t they have lost their ability to rebut. THAT IS their greatest FEAR. IN short “The absolute FEAR of CONTEST!!! Why else their need for GRC hah!!!
(quote)Stop such pathetic die-die-must-win attitude of yours. It’d be back to square one, so what 10001 and 10000 and 1000 and 1001? Your perspective is lost. Are you bothered about what’s wrong, or are you trying to tell me that just because one number is smaller than the other is wrong and this one is right and such?(unquote)
The pathetic one is Elfred who trys to confuse and change figure out of proportion kind. I don’t need to win. You can win and I lose but still I have the right to comment on the rubbish you extrude.
(quote)There is no difference in numbers whereby the nature is the same. Cheat means cheat, right means right, wrong means wrong. Don’t waste too much time trying to wiggle like that. You’d only lose respect.(unquote)
If a person cheat to save you from the fire and someone that cheat you into the fire is totally not the same. Even right has more than one set of meaning, it can mean direction or virtue. Please don’t get me wrong, I am only truly trying to talk calmly to help everyone to see the light.
(quote)Why in the fxxk should we be paying the skies for janitors or cleaners or construction workers when the bangla can work for peanuts? Why should Singaporeans be placed in such no-future jobs with HIGH salary?
Nosense.
If I pay MM Lee to clean my toilet for ten years and offer him S$5m a year, don’t you think he should switch career path to clean my toilet? I can throw in a medal or two and beautify his job title to make it more prestigeous…
If you increase pay for those construction workers, won’t you be eroding margins? Who is going to pay? You! The consumers! The taxpayers! Same goes for those laborers producing furnitures and such. How in the fuck is the same piece of wood becoming a same chair going to be export from Singapore and USA to Dubai when you raise salary way beyond that of the banglas? Cock brain also know USA will sell, we won’t.
Is that how you people see things?(unquote)
Elfred Elfred, just don’t be someone in a one track mind. You are born in an old school I believe with little understanding of productivities. It is really time for you to retire and forget about you new father of Singapore.
Currently with only six hundred and fifty dollars a month as a cleaner competing with foreigners of course Singaporean don’t want to work. With that kind of salary, you can’t have a roof over your head, pay your monthly HDB installment and at the same time send your children to school. A Bengali works only for seventy dollars when they are back home in India or Bangladesh, six hundred and fifty dollars is many times his pay. In Singapore these Bengali also get free lodging to stay. End of the month they can send so much money home, his family can build a house in India and live happily.
Why must we pay our own people a salary they can survive? The reason is they are Singaporean and we don’t want them to die. You and your PAP equal in mentality, you die your business is getting into wrath of everyone.
Do you give birth to your son then snatch his food away from him and give to other kids? How can you simply survive on your brain and not your heart Elfred?
How can we ever pay a cleaner more? Productivity Elfred is an answer of the day. Difficult to reach such a high ideal, yes that is true, but it is for government to do difficult things and not simple things since they are paid high salary. Productivity can be achieved in many ways, we must try one step at a time. If we don’t start trying we will never reach a stage where we can stop relying on foreign workers completely. Moreover the Bengali may one day find they can earn more in India and abandon us. Thereafter we still need someone to clean our toilet and whats not.
Let me quote an example just for discussion sake, please don’t be angry for Christ’s sake, we are not enemy even if you are PAP. The following is two cents on productivity.
Food court owner contracts cleaning company for ten foreign workers to work in the food court. Each of these worker was charged $1,200 by the cleaning company. After upgrading his food court, he doesn’t need this cleaning company anymore. He need not pay this cleaning company twelve thousand dollars every month anymore. Below you will see why:-
The job of cleaners are to collect plates and wash them after use. Mr X is a twenty first century business man, who believes in productivity, so he purchase automatic machineries. He has a raised platform made of special material that can be cleaned easily with his sweeping robot that would spin, wash and clean at the end of the day. Beneath the raised platform there is a conveyor belt that bring plates and rubbish to be separated with his separating machine that tell the plate to go one way, the waste food the other.
Consumer must co operate, a new rules set by government of the day, they are to dispose their plate and drinks into a a special disposal and it will be conveyed via underneath the raised platform to be transported, separated and cleaned with a cleaning machines and dispose in a special disposal.
Should the consumer failed to do so, a robot will approach him to teach him civilities. In view of sometime people are such a nuisance MR. Robot will help to do the cleaning by disposing the food into the special disposal bin to keep the place clean.
Mr. productivity employer has many gadgets here and there to keep the place clean without employing Bengali. He employs a highly paid cleaning technician maybe about six thousand dollars that make sure the gadgets he deploys never fail. At the end of the day he saves six thousand dollars where he used it to pay installment for his gadget and machineries from a loan he gets from the government.
Elfred my dear friend, don’t think about reputation and your face, just think how we can help and save Singapore. She is over beloved. Don’t run away when she is in trouble by migrating but stay on to fight the day. I might be dumb to do so in your PAP type of mind, but I do really loves this land of mine, it is my Singapore.
CitizenOfSG,
One man’s junk is another man’s treasure. Since you suppose I am offering rubbish… just remember, that at least help keep your ‘manager-pay’ janitor on the job. Hahahahahahahaha…
The focus here has been what?
You have lost focus, My dear CitizenOfSG. Your arguments are going haywire, and you are assuming too much on myself which ain’t valid.
The point is, all in all, you still haven’t consolidated your stance. And if you were to stand for election, alot of angry people with PAP will certainly gather to listen to you… But if you can’t even stay focused and address the issue directly, you’d have a trouble with even the most unpopular MP you are confronting.
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Now you are telling me that the janitor’s pay is too low, and not paying a manager’s pay to janitor. Yes… With $650, you can’t really afford a home comfortably, you say this I’d agree with you. But the issue is not really the pay to the work, it’s really that people such as Ng who has just died prefered to build homes more costly and many are fans of such rich people. Then such people come and tell us, the pay for janitor are not enough.
By the way, may I ask hence… Are you complaining the pay part or the cost part? You should be complaining on the cost part with such regards.
Now, just because $650 is very low pay doesn’t mean Singaporeans should going after the shits and urine with (say) $2000.
The gahmen yearly has one of the biggest (if not the biggest already) budget on education alone so that the people can go and clean toilets… …
So that the people can go and be construction workers?
You get this part?
I understand what are your concerns, as the government’s. Productivity… Neither you nor the gahmen understand this concern here. You can give me one thousand examples, but lemme ask you a simple question… Now in order to justify higher pay, by the current thinking, you do more. Assuming you are right, $650 is not enough. A bangla cleans X toilets from day to night for $650, so in order to raise this salary, you expect Singaporeans to clean 2X of toilets to get $1300, and 3X of toilets for $1950…
This is a joke, understand.
If I am not wrong you are talking about getting a robot in that example???
And those cleaners’ salary goes to $0. So we don’t need foreign workers, but so Singaporeans won’t have the job as well. What am I supposed to be angry of? You are talking nosense.
You said the key to Singaporean labor is productivity when we are arguing about foreign labors robbing our jobs. Now you are telling me, let robots rob Singaporeans’ job. Then the next day, Singaporeans will condemn Robots… instead of Foreign labors… Hahahahahahahahahaha…
You have to understand the point about productivity in solving the people career’s issue. And if you trying to convince Singaporeans who are angry with foreign labors snatching their jobs… which you were on such stance before, bringing in a robot to illustrate won’t appease anger.
The point is, as you have helped me to prove, is that should Singaporeans not angry with such conveyors and robot to replace banglas, that means THEY DON’T WANT those job anyway.
Productivity is ONLY one small component in the dealing with this whole labor issue. Actually this issue is outright clear-cut and simple. But it comes to you people, it becomes a big complicated holocaust.
This is something that I’d deal with when I become a minister. Then you’d realise how SIMPLE actually this issue is.
Yes, he doesn’t need cleaning company anymore… So the boss of the cleaning company goes jobless. And he cannot even supply cleaners overseas to make foreign reserves for Singapore because when most of the world still use cleaners, you use robots… and this boss has no basis of growing and expanding his operation overseas…
Do you get the picture?
What face are you talking about? I have been watching the gahmen strangling itself over petty and simple issues, I have been watching you guys making strange noises as if you really have the ’solution’. But none of you make sense.
This is disasterous. As I have said many years back, you people’s ’solution’ will have the nature of filling one hole while digging another… Never-ending holes.
In such a case, if I don’t get to assist the PM I’d have to run away while he or she is messing up the place and the smart-alec oppositions will kick him or her out and continue messing up the place. So why should I stay?
You look at the way you tried to wiggle through arguments… If I am not that patient, I won’t even bother with your labor thinking which still makes a begging at ‘Is Gan right that there were no political pressure?’.
Fear not, this place is going into a mess.
If not for the sake of becoming a Father of Singapore down history, I really don’t see why I should take of people MM called daft.
Look, I am NOT the one calling you people daft. MM is. So…
But can you people prove to him that you are not that ‘daft’?
Yes. Precisely because some many Singaporeans have died and suffered due to poverty, they will need real leaders who can help them. You are raising valid concerns, but… come on… admit it, you have a problem.
For now, I am inclined to let the gahmen go ahead and bang into the walls. When I look at policies, once they go that way I know whether they got the issues right. I must confess, I don’t think the gahmen even understand the issues and they ain’t really addressing it.
So… will your conveyor (belts) and gadgets and robot help feed Singaporeans, and not just feeding that food court? Think about it.
And now, the gahmen is prepared to ‘let go of unproductive companies’ or make them relocate overseas… Hahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Can you force donkeys to fly? If you can, then of course you can force companies to be more productive in such manner. What cannot be control shouldn’t be controlled.
Many years back, they tried to produce what lawyers then what IT people to meet demands… Then we have a huge surplus… which means massive career-stuck.
Face or no face, CitizenOfSG, certain things are not decided by die-die-must-win attitude.
I can tell you right in your face, you ain’t addressing anything. You ain’t even proved your stance on whether it is indeed due to politcal pressure against Gan. So how can I support you???
You are just wasting my time.
In order to win people over in solid fashion, you must have 真材实料. Look at all those angry people slighting the gahmen now… They may vote for the oppositions, but in the end, only the one who can clean up the mess will stay and become the New Father of Singapore.
Which happens to be me…
Singaporean Parent,
Like I said… if you were to kick the gahmen out, fine. But do you have the replacement to take over them? There are indeed people who can replace them… But are you sure those with calibre to handle state matters are now in the Oppositions and will be in charge thereafter?
The issue is very simple. Even MM has said before. You can’t govern properly, people will kick you out. If you can’t even explain your own policies, then you be kicked out as well. Given the current state of the oppositions, the oppositions can only be passively waiting, because I have said it before… it’s the gahmen who will be signalling for people to kick it out not you or me.
So…
You can kick them out one by one, you can kick them out LDP-style which is all at once… but basically, if you cannot govern, you’d be kicked asap. Because this is no longer honeymoon years for PAP and especially not for the next incumbent.
And the people of Singapore ain’t stupid. They won’t just vote in oppositions just to let them have a feel-good resume of being an MP.
Ask the dead who have committed suicides and being murdered for money matters. They don’t need oppositions, they need people who could have given them a much much better life each.
Public anger could send Obama up, but you can see from American Idol Barrack Obama. He can’t govern properly, he’s failing. He is now on the way to be kicked out, because the American honeymoon years are over.
It’s a shame…
Face it. If you are seriously inclined to take over PAP… Why not? But which opposition has been serious before? During the lull years, who actually cares about raising capabilities?
Look at CitizenOfSG’s exchanges with me…
Nobody… Nobody ever cares. It’s just attack attack attack, police police police. Then this MM has his heart attacks and people die and die and die… And some people have the face to come and tell me: We wanna help the people!
They can’t, and they tell me they wanna help the people… You think that I am crazy to listen to them?
Don’t worry, situation shalt decide. I am more interested in how the Old Father of Singapore would move in such a situation. It’s a very wonderful chance as we are witnessing a very interesting point in history of Singapore.
To Elfred on Thu, 4th Feb 2010 12:45 pm,
“Like I said… if you were to kick the gahmen out, fine. But do you have the replacement to take over them? There are indeed people who can replace them… But are you sure those with calibre to handle state matters are now in the Oppositions and will be in charge thereafter?”
Woh… kick out PAP and Singapore is doomed… sure sounds like scare tactic to me, no?
But wait. Didn’t I said I would like to take a small step at a time? Let us re-cap:
“I am not expecting the Leaders to be voted out all at once. It will take a little bit at a time, but we have to start somewhere or else there will be nothing left for my children (looking at how little is left for me, already, compared to say, my parents)”
I was told competition will encourage improvement. So can we weed out some of the under-performing Leaders, and replace them with some fresh ones? That should encourage competition, and likely we will get a few stronger (and hopefully with leadership, compassion, courage, etc) ones left
- Of course we cannot weed out all the under-performing ones at one go, because that would mean to change all of them. If that happen, then like you’d said, Singapore will be doomed. Doom, doom, doom
- About the replacing process, with millions in pay and zero accountability, I doubt anyone in that situation would bother to self-regulate / self-renew / whatever-you-name-it. So the true pink Singaporean will have to do it ourselves, one step at a time
- Even if a few ministars are replaced, I seriously doubt Singapore will go down the drain, because the people that run the ministries are still around (I repeat, “Do you think all the policies (that “handles the people’s lives”) originated from them or from the civil servants working in the ministries?”)
The longer we wait the less likely it will become, and if it happens, it will be exponentially more painful
if you read the method used by the ESC:
it is again, set up this fund, that fund to solve the productivity problem.
Remember Tony Tan not long ago, claimed to set up a fund to train media professional and advertising professionals.
What came out of it?
Nothing.
Singapore Parent,
Political choice of leaders ain’t not like beauty pagents or choosing banglas.
You can kick them out slowly, you can kick them out all at once, but the point is still… better life comes only with god-sent talents.
With the current state of oppositions… which prefer more to arguing and arguing in a bush but refuse to confront issues of their own, progress is deprived, and how can they be serious in helping the people in place of PAP?
Then and again, why should I resort to scare tactics when I have retired from YP? Hahahahahahahaha…
Doesn’t make sense WILL NEVER make sense.
I have no intention of offending, but it’s straight to the point, oppositions can only passively wait for the incumbent to give up power.
But still, once the oppositions take over, they will lose power… If oppositions are more interested in arguing round the bush instead of really convincing us of their capabilities, what’s the difference between them and their complains that PAP is bad and refuse to repent?
At least when MM is around, those reserves won’t be anyohow depleted, and we still have someone to handle contingencies. Frankly speaking, I don’t care (as the MM made himself obvious) whether oppositions can take over slowly or overnight.
Again and again, the oppositions have no capabilities of running Singapore, and if all they will like to do is to just go on a smearing campaign and insist they good while refusing to confront their weaknesses, without progress, power will still flow to the those who can clean up the mess…
Which is, into our hands.
Which is why I have welcomed all the sharks and contenders… if you can think you can do the job, go ahead. I want those people to convince the public… basically that they are indeed useless. Then we’d walk in and start the destined job.
By the time the next PM comes about, he or she’d be enjoying a very messed-up inheritance… If the next PM has the potential, I don’t mind step in. If the next PM can’t make it, situation will go chaotic beyond control. Oppositions will fight for powers, then fight among themselves for powers after they took revenge on the Lees by sacking their homes for assets…
It doesn’t matter whether the policies come from where. What works will always work, what don’t will never work.
It’s a choice. To stay in power, or to be kicked out.
It is obvious that there are indeed talents who can handle state matters very well, and are neither in the incumbent nor the oppositions.
If the oppositions chose to be weak, you will never attract such aces. And when subsequently… it just means that in the end, Singapore would be neither be with the PAP or with the current oppositions. In order to struggle for survival, as with the fight against colonial masters and those communists… the People will once again repeat the history of the rise of the next Father of Singapore.
You are as if assuming that I speak from the PAP’s. Even when I was a YP, political honor is important to myself. I maintain a strict neutral moderate position, despite being bashed, being terminated from teaching, and so on. This sort of happening only suggest the fate of PAP to come.
So I am not really angry with the party because… all through history, such things happen. And I am learnt person, not a scholar but a thinker.
You’d have to convince yourself to embrace the greater stint, or to remain in your small sphere of restricted thinking.
Singapore is really too small for all those bashings and party politics. And when nobody even know how to handle small issues, it’d be just fight fight fight till the very end… when the mess matures to ridiculous height, and the boat sinks with many casualties.
Politics is neither anyohow can replace since God may not have a replacement sent, nor anyo-time got credit or opportunity just grab…
When the time comes, when the need be, the right people must enter to embrace power… then only can Singaporeans see the light and a future.
Right now, I am more than prepared to see the car goes crushing… If the car is not meant to be crushed, then the gods would send them aid.
Entering politics or toppling regimes ain’t simple straight forward issues. Political leaders are not cabbages in wet market where this one is rotten you can choose another vegetable…
If you don’t treat politics seriously, who will treat you seriously?
To Elfred on Thu, 4th Feb 2010 4:02 pm,
“If oppositions are more interested in arguing round the bush instead of really convincing us of their capabilities, what’s the difference between them and their complains that PAP is bad and refuse to repent?
…
Political leaders are not cabbages in wet market where this one is rotten you can choose another vegetable…”
So both Leaders and Oppositions are bad and there is nothing to choose between them?
Let’s see:
- Most if not all Leaders have under-perform, and not just because of their $M dollar annual salary
- Leaders are given many chances over the decades, but not sure if anyone still have the hallucination of the Leaders ever think and act in Singaporeans’ interests
- Oppositions are (really quite) good at shouting slogans and being a nuisance to others
- Not sure if they can think and act in Singaporean’s interests, mostly because they have not had the chance yet. But hey, at least they have not disappointed me so far
Yup. You are correct. Both are bad, in their ways
But for the past few years, my #1 wish is to vote in people who can feel my frustrations and raise my concerns in parliament
So my choice is clear. What about yours?
Here shall we agree to disagree and go our separate ways (to choose whichever bad cabbage we like)?
@Elfred –
Cool it Elfred, your face is so red and fuming, anything said can really made you angry even if what said is direct reply to what you said.
If I make you angry, I am so sorry.
You claim that nobody can govern and only PAP can govern, of course I disagree. Sorry even if I make you angry I will still make you angry. That is absolute rubbish.
Productivity is not about one bionic man doing multi task and only Elfred think like that only. It is a project of a unit work too complex even PAP don’t know what to do.
Using robot can easily be control just like our car quota. Human is a little tricky when you come up with such quota. If you don’t let in PRC, Chinese government get angry and they call up PAP, then no choice we got to let in PRC. HAHA.
If we can start achieving higher productivities with super machineries we can export our expertise and grow our economy bigger. Something Elfred of the old school don’t know.
Not that our citizen don’t know there are too much work for us alone to handle. However the answer by letting in too many foreigners cause a lot of social problem. One of them is lack of facilities and houses. A fuming Elfred will probably look elsewhere and pretend he don’t know.
Of course I already replied you time and time again. The poll of 96% of people in TR is enough to support my theory that the shift of foreign policy is indeed a ploy. Agree or disagree the proof is there for all to see. Angry Elfred you are still a minority.
Don’t do evil to achieve your objective my dear Elfred, cause Kong Ming died early because he set fire to kill a valley of people. Try to love your own people and be nice to your people and stop behaving like PAP whose motto is “you die your business”. To me our people must not die unnecessary and definitely not for the reason of going hungry. We are first world economy.
Sorry again for making you angry. Unfortunately it is most necessary.
CitizenOfSG,
I never claimed ONLY PAP can govern. And I am not angry.
Understand how long have I been online. If I am angry with every line of nosense, I’d be already become Mount Fuji. Hahahahahahahahahahaha…
As for the rest, not important to reply.
Minority? Hahahahahahahahahahaha…
Governors are usually the minority as well.
Singapore Parent,
I am also frustrated. To element as myself, lower level of governance cannot be masked away from our eyes. I know things are going wrong, I have to ‘tolerate’ the insistance to go the wrong way UNDER MY NOSE.
So what you vote in more MPs to speak for your frustrations? None of them know what to do, then you still die. You see Eunice Olsen in there… she has two whole terms to speak your frustrations.
So what? People died. People gone homeless. People enraged by MPS. Then they are forced to go crazy and poor ex-comrade Seng kena-ed twice… And Sear who should have learnt how to handle the people at MPS go and attacked Alex Tan. Now Ser Luck is telling people there is plus to be beautiful in local politics…
Is this Italy???
The MM warned not to be complacent. It’s obviously falling on deaf ears.
I say, let the car crushes completely. Voting in Chiam is good, but he will never do more damage from those loyalists such Durai and Ming Yi and all those scoundrels promoted all those years… And PM knows very well now that he’s in trouble. Or stuck.
Too impatient… will not get you anywhere.
Can you persuade that CitizenOfSG not speculate anyohow? ie. in case I fall him a waste of time to reply as that silly Panter92.
I have said, this PM has made his choice… of the path he wants to take. I am hoping the oppositions let him proceed on. The longer this drag, the more death and sufferings.
Even MM can’t stop the path PM has taken, or Obama has chosen for himself.
If you seriously want to have a better life… be patient. The biggest damages incured on this PM and his regime come from obviously his choices and his inheritance. Not you noise-makers.
They will have to make the choice themselves, to lose power or to remain in power. If they choose to stay in power, they will have to have that capability. If not, they can party the way LDP did, and be kicked out.
One Durai did more than what that Dr Chee can do for 2 decades… One Occupation was enough to make the population stirred against the colonial masters.
Oppositions should just take their time and spot the talents, and don’t try to be what they are not capable of. The action damages will come from the PM himself. You just left Obama to deal with USA… and you can see that without making noises here and with all the fans here, he’s losing it.
So what’s the difference?
The ONLY reason why there is good governance and you have a better world is ONLY because you have that kinda leader/s. Period. There is no such thing as I am frustrated, so I anyohow kick…
Taiwanese kick KMT, and they had Chen Shui Bian…
I am not saying you must agree with me but… I personally decide to just sit back and watch all these like a show. Right now, I haven’t really seen anyone proper for replacement yet. I don’t even know if the next PM has a potential to turn things around and offer my assistance.
If this is really the time to charge… why do you think Elfred is still talking cock with you here? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Take my lead. Just sit back and enjoy the show. It’s not the time to talk about PAP good or opposition bad.
Do you know what about politics? Hahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Interestingly where you may not want to confront this, but my political movement will determine the future of Singapore’s outcome.
If I keep quiet, people better keep quiet. If I move out, something must have happened or is going to happen. If I stand still a bullet may be coming… If I point left and you head right… Then it’s not really my problem.
5 more years…
5 more years and there is high chance that the path is clear for all of us. Can’t you even wait for 5 years (one term)??? Hahahahahahahahaha… I am willing to give Panter92 5 for years, only because it is the course of event.
I suggest you be like myself, sit back and just watch meanwhile. Remember, the election after this coming one has a 99.9% that GRC can be taken… What after this, I do not need to say anymore. It’s not for the laymen.
All I can say is… a big fight is coming, big time is coming. After MM departs… the mamouth hunt shalt begin. Then eventually, the New Fathers will emerge. Before then… all these are just small fights petty brawls…
I can’t really be bothered except for monitoring the whole mess of which I have to clean up later. I don’t think MM expects anyone else to be able to do the job… If you think Francis Seow or Tang Liang Hong can, go ahead.
Just remember, Singapore is not just about domestic affairs… Hahahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahahaha…
If you don’t understand, let the future do the explanation.
@Elfred, I se you as an “incrementalist” – taking “baby steps” while attempting to work out a crisis situation. It is TOO BEAUTIFUL A PLACE TO PONDER THINKING THE STATUS QUO WILL HOLD giving you the luxury of time to procastinate whether you are in as part of the solution or let it sink.
In crisis situation, the adversity deteriorates faster than you think or aware and contingencies evolving will drown you before you awake from your mind sleep of baby-step thinking.
In crisis, you discard what is NOT WORKING and take BIG BOLD imaginative step to strike out in new direction – LEAVING THE CRISIS BEHIND YOU. What works in the corporate world (also is embedded politics) works the same in the political world. Apple came back from the brink as much as IBM was.
Singapore Parent is ABSOLUTELY right. In my mind, in crisis, YOU MUST CHANGE THE CEO (aka the Government) and some non-performing managers. A CEO is only as good as the men or women surrounding him/her – some good and some bad. UNFORTUNATELY THE GOOD ONES ALREADY DISAPPEARED in the crisis – they desert what they see as sinking ship. What is left at the helm is incompetent CEO supported by MORE INCOMPETENT than competent ones. AND THAT IS WHY THE CRISIS is persisting.
AND IF YOU DON’T CHANGE THE CEO, there is NO shakeout beneath the CEO and the corporate just lumbered and stumble from one crisis to another while shareholders stares at death of their investment nearer and nearer in the face as time passes.
Government is slightly different. The “Policy makers” (Government) are NOT the “Policy Implementers” ( top public servants). Policy makers are driven by politics – their mind is politics override and even drives the economy. BUT FOR SINGAPORE, that imperatives has sunk deep roots. Look at LUP, even MND came out to support Government when the legislation says Town Council, not grassroot manage LUP. Look at the state of the judiciary. Look at the media. THIS COUNTRY IS ROTTING IN ITS CORE and denying.
If you want to save this country, YOU MUST DRIVE OUT THE CEO. There is no decision alternative on this one. OUT THEY GO, so that fresh ideas can germinates and take root. If the CEO stays on – NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN EXCEPT THE COSMETIC AND SUPERFICIAL. You see that right before your eyes EVEN RIGHT NOW. The economic restructuring is pretended of achievement just by the presentation of a 46-page document and going nuclear???
If you get out of your little well and been to public libraries. I been to Australia and dig out some interesting read while I was there. REFORMING THAT CORPORATE LAW is a revision of thousands of pages in mutliple volume – this is how comprehensive and intense the reform is. Reforming their industries ( NOT economy) in the 1970s is the GREEN PAPER for the manufacturing industry is 4 to 5 volume of detailed analysis, policy evaluations and final recommendation with massive public consultation and private sector participation and input. Our ESC is “accepted” by the Government even before Parliamentary debate. Hahahaha. IT IS POLITICAL NEGOTIATION, not policy reform driven by economic imperatives.
In other words, IT IS STILL POLITICS DRIVING ECONOMICS INSTEAD OF ECONOMICS DRIVING POLITICS, HOW CAN ECONOMIC RESTRUCTURING WORK IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE CONTINGENCIES OF SUCCESS OR FAILURES IS GLOBALLY AND EXTERNALLY DRIVEN – not by the political preferences of the political incumbent.
It is starkly obvious that politics rule when they suggested nuclear option. That to me is a giveway sign of ANOTHER FAILURE AND DISASTER AWAITING – exactly like their massive migration influx WHEN THE KNOW OF ‘PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL LIMITS’ constraining. That migration decision was a political decision – NOT economic consideration nor social sustainability. Going nuclear? Pretty insane. Canada and Australia are big uranium producers. Australia refused the nuclear option. Canada has now did the 360 degree turn – to non-nuclear option when nuclear energy is a very large part of its energy source. No metals is MORE POLTICISED THAN URANIUM – the supply is uncertain and post Sichuan and 2004 tsunami – the costs of safety consideration and technology has driven nuclear energy beyond construction and operating affordability for Canadians. WE ARE GOING INTO NUCLEAR WHERE OTHERS HAVE TESTED AND FAILED???? We are going into pharmaceuticals when the industry is shrinking?? TOO MANY DUMB DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH CASUAL POLTICAL CONSIDERATION – THE CATERPILLAR MENTALITY RULED TO DOOM USTO FAILURE.
And you want the see way forward? Elfred. Your strategic thinking is “today” of seeing whether things will work or will not work before you partake. The strategic consideration for this naion is NOT BABY STEP, but CUT OUT ALL FAILURES AND NON-PERFORMERS.
The top public servants will hold this place while new policies OF FRESH BLOOD will be given the chance to work out. Singapore Parent is RIGHT!!!! WE NEED GIANT STEPS.
Elfred
Just look at the corporate and political world for realities.
Steve Job was driven out in boardroom fight despite the fact he was the founder and the largest shareholder of Apple. The mob that rule stumbled so badly nearly driven Apple into corporate dustbin the way Digital Equipment Corporation was. Shareholders clamoured his return and Apple not only survived but prospered marvelously in the wake of Steve Jobs’s return and sweeping out the entire incompetent board.
Look at the absolute mess Britain was in – 3 days work week, power cuts, striking coal miners, postal workers and the famous “winter of discontent”. Well Britain lurched from one crisis to another and Margaret Thatcher, whose previous portfolio was only an Education Minister. of no outstanding track record of achievement, took over the helm. A complete mindset and giant steps into the unknown – the result was a re-vitalised British economy.
Look at British Airways, sickly airline, then came a new CEO – fresh ideas and big steps and for a long time was among the most profitably airline alongside SIA.
When Mick Davies took over the helm at Glencore’s restructuring, he turned a corporate with a negative book value of US$50 million and in less than 5 years turn Xstrata into a mining giant with a market capitalisation of over US$40 BILLION ( yes BILLIONS) at its peak of 2007 by a string of aggressive acquisitions on debt borrowings.
Fearing opposition, non performing and Singapore will sink if PAP leaves.??? Niave thinking I would say, did Hougang and Potong Pasir town councils became bankrupt with opposition party incumbent leading them?? You see that before your eyes. This is just scare mongering by the incumbent to frighten voters. It works for some and it DID NOT WORK FOR THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS OF BOTH OPPOSITION WARDS.
The world of Singapore is NOT going to drown without the PAP. It will definitely DROWN with the PAP in the charge. THEY GOT A LOT OF BIG MACRO AND STRATEGIC DECISIONS WRONG – that is why we are in a ABSOLUTE MESS now.
To get out of this ABSOLUTE MESS faster, we need RADICAL BIG BOLD STEPS OF CHANGE AND POLITICAL MINDSET CHANGE IS THE FIRST STEP.
Do you really have the luxury of time and procastination in bewildering loss of direction as of now, Elfred sincerely????
Can anybody tell me if there has been a report released on the performance of the last 5 years? Some sort of report card where the achievements or lack-of-achievements were compared to the goals or promises set at the last GE?
I think it is important for the govt to evaluate where are the strengths and failures of the last 5 years versus the plans before it comes out with another 5 year plan.
To Elfred on Fri, 5th Feb 2010 2:02 am,
Well, like I’d said, let’s agree to disagree
You can choose to wait out the “crash” (if you survive it) and I can choose to change course (influence it in my own capacity)
My reasoning is simple (as a parent), I see diminishing hope the longer we wait, for me and my children. I have been sitting on the fence for much longer than I should and what did I get (or rather NOT get)? So in my simple mind, if I foresee the car is gonna crash, I would rather change course (vote in some unknowns) and hope that it will steer my family out of harm’s way
Maybe you have been waiting just as long, and got a fair piece of the pie so far. So by choosing to wait further (voting in the same bunch of Leaders) you may expect to continue getting the better end of the deal. A lot of folks I know think in this way as well, but their numbers are getting smaller because more people are getting disappointed and impatient every passing moment
(Let me repeat) like I’d said, let’s agree to disagree. That’s your choice. Really
To anonymous on Fri, 5th Feb 2010 8:29 am and anonymous on Fri, 5th Feb 2010 9:02 am,
I am not sure if it’s safer to take smaller or bigger steps, but change we must
With the current bunch of Leaders, I only have too much disappointment and nothing to look forward to, for me and my children. If changes bring about (temporary) pain then so be it. At least let me suffer now, and hopefully it will be better (than now) when my children’s time comes
Singaporean Parent on Fri, 5th Feb 2010 10:48 am
Thank you for rejoinder.
I see a lot of successful businessmen and businesses – they got a COMMON THREAD IN THEM – they thrives in BOTH ADVERSITY and in sunny days BUT MORE SO IN ADVERSITY.
Those who wait in adversity has MUCH HIGHER PROSPECT OF DROWNED BY ADVERSITY due to inaction. Fear of unknown immobilise them – they missed opportunities inherent in the chaos and often got swept out by the tide of turmoil to death and destruction.
@ Singaporean Parent on Fri, 5th Feb 2010 10:41 am
” You can choose to wait out the “crash” (if you survive it) and I can choose to change course (influence it in my own capacity…”
That is why I agree with you on this point of yours.
Like any legal practitioner will tell you – LAW IS FOR THE LIVING, NOT FOR THE DEAD.
So you choose your destiny or let destiny choose you or let your die in drowning.
I CHOOSE MY DESTINY AND RESHAPE MY LIFE IN CRISIS just lke business that survive crisis and hopefully prosper after that.
I WOULD NEVER WAIT FOR THE CRASH TO DESTROY ME.
To Clueless on Fri, 5th Feb 2010 9:30 am,
Agree. It would be an interesting report card. Although it will only remind me of how naïve I had been so many years ago (by comparing how much pre-election sweetener I was given vs how much I have lost since then), but at least it will help to firm up my decision
Can anyone just create a new topic, or only TR admin can?
We may also like to start something to discuss about likely / potential Opposition candidates
To all,
Many people are suffering, great brains are in place, bullshits happening, if it were to be indeed ‘diminishing hope the longer we wait’ you are not the only ones who is facing this. I am facing this situation.
Oppositions are facing this situation.
But so is the incumbent.
So is the great MM who has survive the nosense of Occupation to the nosense of colonial return and the nosense of now.
We are all facing the same thing.
Many veterans in the party, old MPs and many many retired grassroot leaders who have fought the Barisan Socialis… They are aware of this situation. This one I can confirm.
But everytime people want to push ahead and do something, I say ‘hang on’.
Look at Dr Chee. See? The perfect example.
I said before, the damage of one Durai is much much more than one little Dr Chee could deliver. The damage of one Sear is more than you all can do. The damage of one Wee is far more than all the slappings on this PM.
If it were to be a ‘diminishing hope’ indeed, I am more than willing to still away and watch the show. Unless MM comes to my door and convince me that I really should aid the situation… then I’d consider. Frankly speaking, the current gahmen may be… I cannot say it is strengthening, but it is still strong enough to whack and do something for itself… including turning things around.
The only point in time when you can ‘choose your future’ is when the hope has diminished into exhausion… when the party has no more competition. Then we’d talk about it.
Use your brains… If simpletons such as Durai and those loyalists such as Sear and Fong plus the royal highness Wee have been doing such efficient job to slaughter PAP, why in the fuck should I kpo and not just stay away and just watch?
I am not exactly the type who can enter politics by myself. I need a strong leader. I am very heavy duty advisor class, I cannot handle too much office politics, ie…
PM has made his choice. He once ever said, it’s not that you speak American asent you can be minister. Hahahahahahahahaha… So I’d stay away. I am suffering in such a situation. But I got substance.
I don’t mind waiting for the right people, the right timing to swing my Excalibur.
I am ‘guarding’ Gan here because I want the gahmen to go on with their labor policies… I only know too well, if I don’t step in, nobody in YP can clear Gan and it’d only be blown up too big. Do you understand that it is very important for the PM to complete its choice of path? This election will help reinforce his path chosen.
Once the hope exhausted, then we can talk about the choosing part.
Right now, PAP still calls the shot. Like I said, what leaders will have what leaders, and what leaders shalt determine what politics. We can only choose of what the gods have offered for us.
In the end, it’s still this:
“…Only with the right leaders can you get what you want…”
I’m more inclined to try hold out to check out if the next PM will need Elfredian help, or to see if MM Lee will make a history visit to my humble flat. Otherwise, I am not interested in futile attempts. The next PM is watching this current PM’s struggle. If the next PM decides he or she can kick Elfred away, then so be it.
Without legacy, I have to express a rational doubt that once MM is gone… with what is this PM going to hold water???
See?
What’s the hurry?
But I have no problem with you guys choosing your future or what. Like I said, if anyones who can’t govern were to really replace PAP like LDP’s fall, they will be kicked off as well.
Given the high stakes on the table… I am more interested to see what MM is intending to do. For me, lobo-ing is the best personal policy now. I cherish this free time, because in the future… so much to do, I’d be very busy cleaning this mess.
When it is the time to rest, just rest.
In addition…
I don’t take baby steps.
It’s like planetary movements. When the sun rise, I open my eyes, when the sun sets, I go to sleep. When I need to join YP, I joined. When I need to siam, I siam.
Sometime… when you are so thirsty, you run around and around, only to discover than all you need to do is to know that the rain is coming, and all you need to do is to wait and open your bloody mouth as the rain starts.
What u people are doing is just a gamble, a blind goose chase… U don’t know what you want, what is the best course of route, what is needed… This running killed many across histories.
If you don’t even know what you want… if you can’t even know what you want and what to do… How in the fuck can you help anyone?
I retire from PAP, people thought PAP kicks me or I am anti-PAP. Those are silly thoughts of idiots.
At the end of the day, only by doing the right things can the right people come and only the right people can make you great. PAP is nothing more than brand.
Don’t be blind by a brand.
Behind this glamorous brand is a PM now struggling… you look at his white hair and thiner and thiner body… Hahahahahahahaha… Always stay focus on the exact strategic point. If he cannot excel a result beyond 66.6%…
May I ask, will the next result be 45% or 50%?
And very few will answer 75%… Because it’s the psychological issue of the voters.
So we know that this PM must secure a much higher votes in tactical reasoning. But we also know the real situation he is facing. Unless… he is preparing to resort to cheating, there is no reason why I shouldn’t wait.
Here comes the storm, and I am the only shop with the umbrella. Hahahahahahahahahahaha…
//Elfred
What’s your point?
To Elfred,
To each his / her own
I have been blindly following instructions only to experience having my head smashed into walls after walls (and the Leaders can still tell me to be “cheaper, faster…”)
I am not sure how many more walls are coming and how many more “crush”es I can take
Now I see the next brick wall coming ahead. It looks really mean. And this time round, my children are straped beside me. Do I change course?
Like I’d said (I am really sounding like a nag now):
“With the current bunch of Leaders, I only have too much disappointment and nothing to look forward to, for me and my children. If changes bring about (temporary) pain then so be it. At least let me suffer now, and hopefully it will be better (than now) when my children’s time comes”
If forcing the steering wheel sprains / breaks my wrists, so be it. But at least I would like to think I had done my best to protect my children
To each his / her own
I cannot see how one could survive in a crisis by letting “crisis managing them” instead of “managing crisis” to preferred outcome.
Singapore Parent,
What will go will go. Take it easy.
The ministers don’t wanna step down, more so the PM doesn’t wanna lose.
But so what the PM doesn’t wanna lose? I am the only one who can aid this PM, but he chose all those scandals, internal fights, and the breath-taking losses and so on.
You can’t stop, nor you can do anything.
Yes. To each’s own. You just don’t understand the ‘nature’ of politics.
I won’t be surprised that the next PM even thought he or she will have an easier time than the current’s. Just as the oppositions. I know very well you all supporters or those angry people won’t listen.
Go and fight.
Frankly speaking, those ah pehs who never go online… grassroots somemore, once something happen, their chatting could be faster than TR in publishing. Everyone is aware .
Why don’t they vote PAP out?
They are waiting for the incumbent to give the signal “Kick me out, kick me out!”
I said in the above, it’s obvious this MM will try to sustain at least the same level of voting results, because if this PM gets a 60~50% range, then the expectation will be %0~45% in the election after this, which is signalling for the public to offer a LDP-style rejection.
I am a state doctor. My job is ironically speaking… to aid such regimes which are about to fall or which are stuck in the mud. And my fee is not cheap. When I first see Obama, gauging his problems and his abilities I made an offer online. It’s the way how it works. I am offering you such FREE consultation only because I know you people won’t listen.
You have to see the future to know how to choose to act now.
The reason why this PM is… engaging in so much silly problems which are growing huge… and will get too huge for him is because he never ever even think there will be such escalation. Not until he’s seeing his last struggle will I forward my offer to assist.
Which is… If anybody thinks you are better than me in assessing political situation, go ahead, be my guest, do whatever you want.
I can only tell you this, unless and if and only if this MM comes to get me in to aid this PM… they are heading for that kinda path. Unstoppable. So what’s the hurry?
If you think you people will do more damages than those simpletons… go ahead. This PM started out happily with what Super-7 ministers.
He can’t handle the crisis, he can’t handle the online noises, he can’t even handle a small Alex Tan, and he let Ser Luck handles YP facebook, and Ser Luck get the police… You see… You guys are missing the important points.
This PM is faring no better than you guys, and he stands to lose the most. And this MM… he must be very very agitated. This is his son. He’s proud of him, he wants him to succeed. He’d do anything if there is anything he can do.
You guys are struggling, I am also suffering, but this PM is also not having a good time. Donkeys also know… When Lee May Hua made headlines, Vivian had to step in, and she made even more headlines… And DPM Teo cannot be apologising and apologising for the civil servants.
Look at the big picture.
Man who are great will think of greatness.
This PM is stuck. You don’t need to attack him. He has made his choice, I say let him go down the path he has chosen. And there won’t be short of more Sears, more being Rich is a plus, more police, more Durais, more scandals and so on to crush him.
I just want to know… how far will the MM go to secure his son. I already have my copi prepared for his visit. Hahahahahahahahahaha…
So… To each’s own.
@elfred – (quote)Frankly speaking, those ah pehs who never go online… grassroots somemore, once something happen, their chatting could be faster than TR in publishing. Everyone is aware .(unquote)
The ah peh today is not yesterday. Those really ah Peh is too old. Those same age with LKY mostly gone to heaven reporting.
You are just not keeping with the time and don’t know who is the new ah peh. The new ah peh is now new china. They are the ah tiong and PRC mei mei. You want to be advisor some more. How can you not keep up to date? How can you expect PM to knock on your door.
Elfred you must change course, go and support opposition, once they are selected they will surely know on your door.
@ elfred – sorry for the typo – i mean they will surely knock on your door. lol
CitizenOfSG,
Frankly speaking, but the time PAP gahmen finds that they cannot hold on any longer and decide to seek my attention, MM would have probably joined my grandfather for copi.
It’s just a ‘game’, you know. Because I am wondering… What kinda father is MM Lee, how far he will go to secure his son, and the party he almost lost, and the Singapore which managed to rise.
The chance is 50-50, hence. By right, if ‘by-right’, how can I still be so free when this PM is facing so much problems, and he is choosing to crush himself again and again.
But a couple of billions of losses and all those scandals may not bring the gahmen down to Earth. I need something more ‘powerful’ and it is coming. The gahmen without the calibre is just sitting ducks…
You see… If there were to be a really viable PM to be taking over Mr Lee Hsien Loong, no matter how stupid he or she is, observing this PM would show him or her one simple necessary issue: The next PM must quickly knock on my doors, because he or she has no such luxury or time when the MM won’t be around to contain the problems.
Without my presence, this PM did not get the legacy he needs. After MM is gone… Tell me how much chances does he have to contain the situation? People will then directly be able to challenge Mdm Ho Ching, and him, plus any related interests. He’d be at the mercy of those ‘loyalists’ such as Durai and Capt Ryans…
I am a state doctor, I am not so unrealistic to expect this PM or this MM to really bother about me. But all the more I have to be prepared to assist the next PM, provided he or she is not a muddle-head. If he or she is, PAP would be too weak… and it’d be war over.
Even now, this PM… if he cannot secure a comfortable election result this round, and cannot handle the contingencies habitually, I’d bet the MM’d be reminding him come the round after this… PAP should be prepared for a sudden fall. And it’d be very difficult to justify the PM to become the SM. What if he was the first (hence only) PM to be voted out? See?
This is politics. My analysis shows me decades back that…
Hahahahahahahahahaha…
You must understand this point… If and when the PAP is kicked out, there will be plenty of oppositions to join still. PAP will then be an opposition as well. In a population of 4m, I have no doubt that in face of a post-PAP era, there will be plenty of platforms to choose to join and to enter parliament.
Do you really think that if PAP is not doing a good job, the next government will be able to hold water… without my aid?
Don’t be naive.
Which is why provided MM comes to convince me to enter service, it’s best that I sit on my fence and enjoy the breeze.
The best… usually is reserved for the last. If the next PM doesn’t see much in my offer to aid, fine… then we’d observe the situation to act accordingly.
Joining the oppositions when the MM is still around to hold the network… is not really a wise move. MM should be an ‘ally’, not an ‘opponent’.
They might have no regards for this gust of uneducated poor fart… but is there a need to be foe?
I am not for doing unnecessary things.
The current oppositions are fighters for crumbs… Hahahahahahaha… People like myself, we cannot be assigned to the bottom, we cannot partner people whose thinking is only that ‘big’.
Ambition must be backed with substance… Otherwise, it’d only be chaos.
Mr Gan,
Forget about all the study committees no matter how qualfied they are – they live in crystal palaces.
Let me tell you what – just leave your comfortable job and home for 3 months, give yourself a budget of S$1000 per month and try to survive on that amount for food, lodging, family with 1 child, etc…. and look for a job.
Then you will have some idea of the plight facing the poor. Come on – have a brain of your own. Stop following blindly the PAP’s line – that nobody deserves a free lunch in Singapore. There are needy people who need a free lunch some rainy days. whats wrong with being a bit more compassionate???