Foreign worker who needs help in spoken English working as “accounts executive” in Singapore

January 14, 2010 by admin
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1,137 Comments on "Foreign worker who needs help in spoken English working as “accounts executive” in Singapore"

btan on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 8:23 pm

We must be very careful, in bringing out the foreigner issue, not to target any specific foreigner. The main culprit is the PAP government, who opened the doors of Singapore immigration wide like a cheap prostitute with her legs.

It is not the fault of the foreigners if they exploit this loophole. We only have ourselves to blame if we keep voting for PAP in the upcoming election.

goondu on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 8:25 pm

I think the problem lies on our ‘open’ policy rather than individual foreign workers who are here to seek better opportunities for themselves.

Your heading does not spell good.

goondu on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 8:30 pm

May I suggest that you change the heading?

crap on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 8:32 pm

To PAP, foreign “talent” means foreign cheap labour.

madmansg on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 9:02 pm

i see nothing wrong with the title. They are here to ROB you of your job and place. Don’t have to practice courtesy in here.

Alan Wong on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 9:32 pm

I know of a Chinese national holding PR who now operate a coffee shop cum foodcourt and is happily collecting monthly rental from the food stalls that he rents out.

Is our Govt referring to such “foreign talent” to provide jobs to Singaporeans ?

Or is it a con job merely to bluff Singaporeans ?

Ravenclaw on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 9:46 pm

Just FYI, accounts executive are junior positions within the media industry, basically serving as a liason officer between the client and the creative company. Applies for fields in PR or advertising.

David on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 10:08 pm

ICPAS will be very worried if such “Accounts Executive” from foreign countries came in to lower the standard of accounting and professional prestigious pay. As a result, nobody wanted to spend so much time and effort upgrading in Singapore Accountancy School when employers are hiring cheap non-experience workers. It is truly a lost of true Singaporean talents if such trend persist not to mention the government having to give FOREIGNERS priority on renting HDB flat thus depriving Singaporean couple from having a place to live and to start a family.

PAP IS THUS KILLING TWO BIRDS IN ONE STONE BY ALLOWING INFLUX OF FOREIGNERS TO DILUTE SINGAPORE AS A TALENT HUB AND CONTROL SINGAPORE BIRTH RATE BY DEPRIVING SINGAPOREAN COUPLE. What else can we say but to wait and witness LEE HSIEN LOONG topple from election stage and only than can we truly celebrate our freedom and happiness.

leon on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 10:16 pm

I have worked in a local listed media company which employed Pinoys as editors, sales and marketing executives and graphic designers. Simply unbelivable.

blackfeline on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 10:40 pm

let’s call a spade a spade…it takes 2 to clap…I condemn the government and i despise the opportunistic foreigners…it’s about time to make a stand….for singaporeans…only!!!!!!!!!!! period!

steve on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 10:59 pm

Agree with the writer. S-passes are being issued blatantly as I have also witnessed numerous executive job opportunities taken by foreigners (S-pass holders) which could have been offered to Singaporeans instead.

I hope MOM is ready this write-up and take a serious view and action on S-passes appproval with immediate effect.

In another perspective, lets do a hypothetical review on the S-pass holder dispensation of their monthly salary:

Salary: Singapore Dollar take home salary- $1600.00
- $400 rental of accommodation at HDB flat unit
- $200 public transport
- $250 food
- $250 miscellaneous and personal savings
- $500 money out of Singpore to HOMETOWN

True Singaporean on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 11:07 pm

Another fact is some of these low level foreigners are in charge of hiring locals.

What have our country became? !!!

talknonsense on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 11:32 pm

I agree with btan…wise approach.
Actually,we still need those who actually contribute and help many of our families like those in construction,the maids,the nurses.
If we srcutinise deeper,however,it’s the PRC who have mostly taken away many of our blue-collared jobs that our own people could do and those Indians mostly from the Indian institute of Management and such that have snatched away our PMET jobs like
IT,Finance and banking and other professions like accounting.
Our worker shave been betrayed by both the elites and corporate
bosses despite having contributed hugely over the years.
Greedy leaders just want to cream more for themselves by replacing us with cheaper but not neccesarily better workers.

Kill Foreigners on Thu, 14th Jan 2010 11:52 pm

The reason why so many foreigners flock to Singapore to work is because the is big money to be made after converting Sing dollar back to their home country. To stop them from coming there is only one simple way i.e. increase their cost of living in Singapore and PAP will not help willingly. We can help ourselves by raising their rental by at least 100% to 300% for the next rental renewal. We need to do this because every one foreigner having job in Singapore means another Singaporean breadwinner is robbed of his job, and his whole family of at least 3 is threatened for survival. We should also vote for every opposition candidate who contest in any ward so that PAP will be forced to increase the housing, education, transport, food and living expenses for foreigners. When the cost of living for foreigners become higher, they will no longer be able to accept China, India, Philippines and Myanmar standard of low wage and Singaporeans can have their jobs back.

Kill Foreigners on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:12 am

Based on steve’s calculation, we Singaporeans should stand united and inform all our Singaporean relatives, friends and colleagues to start increasing the rental for foreigners by 300% to $1200 per room. This is entire legal and I am sure no Singaporeans will complain about the high rental fees. If these foreigners are really talented they should not have any problem commanding a salary higher than Singaporeans in Singapore. So by doing this we also ensure that we only get those truly talented foreigners who can help Singapore progress.

senior citizen on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:36 am

Nothing new. The only thing new is that they are using our money to train them. S$10m.

It has been like this for the past few years. Employers hire these foreigners because they can be exploited. There are tonnes of agencies around who will call the companies to solicit jobs for these foreign nationals. S-pass holders at $1800 nett take home, no CPF. Sometimes employers even subsidize their housing.

SimplySingaporean on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 1:29 am

Our Koong Koongs and Poh Pohs struggled to stand in crowded MRT trains from Jurong to Bedok while S-pass foreigners with their wives and children occuppy the priority seats chatting loudly in their strange language. They don’t care for our older Singaporeans. Why should they?. They have different values from us. I have seen these with my own eyes!! (I was also standing). Our civil servants and ministers do not take trains. They do not know.

lalala on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:41 am

hello Mr.Simply Singaporean

Locals also never stand up for their seniors ..lols….they only listen to their songs and play PSP or juz like advertiesd, “dun pretend to sleep! give up for those who need it” xD

lalala on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:47 am

to the admin, do u think all locals have good command of english? lols…speaking singlish !!some even do not understand a simple word “sugar” xD

Terence Goh on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:04 am

Increasing the rental for foreigners seems like a good idea but the pro-foreigner PAP government will simply counter this by renting more flats to foreigners cheaply. Like the 2 blocks of Toa Payoh flats.

The only solution is to vote PAP out…or maybe upgrade your pink IC into blue one.

Aung on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:17 am

Do any of you know that your government taxes us as much as it does to anyone of you, too? I am a PR here. I pay my taxes and contribute CPF to let your government build housings, infrastructures and other welfare expenses for you Singaporeans, which one day we will eventually have to leave those facilities behind when we return our country. What do you mean by we flocking into your country exploit your taxpayers’ money. Like that I don’t even dare to use a public toilet in Singapore lest somebody might come out and say, “Hey!! You are using my money…” lol…..

Anonymou on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:22 am

Aung on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:17 am

“…. Like that I don’t even dare to use a public toilet in Singapore lest somebody might come out and say, “Hey!! You are using my money…” lol…..

YES, ABSOLUTELY!!!!

Because of you and your countrymen here, we HAVE TO BUILD MORE SEWAGE PLANTS – that cost a lot of money!!!!!!!

So why are you grumbling about paying taxes here?

ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

madmansg on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:33 am

To Aung,

Most of your kind pay little or no tax at all. How many years of tax have your been paying? The tax you paid may not even be enough for you to use our public phones, let alone use our public toilet.

Many years ago in the early 1990s, we have TRUE TALENT from GERMANY, USA, etc. Today, we have “talent” like you from 3rd world country and i really dun see the value. Singaporean has no issue if you are real a real TALENT but not when you are just a pretending to be one. Spending money to teach “talent” English???? Is this what we call TALENT? Tax payers money should only be spent on native Singapore only.

Anonymous Coward; Cult of the common sense on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:08 am

@Aung

So the rest of us here do not have to pay taxes and contribute to the CPF? What rubbish are you sprouting out of that orifice you call your mouth? Time again and again, the wages are suppressed for the average Singaporean to stay “competitive” (Yes, it’s a dirty word now) with you bunch of foreign migrants that have no real skills to compete upon except being cheap and with little to no liabilities such as a compulsory 2 year stint with the armed forces, a 10 year cycle where one has to return to the armed forces for retraining every year. So tell me, what was it exactly where Singaporean locals have an edge over you again?

Anonymous Coward – Cult of the common sense

senior citizen on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:48 am

Hey Aung, CPF at the end of the day is your money or tax money? You work here, use the infrastructure we built, rightful that you pay taxes to use them. You are already having your cake and eating it, you want to have ours too? Tell me one country on this earth that you work in and no need to pay taxes. If you can name one, you should go there.

Newtype on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:08 am

I was out at Orchard last night and wento the counter, there is a young LOCAL girl behind.

‘Hi, I would like to order’

She turn around and gave me a glass of water.

So its either me, a Singaporean who work in a TLC, can’t speak good english or she, also a singaporean, heard fresh grad doing PT, can’t listen to proper english.

PeterL on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:18 am

There will be no solution to this “PROBLEM” if both the govt.& employers clap hands to exploit the current situation.

The people will be losers unless like some Arab nations where the foreigners overwhelm the population 2 maybe 3 or more to 1ocal citizens with the govt. offering full employment to all citizens young middle age and old with a min.salary………..Fat hope with the current govt sitting pretty,a RUDE AWAKENING may just do the trick.

LKY’s comment on minimum wage: Not competitive, answer:”WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT COMPETING AGAINST BESIDES THEMSELVES”

reader on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:31 am

To all “FT” who thinks that because they pay taxes and CPF, they have a right to what singaporeans should be entitled to.

Singapore is built through the taxes of our forefathers and alot of other indirect taxes.

I ask if your whole family residing in singapore. GST, etc are paid to sustain each singaporean’s spouse, parents and kids. From food, transportation, entertainment, education to hospital charges.

Do you have to serve NS and be involved in reservist training?

If you leave the country, you can count on taking out all your CPF and monetizing your property. Singaporean have no such option.

Your taxes is only a small part of the equation.

I personally think we should increase the tax on all “FT”. In fact I think it should be a flat rate at 20% regardless of how much they earn. This way if you make S$1,000 you will be left with S$800 and its a big impact. If you make S$50,000 you will be left with S$40,000 – which is still attractive.

I believe this way it will attract the higher quality “FT” and those cheap ones will become less attracted to come here. This will level the field for that segment.

I think this will be more effective than raising rental. Also, this increase in cost for them will bring in the $$ to run the government and less pressure to tax the citizens.

concerned on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:36 am

I would like to add that we really need a smaller government. We have way too many BGs in teh army, too many scholars writting papers for MPs, too many indian chiefs in civil service, too highly paid ministers, etc.

I call for smaller government.

is there any trend chart to show the cost of government over the years? I am sure it must be a shocker of a chart to see. I bet it has grown 10x in the last 20 years.

David on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:51 am

Rofl? There are a lot of singaporean who cannot speak english very well. And how many singaporeans speak proper english? English or Singlish? Try to improve yourself instead of blaming other ppl.

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:47 am

Imao. I read post and comments. WTH they r thinking what they r. Singaporeans r puffed up with pride. I think they should have pride for their country. But no skills except complain. One suggested to increase Foreigners living cost and rental fees(300%). LOL. What a great idea! I want to suggest to close all incoming Foreigners instead of increasing like this. And we r also contributing tax to build ur country well. If u all think this way, why let u all let us come. Just close! But i think u can’t do that. Why, why? All think with ur brains. Coz most of them graduated people(singaporean) r walking out of the country. And the rest r just complaining instead of hard working. I dun mean all. Most of the rest singaporeans r like that. U all think u can do well without Foreigners? Dreaming!

Guna on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:48 am

The Correspondent’s thinking is flawed. He is saying the employer is responsible in feeding his whole family, hence the salary of $2000 for nursery school “teacher”.

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:54 am

And some said like we r robbing their jobs? If u all have skills, why let them rob? Just take what u all deserve. LOL! Just complain, complain, …

MM on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:57 am

Dear
We all know Singapore country dont have natural resources. They stand with Human resources (now working business all over the world), so i think S’porean dont need to blame to foreign worker or expert. They better need to compete with foreigner even their GOV give better chance.
This is not reason to raise the rental fee for foreign worker.
There are a lot of S’porean who migrated from other country, some are still holing PR and thinking to change to citizen.
with best regards-MM

Clement Yong on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:03 pm

Hello,

This is my first post here. There is something I don’t quite understand.

“A recent article by Wall Street Journal suggested that the influx of foreigners into Singapore in the last few years has led directly to the stagnation of wages of blue-collar workers, widening of the income gap between the rich and the poor, overall decrease in labor productivity and standards of living.”

So if the wages of blue-collar workers have been stagnant, how is the income gap widened? This indicates that the rich ARE doing well, and perhaps even better than they should be. Excluding the Ministers and Top Civil Servents, where and who are these rich people? Are they the ones who received a university education and are now living the high life?

If so, should not the blue collar workers upgrade themselves and try to put their qualifications on par with the rich ones pulling away? On top of upgrading, how about entering a profession that is untouchable by the FTs? If the FTs were really so potent, then how come they are unable to replace the rich in Singapore? Surely the rich must have some kind of competive advantage in the jobs that’s why they dont feel the effectr of the FT influx right?

Anyone would want to share their thoughts on this?

Tin on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:18 pm

after reading some of ur comments and this post Head title, I found that SOME (i don’t mean Most i know some of you are educated) of the
Singaporean here are not mature yet.
You can’t blame other for coming to your country. And also you can’t blame those who go to foreign and work and even live and die at there.
Its call Human Rights and Personal Freedom.
Let’s think again. If employers here didn’t hire such low pay employees, will this happen? (I know u will say of course this is a kind of doing business and saving money and increase profit!!)
And does MOM really take care the employees here?? (Yes they might! but its just a department and it can’t cover the whole island.)

Most of the problems come from EMPLOYERS here who hire employees with low pay.
Think again. who is right and who is wrong.
If the above SME didn’t hire Ms Yin with such low pay in that position title, will this happen?
And some LOCAL companies here didn’t pay your salary based on your job title. They just name it because they like the title. Some job post advertisement didn’t qualify for the given position they asked. Don’t believe? Go and read some job vacan. advertisements.

Think again before you said something.

REMEMBER Think before you speak out and Re-think again whether what you said hurt other.

Be mature.
Don’t act like a cry baby.

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:21 pm

Ya` all said like u want to suck all money of our working hard. LOL. That’s the singaporean thinking style. STFU!

J on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:27 pm

@Clement

Firstly, upgrading yourself costs money. It costs money to take a course, and if you are studying full time, that’s additional money (oppurtunity cost) you are not earning. If you are living from paycheck to paycheck, can you afford to ‘upgrade’ yourself? Upgrading yourself also does not guarantee a job, let alone a better paying one.

The competitive advantage the rich have is 1) wealth, and 2) connections. Wealth generates wealth (eg. renting out 2nd home). For an example of 2), see YPAP member Sear Hock Rong. These are competitive advantages that have nothing to do with skills.

Ng on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:33 pm

“While it is not revealed what she does exactly……………..”
“her job can be easily taken over by any Singaporean with a ITE or “O” level certificate.”
How can you determine that accounting job can be taken over by O level without knowing her responsibility?
If something is not sure, take some time to think. If you think to get something is easy nowadays, you would be so wrong. You may also know about locals; take so many fake MCs, asking for much salaries and facilities, want to do less. No wonder employers don’t like to hire. It’s the facts; you all can go on crying without mending yourselves to suit to situations. Nowadays, there are still plentiful of jobs out there, what one should do is just pick up one instead of asking to create one. Every time crying for the moon without having the abilities to accept.

Zin on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:53 pm

Hello guys!! I’m a foreigner working in Human Resource Department of a Marine Industry… Base on our company’s performance appraisal records of past 5 years, I had found out that the highest performance appraisal grades were being held by foreigners… Not Singaporeans!!! Think properly before u all open your big mouths!! Are you capable to compete us, foreigners?

Dan on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:59 pm

I’m surprised to see FT from Pakistan, Vietnam, Philippines and other countries working in stats board when we’re experiencing high unemployment.

It make me wonder why can’t I get a job in stats board. when they could? I can understand the “demand” in private sector. But public sector too?

D.Walker on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 1:13 pm

Well, lets talk about English skill. My English skill level is Intermediate and im earning 4.2k SGD per month + AWS + 10% annual salary bonus. So my company is just stupid or there is no SINGAPOREAN who can beat me ??? Com’on be mature. Zzzz

David on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 1:20 pm

Stop complaining.. Go and learn smth to get back ur job. At least she is trying to improve herself.

Thein Htike on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 1:25 pm

it’s simple.
SGs think all of the FT are just cheap workers but not talented actually.
If so, try like this…

In future, We’ll ask our prices (salaries and whatever) as same as what your great citizens get…

Guess who grab more jobs!!!

concerned on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 1:49 pm

@justice.judge

Definitely there is a reason for high end FT to be here but for people like you, you should just shut up and get out of here. We do not need your kind here.

I like the idea of a flat rate tax of 20% which is very competitive in the world. It should be applied without exceptions – something that the MIW is very capable of corrupting the process with.

I suspect that you are from the low end FT and probably pay no taxes. I think if such a scheme is in place then it will discourage people like you to come here.

Stop commenting on Singaporeans in singapore when you are not one. Its our country and we are the ones to have a right to state our preference for it. You should ask why you come here. Why is it that your home country sucks and why you choose to come here!

However, ultimately its the MIW’s fault. They choose to open the gate and allow these less than desirable parasites to come in. Well, we should all know what to do at the next elections.

mya on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:04 pm

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dew on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:08 pm

hello Big Mouth…
before you speak, you should think probably.
what do you think?
“her job can be easily taken over by any Singaporean with a ITE or “O” level certificate.”….
haha ..!
I think.. Don’t u know one fact that most of the Singaporean Maths calculation is very horrible even they are studying at Poly. Really really .. I hope that u will know.
Then some of the people don’t know how to talk nicely to customers or guests. They know only one that want to get money, want to do easy jobs, & NEVER interested their responsibility. Then they try to cover their horrible in front of the employer(Boss). But the employer doesn’t know because the employer cannot see the small things.

By the way.. I want to ask you. Before the employer employ her, didn’t he interview anything ? If she spoke poor English at that time, he should think. Why did he choice her? I think.. he may like her responsibility. Am i right? Is Boss no Brain .? THINK AGAIN & AGAIN ..
Then do you think that all the Singaporean can speak very GOOD English.? haha.. they are using only formal Language. NOT STANDARD FLUENCY. Even one of the European way of talking is different other European. So shouldn’t have a high opinion to someone.

Pease Go and Wash your brain and Mouth again.

lalala on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:09 pm

i agree with

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:47 am

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:20 pm

LOL. Dear concerned, u think i’m low lvl in singapore. LOL. Imao. I’m holding SPR right now and professional staff. U think u all dun need me or Foreigners? So why gave us SPR and Citizen? LOL. Think through.We all know it’s ur country, maybe. But think properly. Ya` all can make ur country like nowadays on ur own alone? LOL. Day Dreaming again! And u said we all dun pay tax. R u really singaporean? O.o. Whatever we buy and eat in singapore paid tax already. LOL. Btw i also contribute CPF. So STFU!

seatown on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:25 pm

All you SG ppl do is bitch and moan constantly.

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:26 pm

If u think i’m low lvl, how come i can write and speak english like this? So even if i’m low lvl, my lvl is same as ya` all. So….. ur singaporeans r also low lvl. Most of the FT is high lvl. LOL. U noob la! Before u comment, think through noob.

Cpt on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:29 pm

Lky son already said he want more foreigners coming in. It will continue to make it happen.

TP on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:31 pm

I read post and all comments. Please must be careful when we post a comments. For Singaporeans If all think you can do everything without foreigner? So funny do you go and check around the world.Every country must need foreigners workers. So i suggest one think before you speak you should think probably. Actually most of Singaporean pretend in front of their bosses. They don’t know so much haha!

Regards,
TP

seatown on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:32 pm

I’ve met some Singaporeans here in LA. They speak terrible english. I’m talking about sh**y english.. worse than some mexicans who just crossed the border… sure they can write or type ok but speaking is as bad as Japanese and Koreans..
Don’t like’em much cuz they think they’re the sh**.. cocky ‘lil mofos..
There’s a large Myanmar community here in California and they’re great people..and most of them speak english much better than those four eyed bastards from SG.

just citizen on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:38 pm

Can’t blame you guys kpkb about this problem.
Have you ever think what causes this problem?
The answer lies in the huge influx of the not so talented foreigners! Who allowed this sad state of affairs to happened? Well,the answer is obvious!
No matter how much we kpkb,it’s of no consequence ‘cos they are all deaf,how much we show them the sad situations,no use, ‘cos they are blind!!They just do not care what the local citizens think or feel any more!!
The first phase of propaganda dealing with the influx of foreigners is still on going, eg.’foreigners come in here to creat jobs for the locals,they come in to work on jobs shun by locals,they come in here to boost up the economy, etc. etc.
The second phase of propaganda has just begin,ie.”integration” See how the whole govt.machineries
are geared up at full stream? From the very top echelons to the grass-root level,to the 5 mayors,they will be pushing the “integration” thingy with full force and venom,leaving no stone unturned!!!
Election is fast approaching,time is the essence! We as local Singaporeans have this only one last chance to vote and reduce the majority of the incumbents. if ever we miss this chance,we may never see the likes of this type of political scenario in our life time!!!
So folks out there vote with your heart and soul for the life of your life!!!!

LOL on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:46 pm

LOL, that’s all I can do.
Mind yourself , the great singaporeans. Better shut ur mouth and go back to ur work.
I’m also an Accounts Executive working in SMEs. What I saw at here is “the great singaporeans field workers are lazy guys. We can’t count on them cos of they don’t respect their work, they go away or disappear without warning. How can a boss rely on these guys?
Don’t think all foreign workers aren’t talent and good as urs. On my accounting job, all the job done by former singaporean accountants is just messy.
Don’t just point out at others, look back at urself, mr and mrs singaporean!!!!

Nay on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:54 pm

Hello Admin,
Want to ask you about your post title. Do you think only Myanmar are Foreigner in SG? Your title doesn’t fair.
According to your post, what’s wrong with Ms Yin. She is trying her improvement.
Your post target is Myanmar. Ok, let’s talk about our country (Myanmar). I believe, you all will know about our country is poor country. Our gov is the worst gov in the world. But, we can try and fight with all of you from these difficult situations.
On the other hand, you have been living and learning education with full facilities more than us (MM ppl). Why we can’t compete with us? Find yourself the solution.

From
MM Girl

FTSucks on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 2:59 pm

FTrash are getting more cocky nowadays…paid abit of tax and starting to think they are entitled to what Singaporeans have. Singapore has prospered for 30years without any of these FTrash, I don’t see how they can contribute to our society now. As far as I know, they’ve and are still main culprits for contributing to the high inflation, high crime rates, high congestion, high HDB prices and lower salary….

JOSHUA (BURMAVJ) on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:02 pm

This article simply shows the standard of Singaporean Media Standard. As a professional Journalist, I really feel embarrassed on behalf of the contributor and the media that publicize this kind of bias and unprofessional article. And moreover, the writing is against the law. In this case, if the accuser found out what is written about her, the paper can be sued by libel law. I denounce the writer, editors, publisher of this articles and strongly recommends that they remove this from the web as soon as possible. They even need to make public apology for what they have done.

concerned on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:07 pm

Well, I guess it’ll be a waste of effort to respond to justice.judge. Afterall, with his bad command of english, it’ll be lost in translation.

Anyhow, I will cast my vote for anyone who is willing to tighten up the access of low end “FT” (such as justice.judge). Like I said again, the best and simplest way is to slap a flat 20% tax on them. The high end “FT” already pay the 20%. So, it will basically weed out the low end “FT”

ME on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:08 pm

everybody shut up all your sucking big mouth……

Si Thu on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:17 pm

Here my words
Singapore look like a mango tree. Your PAP party and goverment try your country to be shine. Now you can collect good salary and good benafit being singaporean. Our foreigner look like gardeneer. we cant get good thing except low salaries. We try hard and so cheap. But it is one thing good for some company. So do you want to call us as enemy or friend? We can also develope our english skill by our self. Dont forget some singaporean cant speak well.

talknonsense on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:20 pm

Time will tell if the FT policy is a good policy.
If in afew years’ time,the majority of those Singaporeans who are gainfully working now are still employed and the FTs stayed
on to help advance the aggregate interest of Singapore in NATION building,then the FT policy is to be lauded.
If,form now till then,more and more of us,citizens,are permanently displaced;be it a friend,a borther or sister,a wife or husband,then it cannot be claimed that such a policy
was good for the nation and its citzens.
It would be a shame if all these FTs-cum-PRs start exiting suddenly in great numbers and I am inclined to think they would.By then,those displaced would be either too old or out of touch to be re-employed.
What encourage citizen-workers who are out of job to spent their limited savings on ‘RE-TRAINING’ or “UPGRADING” when I witness a lot of them still not able to get decent new jobs?
The union leaders and government must speak and behave more
responsibly.Don’t mislead our own citizens,it’s bad karma and at the end, it will only reveals insincerity.

JOSHUA (BURMAVJ) on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:21 pm

I also read all the comments by Singaporeans, their worried on the foreign workers show that the Singaporean labor industry is NOT competent. They are scared. Cheers my Burmese buddies from Singapore.

Nay on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:25 pm

Want to ask you about your post title. Do you think only Myanmar are Foreigner in SG? Your title doesn’t fair.
According to your post, what’s wrong with Ms Yin. She is trying her improvement.
Your post target is Myanmar. Ok, let’s talk about our country (Myanmar). I believe, you all will know about our country is poor country. Our gov is the worst gov in the world. But, we can try and fight with all of you from these difficult situations.
On the other hand, you have been living and learning education with full facilities more than us (MM ppl). Why you can’t compete with us? Find yourself the reason.

hi on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:25 pm

bullshit

lim on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:27 pm

@Ng on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 12:33 pm

>> If something is not sure, take some time to think.

Accounts executives are just nice names for accounts clerks, jobs that are easily done yesteryears by ‘O’ levels, unless you know that todays accounts executives are holding higher responsibilities?

>>You may also know about locals; take so many fake MCs, asking for much salaries and facilities, want to do less.

Are you implying those pap ministers? Well as far as I know, PRs/foreigners also will fall sick and take MCs, unless you know for sure that H1N1 only target singaporeans, and somehow foreigners are able to avoid it..

>> t’s the facts; you all can go on crying without mending yourselves to suit to situations.

I think we are not crying anymore, already pass that phase, but intended to do something about the deplorable situation that pap has gotten singaporeans into.. Wait for the coming GE..

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:32 pm

Dear concerned, just do it. I wanna see what will happen. LOL. U trying to kick out to all FT is explanation? Imao. LOL. If ya` all can do, just kick out all of us. No regrets! Just do it! Keep breath, eat more and say less. Just show ya` all ability. I wanna see. And no need to vote, ya’ all singaporean want this, right? So do it. I’m watching u. And concerned, u said u wanna weed out the low end FT? I think it’s good idea. So that high FT can be relax and ya` all singaporean will get opportunity to do that low lvl stuff. Nobody will rob ur jobs at that time, dude. Good luck!

PP on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:44 pm

Have u got any idea how “She has been working in Singapore as an “accounts executive” for over a year.”

Why her boss paid SGD for over a year.

AMAZING …..

Itchy Hand on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:55 pm

I am just wondering about “….for singaporeans…only!!!!!!!!!!! period!”
What would it be like…A hak,a hak..:D

Anyway I think PAP is better govt than those of surrounding countries…put ur feet in ur govt’s place and think …you ain’t do betther anyway…that’s why they are govt and ruling u…they called in foreingners for those works u guys wish not to do or not qualified to do…nicely fed child cries worse…

“Our Koong Koongs and Poh Pohs struggled to stand in crowded MRT trains from Jurong to Bedok while S-pass foreigners with their wives and children occuppy the priority seats chatting loudly in their strange language”
- I saw ur nicely taught singaporean teenagers occupied at the priority seats on the bus while the senior citizens were standing
Oh wait.. when u grow old…they will put u at the nursing home where the foreigners are working and you will know the value of foreigners then…

Shin Ye Htut on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:57 pm

Guys,

It’s not so difficult to see that we rely on each other.
We need Singapore as much as Singapore needs Foreign talent.

Because of Singapore, we can live near your country and support our families.
Because of Foreign workers, Singapore industries are unbeatable in performance and many other things even compare to other first world countries.

You cannot get result by comparing nationally.
Because, there are a lot of Singaporean more qualified then common foreign workers and there are lots of Foreign workers who are better then average Singaporean.
Even you got the result, it doesn’t solve anything.

If you guys keep on insulting each other, only you will get angry and pain. And your day will be ruined.

be cool and just let it go.

Tin on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:03 pm

about “concerned” comment:
“Stop commenting on Singaporeans in singapore when you are not one. Its our country and we are the ones to have a right to state our preference for it. You should ask why you come here. Why is it that your home country sucks and why you choose to come here!”

Another singaporean shows that how selfish and childish they, singaporean are.
—————————————————————————
“..And moreover, the writing is against the law. In this case, if the accuser found out what is written about her, the paper can be sued by libel law…. They even need to make public apology for what they have done.”
I also agree with JOSHUA (BURMAVJ) .
The writer and PIC should apology for what they have posted here.

Guna on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:06 pm

dont be jealous of FTs lah.
upgrade yourself.
dont ask for high salary because you think the employer has the obligation to make sure that salary can feed your whole family. Accept the salary for your skills set and job scope.
After you upgrade yourself it does not mean you are entitled to the job…because experience has to be earned.
Be willing to work at lower end jobs such as cleaners and sweepers.
Employers have the right to hire FT if the skills set is what he is looking for and at a more reasonable salary.
Stop complain, complain (because life is now too easy…our forefathers worked hard…our youger Singaporeans want to showoff, have latest phones, demand high salary, complain when asked to multitask, dont want to work shift, dont want to stand long hours, produce poor workmanship, lazy…etc. The list is long.

adrian on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:09 pm

come on singapore.. keep on showing ur standard like this…. reali apprecitiate..

More worried on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:14 pm

An accountant not only must know existing accounting standards in use but also new pronouncements in relevant international accounting standards for financial reporting and even taxation application AND THESE ARE ALL IN ENGLISH.

Anyone seeking to practice the profession of accounting in an English-speaking business jurisdiction must have very strong command of English Language and its relevant vocabulary.

It is NOT easy to be an accountant anymore compared to maybe just a decade ago.

JUST LOOK AT THE COMPLEXITIES OF ACCOUNTING POLICIES DESCRIBED IN ANNUAL REPORTS OF LISTED COMPANIES WORLDWIDE to see how tough the job has become.

THIS IS REALITY.

manyears on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:24 pm

accounts executive = glorified sales person lah, nothing to do with accounting…. lol.

Thiha Thura on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:28 pm

The paper, Strait Times, should go beyond why Ms Yin Yin Oo has been appointed in that position with little on not up to the standard English required by the job. What you in Chinese called “Quanxi” we called “Akaung” behind her appointment. Singapore, by that I mean the ruling party PAP, has so much to lose if the military regime were to go, they are curry-favouring them in any way they can. Where can you find a government that will execute drug traffickers while at the same time letting the most notorious drug lord’s son and his colleagues invest in the country. No wonder they say, “Everything is fine in Singapore”.

Susan on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:29 pm

I just want to know you also how much can do the best yourself.
Just think about yourself. I think you so jealous about many foreigners work in singapore right? If you feel like that you should say all singaporean try the best more than foreigners…
ok? I just wish you good luck @ your work… Time will tell you the true….

DISPLACED BLUE COLLAR CITIZEN on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:39 pm

Those who claimed to be singaporeans but speak like a foreigner
are not fit to claim themselves are singaporeans.It’s national disgrace!
Making clever and rational remarks is one thing but letting down one’s own people is another.
How come I see some guys who condemned LKY’s remarks against natives comment against own singaporeans here and there as if they are damn smart.Wonder how they are really faring?
Some comments are rather myopic and idiotic like how some government people talk…only know how to look down on own people!Think these people must be barking for their masters in white?..siao kow!!!
What,foreigners create more jobs for singaporeans…where?
Only,see more and more locals out of job even at hawker-centres…are those who criticise singaporeans like the PAPies thinking that making a bowl of noodles is so intricate task that the locals cannot do?Come on!Don’t talk rubbish,PAPies’ dogs…go eat yur own sh@ts!
To be honest,sometimes,the hygiene level of the PRCs-for instance, are so low that more more people are getting sick more often form eating out.
Anyway,I can tell you that their skills are not half as good as that singaporean who was once cooking.This is only a simple example.Look at your x-rays,last time much better,now all blur!
pay same money for poorer product…of course,the ‘TOWKAYS’ don’t mind.They pocket more now after lower workers’ salaries.
No need to argue this and that,very simple one,just want to make more money but give pooer quality.FT,what FT?
Be fair to your own people but if you just want to screw workers up,just be frank,no need to bullshit,leh?

imho on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:40 pm

JOSHUA (BURMAVJ) on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:21 pm

You are a professional journalist? Your writings do NOT show perceptive awareness of social developments in Singapore BUT YOU ARE ALREADY EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED TO your “Burmese buddies in Singapore”

You know, even in war reporting, journalists do NOT take side, so I don’t know what “kind of bias and unprofessional article” you are capable of yourself. Maybe you could explain and elaborate here. Until then, I am hardly impressed by your professional rhetorics.

Khaing on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:40 pm

To all singaporean !!

We are here for seeking money & more opportunities to go to the Real Frist World country. Not to be stuck here and ends up our life. No anger nor wonder if we abandon this country at one day without any notice!. We are selling labour and you are buyer!. It is just a trade!. No shit of sympathetic include! Blame on your damn government if you don’t like their way and not to the Foreign Workers.
I am wondering why you guys always measure a person qualification with communicative skill. Do you guys think your way of speaking English and grammar is too better than the rest all Foreign Workers? So funny!.. Sorry, we can only speak English but we can’t speak Singlish.

So, never act like you all are too far higher than Foreign Workers. Just try to upgrade yourself to compete with us in reality.

pannwuttyee on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:42 pm

Ag on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:42 pm

Just think yourself.
Nobody want to work in another country for long time.

Even we are good in English, we have to pretend like not very well.
Why ? If we all are good both Language and All other things, Singaporeans like U will complain more and more…ha ha ..so funny..not good minded…

Just suggest…you should study more..how to handle the country without natural resources…

“3rd world country ? ”

Don’t forget the past..Don’t proud too much for current situation .. Also prepare for future..

While working in here, we are doing well and obviously, If you can…We are also ready to go back..

I am very sad that I saw “Myanmar National” is used in title..
This is because of we have no chance to use our resources for our country..Let restore our country back..
Don’t wanna say too much. All are inside heart…hope everybody also feel like that…

Ag on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:48 pm

Just think yourself.
Nobody want to work in another country for long time.

Even we are good in English, we have to pretend like not very well.
Why ? If we all are good both Language and All other things, Singaporeans like U will jealous and complain more and more…ha ha ..so funny..not good minded…

Just suggest…you should study more..how to handle the country without natural resources…

“3rd world country ? ”

Don’t forget the past..Don’t proud too much for current situation .. Also prepare for future..

While working in here, we are doing well and obviously, If you can…We are also ready to go back..

I am very sad that I saw “Myanmar National” is used in title..
This is because of we have no chance to use our resources for our country..

Let restore our country back..

Don’t wanna say too much. All are inside heart…hope everybody also feel like that…

MgHtay on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:52 pm

Let me contribute to this article as a myanmar FT here.

Most of the Bosses / Owner of SME are Pure Singaporean. ( We all know this. )

If they don’t share the view with you singaporeans maybe this is the time to start asking yourself the ultimate question “Why like that ?”

But let me tell you one thing, all of us have to work as hard as singaporean do, a lot of us have to work harder than you guys and having lesser money, lesser chance and more restriction than you guys.

Ask yourself why you think you don’t have a better chance than us ?

Being a singaporean is the thing between citizens and government. Bosses and Customer don’t care where you come from as long as you are doing a good job.

Did you ever ask which citizen cooked your meal ? or Did you ever ask which citizen build your road and houses ? When a blue-collar foreigner died from an unfortunate accident, nobody think .. oh Singaporean should die instand of that foreigner … hmm ?

I am one step away from becoming a Singapore Citizen. I’ll be so proud of being one of the hard working Singaporeans, not the whining kiasu pussies,

Yan Lo on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:53 pm

zzzz only flame war….
action speaks a thousand words

Ag on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:55 pm

Just think yourself.
Nobody want to work in another country for long time.

Just suggest…you should study more..how to handle the country without natural resources…

“3rd world country ? ”

Don’t forget the past..Don’t proud too much for current situation .. Also prepare for future..

While working in here, we are doing well and obviously, If you can…We are also ready to go back..

I am very sad that I saw “Myanmar National” is used in title..

This is because of we have no chance to use our resources for our country..

Let restore our country back..

Don’t wanna say too much. All are inside heart…hope everybody also feel like that…

Baba on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:57 pm

All under-educated local guys..

Improve your skill first..then talk to others.
Don’t say to government and other .

Improve your self first.

KO KO on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 4:59 pm

Language? or Ethic? .. Singaporeans .. show more for your ethical communication rather than language communication.

According to what I see and read your native Singaporeans’ comments are very disgusting and no ethic. Even the news itself has no ethic because of by name. She is not a criminal.

Be smart. Show your ethic.

Stephen on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:01 pm

I agree with

JOSHUA (BURMAVJ) on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 3:02 pm

I just wish this wasn’t done by an experienced writer. It is so immature and unprofessional to mention the nationality and even the person’s name.

lalala on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:08 pm

hehe…aja aja fighting !!

Max on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:09 pm

From what i got an idea on this issue, this is only personal attack on public. If she doesn’t have qualification, the company will not hire her anymore. It depends on the company’s choice. Language is not a barrier. Only intelligence, attitude & how people can devote on work is the best of quality. I wish you all to be smart on work and educated on public sector.
All the best,
Thank you.

concerned on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:21 pm

Why are there so many “FTs” here? The subject being discussed is if this position can be filled by a singaporean, why wasn’t it?

Why wasn’t there a requirement that the employer must show effort that there is no one in the country can fill the position?

I think it important to differentiate the different “FT”s.

I think for those at the very very low end like construction workers, cleaners, we can have that because you really cannot find much singaporean to fill that. We can have a condition for them as contract workers and teh current levy scheme will work. They will also be exempted to taxes.

For the high end, those that will setup companies, expertise, we will welcome them and they already pay 20% tax.

For the mid range, like the accounts executive, the waitress, the masseuse, the salesman, we should apply the 20% flat tax. Alternatively, the employer must prove that no singaporean apply for the job – ie cannot find any singaporean to fill the position.

nnnncccc on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:23 pm

I see this issue is boiling down to a point where opinions of pro-FW and not so pro-FW clash. Firstly, I think the heading doesn’t serve any purpose rather than revealing someone’s cynicism and a poorly researched opinion towards FWs & their skills.

Well not all FWs are here to ROB the jobs out of SGeans’ hands in broad daylight by working 24/7 and demanding minimal wages. They have some merits too. Some rightly do so because of the pure force of demand & supply and other economic attributes (cost, productivity relative to cost), etc. well, look @ how Singapore has built its pillar of economic might throughout these years. What does SG has or had to call its own? It doesn’t have any natural resources that other countries have in plenty. It doesn’t even have enough babies to sustain the next population growth. Thus, striving SG today is only sustainable if you have the right mix of both foreign and local population. Then again, this is a free economy and in capitalism, it’s the fittest that survive. In other words, the most price competitive company has most business. How one country survives depends much on how its own products & services are price competitive of course in addition to many other things.

And don’t forget, there is a plus side on FWs here. Because they can be hired for cheaper wages, companies which have a lower overhead cost can make more profit and thus contribute back to society / GDP and it brings multiplier effects. Somebody proves me wrong that these newly built malls ION – 313 etc are built only with SGeans segment as target market (with 4 millions or so non-baby producing families)?? I highly doubt so. In the first place, these can’t be built to this scale if SG economy is not as strong as it is. And the growth of economic might can be attributed to a large portion of FWs and their contributions. In a way, because of the FWs and their relative contribution, we live in a higher standard of living / richer country, but of course, it’s like living in a more posh condo with more people against living in a remote and poorer place with lesser people. There are always pro and con!

Of course no one can resist the sheer force of economic dynamic. Look at how GM failed because it refuses to take account of how Japanese cars are manufactured much cheaper using much cheaper labours. GM is a US national pride but it’s also a failing business!

In a light-hearted note, about people not giving up seats for old people on MRT, well, we should leave that to PCK to do his job!! LOLZ. Good day people.

xxx on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:26 pm

Instead of talking to FT, better try for your country guys (Singaporean).
DO NOT PROUD THAT YOU ARE SINGAPOREAN. JUST PROUD WHAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT IS DONE BY YOU. Just look urself/ourselves.

Commenting and fighting to each other cannot be done anything. Singapore can’t be…. without FT also. Simple!! Coz even Singaporean run away from Singapore.

And also do not blame on Ms. Yin too.. In Myanmar, English is not their mother language and also they didn’t use English daily. But most of them can stand around the world. Why?
For Singaporean, how??? Singaporean teach English only in Primary and Secondary..? What they spoke since childhood.?? English/Chinese, right? Even they spoke since childhood, why they can’t speak English Properly…

But for new generation in Singapore, I noticed that most of them speak in proper English.

SO DUN BOTHER TO EACH OTHER>>> JUST TRY WHAT YOU ARE IN SINGAPORE …

Myanmar on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:27 pm

To singaporean

this post is really funny.
can you all guy (singaporean) speak english well?
Just using the broken language and spoiling the ENGLISH
therefore You All ( singaporean ) Cannot get a good job at other foreign country.
and stay in ur own country and Be the cleaner and sweeper which u prefer

haha

KK on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:27 pm

Singaporeans who wrote comments in this post, please be in mind that we, foreigners, are working or even studying here coz yr companies/schools accepted us and gov allowed us to stay here. So it can be inferred that we already have standard skill sets or even more than that. Yes, there are not talented, low salary foreign workers here but they are also filling up the places where s’porean don’t want to do or can’t do. Furthermore, there are so many foreign worker(even from South East Asia) who are really high executives. When I studies Master Degree in NUS, more than half of our professors and lecturers are Foreigners ( I even haven’t counted Westerners in). And my spouse, while studying Master degree, worked as an English teacher at one language school here. Singapore really doesn’t need Foreign workers anymore???

ksl on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:29 pm

well to review this case, i agree that singapore should not employ those who don’t meet criteria to improve singapore. but singapore does not deserve high command of english either because of singaporeans themselves who don’t understand a high and quick tone especially the tone comes out from asian look people. they think their english is more proper and they don’t try to polish theirs though the other person is correct. here, there will be a question if they understand those who look Europeans? not correctly and fully. but they pretend as if they did. i have an experience with such situation. singaporeans pretend to understand a spanish guy with very poor english while i myself, that was working with europeans and american mostly and was praised for my english by them, was asked by a boss of mine if i speak engrish. i tried not to answer that i don’t speak engrish and i only speak english.

anyways, it is time for all singaporeans to educate themselves with proper english instead of blaming the foreign workers. i am a foreign worker who loves singapore because of its being small and location by the sea. ( i will continue writing when i come back from the movie)

Marius on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:29 pm

I have seen thing kind of flame which is about Singaporeans and Foreign talents.
English is just a language for communication. It has nothing to do with a person’s skills and abilities. There are huge amount of population in this world who can not speak English but they have done wonderful jobs in their life. The author should find some better article to attract visitors.

As far as I see, most of the people in Singapore(including Singaporean),regardless of their nationality can not speak proper English because English is not their mother tongue.

Singapore will always need foreigners as usual. Do not complaint about them. Singapore will always be filled with lots of people(Locals & foreigners) who does not has a good command in English as a lot of people here in Singapore use their native language most of the time. Chinese speaks Chinese. Malay speaks Malay. Indo speaks Indo. Myanmar speaks Burmese most of the time. Therefore, do not point out someone who does not has a good command in English.

She got a job with bad English because her work environment does not need good English. If her working environment need better English, She won’t be able to get that job from the beginning. She lost her job easily because her job is a easy job as it is a simple bookkeeping job. Everybody can take this kind of job easily. Some Pathetic Singaporeans need not to proud for Singaporean ITE cert holder easily take over of the simple job.

I said “Some” Pathetic Singaporeans because not all the Singaporean are thinking like you guys does. I have a lot of Singaporean friends and colleges. We work and live happily together. No one give a damn about this.

I am living as PR in Singapore. There are a lot of things PR can not compare to Citizen because Government gives more favor to Citizen and it is fair enough. All the Government in this world give more favor to their Citizen. If you are Singaporean and no idea of it, I would say that you are an ignorant person. Go and read something better in Government sites for your knowledge. There are a lot of good information for you which are far more better than this rubbish.

Farewell guys

P.S. why fight, do your work and live in peace.

Maung on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:31 pm

Engineering, IT Technology – hire from Europe, India, China and South-East Asia.
Accounting, Finance, Management – hire from China and South-East Asia.
Blue Collar Work – hire from Third Countries.
So, Of course, Where are you? Singaporean?
Like Boys and girls who is rely on their Parents,
Pointing to the Government Policies.
But you are still lucky, your parents is rich.

Cathrine on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:32 pm

That is very simple.

Most Singaporean
don’t want to work 6 days per week,
don’t want to work overtime,
don’t want to work under pressure,
easy to jump another company for difference 50$ in salary.
… so on and they are very choosy.
That is why Employer don’t want to employ those who selfish Singaporean.
Think two way, if you are Employer, do u want to employ those kind of Singaporean.

NoOne on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:39 pm

Aiya!!!
Typical S’porean.
Come on…
Stop day dreaming.
Which boss dont’ want low pay worker.
Pathetic…

leon on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:52 pm

I have worked in a local media company where they hired pinoys as editor, graphic designer and sales and marketing exec. I also know of an established local stock broking firm which hire Pinoy as fund manager and a PRC who can barely speak proper English as an investment analyst. These are good jobs that many Singaporean graduates wants to do but yet are taken up by foreigners.

myanmarpyithar on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:52 pm

That depends on persons’ skills only… not relevant with nationality.. if u have more quaility, u should pay more… there is no excuse…

admin on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:56 pm

Hi Stephen and all,

The information about Ms Yin was obtained from a Straits Times article yesterday:

http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapore/Story/STIStory_477063.html

“Myanmar national Yin Yin Oo, 26, who has been an accounts executive in Singapore for more than a year, said she was at the ‘intermediate’ level in reading and writing, but needed help with spoken English, so she signed up for the classes at the community club.”

The facts are published as they were from The Straits Times. We did not change or add anything. Please give your feedback directly to the ST journalist Ang Yiying for being immature and unprofessional.

The gist of this article is simply to highlight the fact that the ruling party has allowed many foreigners to come and work in Singapore on S-passes when these jobs can easily be filled by locals.

The ruling party keeps telling us that we have to import foreigners to work in sectors shunned by locals like building HDB flats and MRT lines, but with due respect to Ms Yin – her job as an “accounts executive” can easily be filled by any Singaporean.

It is not against any particular country or nationality. Please read the article carefully in its entirety before jumping to the wrong conclusion.

Hope that clarifies.

Thet Aung on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 5:56 pm

If this is media, tell public the truth. The truth is Singaporeans are stupid. Does any of Singaporeans won Nobel Prize. Do Singaporeans have long history and culture. Not only Myanmar but also there are other countries people don’t speak well English like main land Chinese, Thai. Why target only Myanmar, because Myanmar are smart and so you are scared. Isn’t admin or editors.

Josu on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:04 pm

ေစာ္ကားလွခ်ည္လား
ေသခ်ာမသိပဲမေျပာပါနဲ႕

qussl3 on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:08 pm

The crux of the problem isnt whether there are too many foreigners competing with locals, it is that Singaporean leadership has be unwilling or unable to move away from cost competition to innovation.

As a result to maintain our competitive advantage, we seek to reduce cost, and to generalize somewhat – labor cost is usually both a major cost component AND easy to “optimize”.

Singapore’s pro FT policy is grounded in economic and demographic necessity borne from static economic policy and falling birth rates – consequence of both effective population control policies of yesteryear and rising affluence.

As Singapore’s native population is approaching demographic inversion akin to the Japanese condition, our government has no choice but to encourage immigration out of the economic necessity of supporting domestic asset prices to address the social necessity of sufficient perceived wealth to fund retirements and spending.

Eventually Singaporeans will acknowledge the social and economic necessity of population growth through immigration, but because of the poor execution of that policy today (I will not address this here, the anecdotal evidence is plain to see in the comments above), policy makers and bureaucrats may have permanently created a wedge between native Singaporeans and new citizens.

Devil on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:17 pm

I agree with the term …no skills except complain

such brainless guys..you all should think every effects will have their respective causes. Singapore guys I left this to consider on your own. stop nonsense shouting and blaming other.

Can?
Ok Mah?
Ok lar.I tell you already…
sorry let me use your best language lar.
wtf..rofl..

Josu on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:19 pm

Although you mentioned the article, the title is very embarrassed to Myanmar. This showed that the Singaporean do not have a standard mind. Their minds are same as the lower educated people. I understood like this.

Fée on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:32 pm

what !! with poor command of ENGLISH working as “accounts executive” in Singapore. Are you talking about who speaks ENGLISH among people who speak SINGLISH?!

Are you thinking ENGLISH and SINGLISH are the same?

Are you thinking you could conclude someone’s ENGLISH level with your SINGLISH level?

you gone…

kk on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:39 pm

hello. someday in the near future,singapore will live under the sea cos of global warming. at that time we will be very warmly welcome singaporians to work as s-pass worker in our country.
all singaporians should start learning other regional language other than english.
bye bye.

goondu on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:41 pm

TR,
The title of your article was not ‘professional’. We are unhappy with the current living conditions, but that’s was bring to us by our incompetent leaders in failure to ‘have a better judgement’ in implementing the ‘open-door’ policies.

The subject in your article should be encouraged for taking whatever opportunities granted to her to upgrade. Unfortunately the title tells otherwise.

We are unhappy with the current ’skyrocketing’ of our ‘affordable’ public housing, however we must know the root cause of that problem, and we should resolve that ‘gentlemanly’ rather than barking at the wrong tree.

mydaydream on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:48 pm

What the hell the writer is saying? There are lots of Chinese workers who cant speak English as fluent as Myanmar. The Chinese waitresses cant understand even ‘pls bring me a spoon’!!!!

There may be some Myanmar who can’t communicate with Singaporeans but that is not only their fault but also the weird Singlish.

There are more and more foreign workers in Singapore because SINGAPOREANS are very picky of job types. There are lots of jobs which are not able to attract locals so that there are more and more foreign employees in Singapore.

Don’t insult any other countries by only some facts.

mydaydream on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:51 pm

(The ruling party keeps telling us that we have to import foreigners to work in sectors shunned by locals like building HDB flats and MRT lines, but with due respect to Ms Yin – her job as an “accounts executive” can easily be filled by any Singaporean.)

yeah, her job may be replaced by any Singaporeans but no Singaporeans show their interest to this job because of salary.

ei on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 6:57 pm

Learning is a necessary thing for our life. And poor English speaking is a temporary problem for her. I believe that the reason of joining English speaking class is to communicate more effectively in future.

Douglas on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:03 pm

The problem. It is easily solved.Pass the law to pay the immigrant fairly -the same as the local for any comparable job .
So the immigrants will be priced out of the job market and go home.
And singapore will be happy again. won’t it ?

M on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:06 pm

hey,

without us , there is no singapore. Think carefully, who built Singapore as a small fishing village…

Douglas on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:26 pm

Oh, have a heart.This girl only said she works as an ”accounts executive”, so that she would be accepted
into the ”Singlish ”class. She probably works as a much exploited house maid (meaning, slave for some not too-well-to do loud mouthed Singaporean family with 4 children and two Grand parents.)

Ladyslayer88 on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:36 pm

\\\Myanmar national with poor command of English working as “accounts executive” in Singapore///

I have viewed all the comments!
You, Singaporeans, have been narrow minded (kiasu)
We are speaking English while you all are on Singlish!
We are working our ass off while you are just relaxing at your house!
We set our own values and so, there’s no need to complain but you gotta try hard , Singaporeans. got that?

stuper on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:37 pm

Who are the real singaporeans ?
Are there one ?

Alamak !
I hit the red spot!

Douglas on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:39 pm

I cannot understand what the fuss is all about regarding a woman enrolling herself in a class to improve her communication skill in a language not of her mother’s tongue – be it, English or Singlish.
Does it matter if she is a doctor ,accountant ,nurse or a house maid.In UK there are English classes for ENGLISH people to help them learn better ENGLISH.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:46 pm

The problem is here. The Government bring in cheap foreigner workers in all sectors and at all skilled level replacing Singaporeans. Once displaced THEY CANNOT GET BACK INTO CIRCULATION AS FOREIGNER EMPLOYS ONLY FOREIGNERS TO PREVENT SINGAPOREANS FROM COMING BACK IN AGAIN IN COMPETITION.

The only practical solution now is to force employer to pay foreigners the same pay as they pay locals and reduced the foreign quotas in the work place to less than 20% AS COMNPARED TO 80% FOR SINGAPORE CITIZENS.

That way employers will be forced to rehire locals. The experience in Australia proved that.

IMMIGRATION FOR SKILLED EMPLOYMENT FOR FOREIGNERS FELL IMMEDIATELY BY 50% ONCE EMPLOYER IS FORCED TO PAY TEMPORARY FOREIGN WORKERS ON VISA 457 THE SAME RATE AS THE LOCAL.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/temporary-skilled-migration-halved-20100111-m2o9.html

The question is – WILL THE SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT GOT THE BALLS TO IMPLEMENT THIS POLICY??

VOTE THEM OUT IF YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO OPPRESS ITS OWN CITIZENRY.

DOES ANY SINGAPOREANS DISAGREE WITH ME????

Douglas on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:54 pm

Oh , Chairman of a famous Swiss bank in London couldn’t speak a word of English either.He doesn’t need to.

MYO HAN HTUN on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:10 pm

Language? or Ethic? .. Singaporeans .. show more for your ethical communication rather than language communication.

According to what I see and read your native Singaporeans’ comments are very disgusting and are not ethical. Even the news itself has no ethic because her name was mentioned. She is not a criminal.

Be smart. Show your ethic.

Sam Tan on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:36 pm

No noble prize for Singaporeans and so does Myanmar.

We do not long history and culture and we’re aint exactly proud about yours too even you do have some history and culture.

We don’t do genocide.

We do not go to other countries demanding what’s not ours
beacause we only defend and demand what is rightfully ours.

We were never a fishing village.

MYANMAR on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:47 pm

OH……..really a mad man whose write this letter. Check it out 1st, who raise up the Singapore. who support to Sg…lets say among the foreigners are skilled,cheap and hard working than local. So that all the employer are want to offer foreigner. If SG have brave kick out all foreigners see what will happen in SG. All Singaporeans can raise up their country or not….. Singapore like as the orchid and need to absorb the manpower, skill power and thinking power from the foreigner only. So that definitely Singapore Economy are depends on the foreigner. Among all of the foreigners MYANMAR is more skillful and every working fields you can find MYANMAR….MYANMAR why come and work in SG….bec of their Government… The SG and Singaporeans like as a dog which is bite to his boss….So stupid editor and writer, before you choose the Topic you need to think about yourself first and what is your skill…..Let me know all Singaporean can speak well in English……everytime I heard that evrywhere they use “HAWKIN” language only…
I want to invite all of the Singaporean to my country and want to give them one thinking what is Myanmar, whose is MYANMAR,WHERE MYANMAR….You all use our brain,our skill and now to bite to us….You will go down to hell………………Shameless Singapore…………..

Green on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:55 pm

Damn S’porean, how dare you insult as others courtry is poor & low-standard? Think of your own self, S’porean are lazy and not hard-working. No wonder you all are unemployed. Myanmar people are more smart and sharp than your dull citizen. It’s not because of their gov, they don’t come to your tiny island.

J on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:56 pm

If you guys would actually read the article a few times before rushing to hit the submit comment button, you would realise that TR is criticizing the immigration policy, not the lady mentioned. She just happens to be from Myanmar. Yes, it’s not absolutely 100% essential to mention she is, but hey it’s the ST who published the info, and frankly it was apparent from her name anyway.

The article title is purely factual. There is nothing libelous or slanderous about it. Saying it puts Myanmar nationals in a bad light is simply the same old political correctness that we’re all sick and tired of.

TR didn’t say she was not qualified or her skills suck, what it said was that her skill set is not unique, and many locals could qualify. As for not being able to find work in any other first world country (not that I consider Singapore first world anyway), that is harsh but true. Most first world countries protect their lower skilled workers, and if you aren’t even fluent in English, the global language, most doors will just not open to you.

And Joshua, you’re really cute, you know? You are a professional journalist, and you couldn’t even read between the lines? I am fully supportive of your intent to denounce the writer, editors, publisher of the Straits Times, and demand they retract their piece and issue a public apology. After all, if you have the guts to leave a comment on an Internet website, surely you have the guts to write in to the state controlled paper with your full name.

But the greatest irony of all is the crowds of our foreign friends that suddenly gathered to defend their countrywoman. Answer this after all your nationalistic fury has died down.

You guys choose to come to our little disneyland with the death penalty, work here and pay taxes to a government who sells weapons to your junta, provides medical treatment to them, and even names our national flower after one of the top brass, giving them more power and time to oppress your people. Isn’t what you are doing, far far worse?

Joan on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:57 pm

Why FTs (PR) can afford to pay highly price HDB or private houses? Because they are earning more than the locals.
Imaged we going to their country and buy their landed… and outcast their people.

win on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 8:58 pm

hello friend ,

are you ok ? you think , all singaporeans is very well for english speaking? we know about it. you think , your very well for english ? i ‘m think you useing english is sing english only . do you know that?

Be careful Singaporean! on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:04 pm

Dear the author,

Please be very careful of your topic title. You should not make an attack to specific nationality if you are polite Singaporean and if you want to include your own Singapore into the first world. Be calm first and think carefully the following facts;

(1) Why Singapore Government allows many foreigners to work in Singapore is that Singapore cannot stand only with Singaporeans. Please try to run Singapore industries with zero foreigner. Then, Singapore will disappear at once from the world map.

(2) Once more, many companies in Singapore wanna employ only to Foreigners in their farm. Don’t think of the low wage first. Many higher educated foreigners ,including Myanmar Nationalities that you want attack, can earn great salaries than Singaporeans. Ok? So, company bosses like foreigners because they are polite in their jobs, they work effectively and they pay respect to their managers. Where is this single kind of thing in Singaporean? Singaporeans always try to complain if there is any tired job.

(3) Once more, don’t look only at the foreigners working in your country. Many Singaporeans are working outside of Singapore. Once I read in the newspaper that one Singaporean prostitute was killed in America. Go and read it back in the news that was not so long ago. Your Singaporeans are such funny prostitutes who wanna blame to other nationalities??

(4) And one more, many Singaporean girls are fucked by Europeans everyday, every night in the clubs, in the hotels. Do you think your Singapore is in the first world?? So funny!

If you are higher standard Singaporean, don’t try to attack Myanmar Nationalities and other nationalities. Try to behave as an educated person. If you still continue blaming such a stupid thing, you show yourself you are not educated person, your Singapore school produced as an unqualified person. OK?

Good bye.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:16 pm

@ Douglas on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 7:54 pm

You gave a VERY POOR EXAMPLE of an “incompetent” banker unfit for his/her role perhaps UNLESS THE CEO is backed by a team of expert managers who are fluent in English and Swiss language to advise him on a major lending operating decision.

Can you imagine a banker making a A$50 million dollar advance against a forward hedging contract position yet to be matured and that banker NOT knowing English language applied in contractual terms understand the accounting (and financial risk) implications of those transactions like this example.

http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page67?oid=95124&sn=Detail

If you were in that role and receiving no advice from competent knowledge source, would you dare to sign a A$2 billion loan for an oil development contract against forward hedging?

Likewise, for an accountant, if you got no command of English language, how do you understand the accounting application and treatment of financial accounting finalisation for auditing purposes any issue that “has arisen as to whether or not its accounting treatment can adequately satisfy all hedge effectiveness requirements under accounting procedure AASB 139 for its silver and lead hedging contracts” as appertained to Perilya Mines Ltd as it accountant???????.

And you can’t read English properly and I put in front of you the accounting manual from AASB, do you know exactly what AASB 139 required of you as an accountant needing to fulfil your job responsibility accurately and responsibly and satisfying audit requirements.

YOU ARE CLUELESS!!

So certain jobs definitely require English Language and good command of it.

If you are a CEO and you are well advised by a team of managers, you are still at risks of being fooled and conned by your managers. Remember the Baring Bank collapse helped by Nick Leeson? A WHOLE BUNCH OF MANAGERS GOT FOOLED.And if you don’t know English Language as a banker CEO, it is a lot easier to fool you this dumbass!

bert on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:44 pm

all these mynamas posting here really write with xxx-up english. may be the only words they understood is

J on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:46 pm

Furthermore, I hope all of you realise the absurdity of using ‘we are employed, and you are not, therefore we are better’ as an argument, because the very point of contention IS that employment odds are stacked against locals.

admin on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:46 pm

Hi all,

Please engage in a civil discussion here without using vulgarities or we will have no choice but to start censoring your comments soon.

aung on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:54 pm

please don’t talk too much….before u can compare to others…
if u all have great skill,how come your country need FT.
i don’t say all your people are not good,some are really good
but,mathematically,75% are bad….and then you all can learn in higher education than others country in South East Asia. So, why do you all need to afraid of FT ??
Is there anyone who give me the reasonable answer?
If you all can build your country by yourself,please shut your country door.

Myo Zarni on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:04 pm

haha . hey SINGAPOREANS!!! This sounds like your English is so much impressive. hahaha only F*king stupid people on earth says English Language with “Lah…. Lah .. .Lah”.

Myo Zarni on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:06 pm

and of course, this article is published based in Singapore. If they do so in a civilised western country, hey author!!! just prepare for a good fortune to pay for the damages. LMAO!!!!

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:08 pm

Every administrative, management or accounting job will have amongst its selection criteria – excellent communication skills. That means both oral and written communication skills and in an English-speaking business world, it is likely to be command of English Language. If anyone unable to fulful this requirement is likely to find himself or herself in a lesser role of an accounts assistant reporting to an accountant who are able to read, understand and apply accounting pronouncement from AASB or whatever accounting body’s standards pronouncements.

It is therefore NOT surprising that given the acknowledged lack of strong English Language role, Ms. Yin found her role a little lesser than that of an accountant. And that role could have been fulfilled by a Singaporean national EXCEPT THAT THE SINGAPOREAN NATIONAL MIGHT DEMAND A HIGHER PAY THAN MS. Yin. A flood of immigrants depressed wage level for local and also deprived local of a job opportunity which could last forever. Not everyone born in Singapore can be an accountant – same as Ms Yin but Singaporean deprived of this opportunity has no option abroad to find this job!!!

And this is THEREFORE a matter of GRAVE immigration issue, not a personal issue as J correctly pointed out.

Guru on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:12 pm

Donot forget your real life s’porean.
Nothing of natural resources
most of assesst here are from those 3rd country ( money laundry business )
anytime singapore back to square if PAP no more control
Don’t be too proud.

master on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:22 pm

I think those sgrean here are unemployeed. so foreign guys,… please hire them to serve when you set up a small biusiness (eg.any samll stall in food court.)

I have some sgreans fri who are graduated from Uni never talk about foreigner before.They are kinda decent too. I belive all country will have either bad people or good people.
So I think those who are shouting here have no more job to work.
Don worry jobless guy,s here sg have a lot of food courts… you guys can be waiters or cleaners. Instead of blaming skifull qualified foreigners, you should give an adive to the Authority to abandon self-service in public food courts. Then , you guys can have more job opportunities to become a waiter. But the thing is you need to be polite. So from now on, please practice to be polite. Care your mouth. Get your life there. Your seniors have already shown the way you have to be.
Need not to have that serious worry, haha…

Eagle Eyes on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:23 pm

My dear Singaporean family…. we are upset with PAP govt FTs policy, NOT at individuals ( Not at our fellow Bro & Sis Burmese, Indonesian, PRC or India Indians, Bangla etc)
They are here at the invitation of PAP govt… who open its door to bring in cheap labour at our expense. I dont blame them for coming here to earn a living & sent money home to their family. I blame our govt for all that is happening here. The 10 million we could put to better used.
Burmese Bro & Sis … lets not abuse each other…. lets wait for the coming election results to see if PAP change its FTs policy …. cut down emp visa & work permit etc, HDB for Sporean only

citizenofSG on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:36 pm

I am a true blue Singapore citizen. If it is ever possible, I would apologize to our Myanmar nationals on behalf of all Singaporean.

Let me put it that Myanmar nationals have never done anything wrong to cause them to be disrespected by any Singaporean. No good and proper human being should look down on others.

Singaporean has the good fortune of being blessed and boomed into a first world country. Myanmar people has suffered immensely under the present regime and many had died trying to get back to democracy. If I still have a bowl of rice i will share it with them because they are truly people in the suffering.

However I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. The article is not against foreigners or Myanmar people per se. It is more on the pride of Singapore people betrayed by our government. The government is always stressing on meritocracy and the best people should get the job is hurting the pride of our own people. What our government is doing is telling her people that they are not good enough? Maybe you are right, we sucks. However let me assure you that after the next election, the suckers will get out of office with tails between their legs. Our government is not totally honest with us, they are not open to us and deceived us. If they wish to give jobs to foreigner, they must at least have a solution to our own jobless people.

No heart feeling, our family matter just become an open matter due to miscommunication.

justice.judge on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:36 pm

Hi all, i found some crap words. How come singaporean said that we r assholes? So polite. Cool singaporean. Showing ya` all standard. Ya` all want ur jobs back? Did we rob ur jobs from ya’ all? How come? R we rebels? Life is struggling. Need to struggle. Ya` all can’t do and complaining. So sad. Even insult ur own government. Haha. Lousy! Ya’ all want to get job without competition? How come? That’s why employers dun want to recruit ya’ all. Dun u still know? So poor. Like others said, if u dun want FT in ur country, just try to improve urself and kick them out. It’s the best way. Like i said, keep breath, eat more and say less. I didn’t put “Word hard”. Coz this word is not for ya` all. Sry about that. Coz ya` all dun want to work hard but complaining.

Nyein on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:41 pm

Ok …As a Myanmar , I don’t say bad things to you who worte that article….But What’s your real purpose? You wanna degrade Myanmar people or something! Anyhow you know what you meant. First and foremost, you need to survey how many Singaporeans can speak standard English. We all envy Singapore Education.We don’t have bad view on Singapore.However before pointing at others’ weakness,what you should do is to listen to your heart.In this global village you needn’t feel that way anymore. A question please.Why do Singaporean migrate to America?
Why are you speaking English? And what is it for?

talknonsense on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:42 pm

The truth is that ultimately you,the foreign,or rather,GUEST workers are here to make a livig that you most likely can never,at least at this moment,in your own countries.
But,say some years later,your countries become more prosperous than tiny singapore-mind you we have only ONE resorce,and sadly,that is LABOUR-and our impoverished young but well qualified workers go over to your counties and PRICE you out of the market just like what you are effectively doing now,how would you feel if you have familes to feed and mortgages to pay?
This selfish game only benefits ONE CLASS of people,i.e, the rich and powerful…they are laughing their way to the bank thinking how silly we all are.One day,the bosses in your countries would do likewise and i can FORCAST-like LKY-that you
will not like it and may even be LESS GRACIOUS than all we displaced singaporeans.
This world’s rich and powerful has gotten much richer at the expens of one class of peoples throughout the whole wolrd and that is people like you and us,the common workers.
So,before you add more salt to our wounds which you are right to say that were caused by our “smart’ GAOVERNMENT,please spare a thought for common singaporeans and their families.
Just think and be grateful,even in our own hardships,sinagporeans still generously DONATE to your homelands as and when your peoples are faced with natural disasters.
May ‘the HEAVENS’ bless us all.

ID on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 10:57 pm

Whoa, what a storm!

Can’t resist the temptation to add to it.

I find it funny that our Myanmar friends find it necessary to attack Singaporeans especially when they work here. After all, isn’t it like biting the hand that feeds you?

Apart from very few, the singaporean comments and TR’s article are mainly targeted at MIW. They opened up the door for all to come it. I am sure if our Myanmar friends think about it, if they were in our shoes, they will also be against this huge influx of foreigners.

Honestly, sometimes I feel I am a stranger in my own country in some areas…

bert on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:05 pm

these stupid mynamas keep going around in circles asking why this why that with their screwed-up english. shit. really a waste of time dealing with these idiots. how many times got to do this, wtf.

hey mynamas, you are here not here because you are good at anything. it is because we have a fucked-up pee-a-pee government just like the junta you have in your slumland. you mynamas are just selfish and arrogant, and becoming lazier and fussy as you enjoy the benefits here.

Eagle Eyes on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:10 pm

I agree with ‘ID’ point. But lets not sway frm the point they are here bcoz of PAP policy… which PAP will regret soon !!!!

Goven on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:11 pm

such a pathetic narrow minded people. I wanna ask you one question have you ever seen Sg NDP Video. Sg now become no man’s land . See the NDP poster ,listen the NDP Songs.it is a multicultural. Don’t your anscestors remind you where are you come from. R u the aboriginal tribes ????.

you (I don’t mean all ) are just the western addicted people who hate their origins. Even if western people kick you from your chair, you wont even dare to look back them. I guess you will be rubbing their shoes with your hand.
What a lousy attitude. Siily Pity Sg Guys

PS: I mean those who concerned only

Sally on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:12 pm

It’s quite amusing to read how, we Singaporean speaks “weird Singlish” while none of them Burmese who post a comment could
string a proper sentence!

Change must come on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:18 pm

Much of the emotions displayed on this thread is misplaced.

The fault is Singapore Government’s mismanagement of the economy AND mismanagement of its migration policies. The compounded impact of these two failures is diplacements of Singaporeans from jobs by foreigners which local could do. Their adverse impact harmed a lot of Singaporeans and naturally angered many of us.

The solution lies with policy changes which can only be achieved by CHANGING THE GOVERNMENT IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE.

SINGAPOREANS MUST ALL UNITE AND BOOT OUT THIS GOVERNMENT AND FACE THE FUTURE BRAVELY WITH OR WITHOUT FOREIGN PARTICIPATION IN OUR ECONOMY OF OUR OWN ELECTION AND ON OUR OWN TERMS, NOT FOREIGN DICTATING TO US.

Please pass this change messages around to all fellow Singaporeans via cyberspace network. The more Singaporeans get to hear the TR’s message and its bloggers, the easier for us to vote collectively for decisive change.

Alex Tan is definitely right and good for us all.

anonymous on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:19 pm

They spend effort to improve their language. After a while, they become better. Foreign students who don’t know English can buck up and end up good. Some even best English speaking classmates.

I see many Singaporean Chinese give up their mandarin. They don’t put in effort because they are so comfortable in English. The difference makes me sad.

Goven on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:20 pm

haha ID who said they feed us. We are selling our service here just like travelled traders.
You can only think that limit. may be you are compare us with yourself. I wich you don try to bite your gov (authority) who they are feeding you.

Have a nice life 4ever.

kyawswa on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:41 pm

Hi admin,

better delete all comments and the article
ppl should’t waste time over disputing a stupid matter

I’m really upset judging our people over any background
pls dun make things so mess up(this is a first world country)
It’s just an article
I love Burma and I don’t hate Singapore.

Hi Smart Singaporean ,
Please dun hate FT. this is your PAP policy. PAP a lot means to Singapore. love FT. Be competent….

qussl3 on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:44 pm

To the Myanmese posters here, here any of you read the article?

I agree the title is somewhat inflammatory but nowhere does it state there Myanmese workers are inferior or otherwise, what it does do is make the assumption that the job Ms Yin now occupies can be filled by a local – albeit at a higher wage.

Yes it is true that some Singaporeans are “picky”, however one must understand that there are distinct cost of living differences between an itinerant worker and a citizen taxpayer, chiefly being the need to save for retirement here where the cost of living is orders of magnitude higher and housing costs.

Understand that labor policy regarding foreign workers in Singapore is as lax as it gets in a first world nation – at the expense of the domestic workforce.

Unless you happen to work in the banking/finance, legal or accounting sectors – it is exceedingly likely that you have been hired simply because you are cheaper than the average Singaporean.

Our government has opened the doors wide for you to enjoy a better life here than you would have had back home, yet you insist on coming here to mock those that suffer as a consequence of such policy, who are the ones that lack decorum and propriety?

MkZ on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:45 pm

Dear All,
it is really good to read a open forum on this matter. I hope all of you (sgean) have heard of one proverb ‘Cause and Effect”. There is an effect because there is a root cause. Foreigners migrate your country and work here. Because your country is small. only you singaporean can not fulfill the labor demand in your country. That is why we have a chance to work here. if your country really doesn’t need us (foreigners), there is no reason for us to come and work here. Actually, it is just a “win-win solution”. In fact, you need us. Of course, we need you also. because your gvt invite the foreign company and convince to invest in your country. so they need talent. To my knowledge, sg is small country. i don’t think there are enough talents to fulfill the demand. I don’t say sgpean are not talents enough. You know, in this world, that is no such country with all citizens are talents. i agree there are some locals that are really goods in skill. but not all. so you still need foreigners to fulfill this demand. May be some are talents; some are skill workers in different sectors. Of course, there may be some cases that employers choose foreigners rather than sgpean because of cheaper payment. I hope you will agree it is a nature. Let’s say if there are 2 persons that can do the same task, i am sure the employer will choose the cheaper one. but the singapore gvt give a lot of chance to locals although they create some competitions bet locals and foreigners. There is a lot of subsidy for locals. for example, schools tution fee, subsidy for buying housse, etc. there may be some more that i don’t know. So the most important thing is that you have to try your best. We cant get this chance. But we don’t hope for that also. I am an engr at a M.N.C. some sgpean engr who are the same position as me get more pay. I am performing the same task as he does. But i get a lower pay. But it is ok for me because you are locals. you should get a better chance. So instead of keep complaining about the foreigners, it will be better to find the way to sustain the ‘win-win solution’ for you and us.

Thank you very much,
MKZ

senior citizen on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:57 pm

seatown – pot calling the kettle black?

theinzaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:00 am

Why Singapore need the real “Talent” ?

There is only one answer.

It don’t have enough the Human Resource who are capable to handle the professional level.

So, look at you level before you post to blame to other foreigners.

Yes. English language skill is important for communication.

Do you think with this lip skill that can carried out all kinds of work.

If yes,what type of job that only use mouth skill?

neo on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:02 am

Sorry.. Those so called S-Pass holder from Myanmar and Indian have Degree compare to Singaporean who only have Diploma. The only reason they are S pass because of low pay salary which cannot apply higher status such as EP. If I will the owner of company I will hire the Degree with low pay than Diploma with high pay. Company owner are not idiot . But you Singaporean are dump enough to troll and crying like a noob for a job that took by someone who is higher than you. Please point a finder to yourself and look at before pointing out to others.. If you have what it take to be good than why anybody can steal your job?

panaslayer09 on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:02 am

Imm, all the things written here are rubbish! I think, Singaporean also a bit psycho. Coz, they just have so-called ‘the red dot’. hee hee! And nothing else. So, they also don’t have much topics to worry.

Come on, let’s start the blame game with so-called ‘forengn talent’. lolz…. All the comments and netizens have admitted that motto in above posts.

Actually, you guys are eating all the import from foreign country. Even the drinking water comes from M’sia. LOLz!
They don’t have nothing to proud. NO HISTORY.
Yes, they have good economy. I have to admit.
Other than that? Nothing else!!! ROFL.
The main problem is your mindset. Ok? Don’t think too far like ‘no vote for PAP.’ & foreigners rob S’poreans’ jobs.
If here’s no PAP, who will govern? Do you think other leader could bring SG to this level and could maintain clean government?
Yes, PAP is not so nice! Anyway, we can say they did good things and still doing good compare to our neighbours with unstable governments.

Umm, another topic is national service. Anyway, I’ve heard of so many singaporean complaints about NS. Singapore is too small. So, NS should have. We have to accept that Singaporean doesn’t love their very own mother land. Guys and girls! you must admit that!!!

Ok, Singaporean people here are not skillful to migrant First world countries. (Come on! Don’t say Singapore is first country. That’s call ‘Nuts’. We all know that! Don’t be sissy.) Only one thing they can do is ‘do the blame game’ to shake off their panic and so-called no-pride nationalism… ROFL…

observe on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:02 am

Stop complaining, Singaporeans.

Our English may begin not very good, but we has high IQ and are hardworking.

This is a open job market, the best people win.

flyboy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:04 am

One thing we can learn from here is that we must prove who we are and try to show them how smart we are.

Pure Burmese on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:08 am

Hi Admin,

I admit that myanmar people here are poor english language compare with Singaporean. Ok so why Singaporean cannot fight with poor english people to get job? is there any wrong with their technical skill?
Every boss want to hire strong skill. Please tell me what kind of boss want to hire poor skill with low salary to make their company become worst? What kind of boss hire talkative people who has good speaking language without any skill? Please advice
Please try to ask yourself about your technical skill if you are very hard to find job in Singapore. Don’t complain to other people if you are not perfect. Thank you.

theinzaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:14 am

Yes, Try to compete with other ability such as hard working, continuous learning, thinking power other than that highlighted communication skill.

If you were boss, whom will be selected between Singaporean & foreigner at equal level? Company can pay at least 500 to Singaporean more than others. Do you think all Company owners don’t look Singapore interest.

Think about more profit margin, Singapore will get more tax and can built more infrastructures.

Don’t think Singapore is perfectly developed country to compare Western ones.

Douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:16 am

Oh, not just A Swiss CEO, there are few German and even chinese CEO working in London, couldn’t care less about learning English either.Of course they are backed by a team.Why blame the poor girl who wants to learn , she han’t got a team behind her, or has she ?

bert on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:16 am

all these mynama dogs, when their interest is at stake, they will start to bark and howl in unison to justify their miserable existence. no use having a nobell prise ang san suki back home which cannot help them. ha ha.

hey mynamas, get this into your numb skull. you are here not because you are good at anything. it is because we have a fucked-up pee-a-pee government just like the junta you have in your slumland. you mynamas are just selfish and arrogant, and becoming lazier and fussy as you enjoy the benefits here.

panaslayer09 on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:17 am

Umm, people are blaming each other and pointing fingers. Like playing volleyball.
The main problem is your mindset.
Singaporean (not all) are a bit bitchy and so sissy.
Yes, I’m also singaporean. But, I don’t feel foreigners rob our jobs.
As long as you know what you are doing, where you are going and doing your best at every moment,…
So, Let’s stop the blame game!

It’s quite sad and awful to read those kinds of comments.

We have to admit that our Singlish sucks! (you may need guts to admit that.) I have encountered before when I sent sms in singlish to phillipine colleague, he joked me.

Stop blaming each other and try your rice bowl to be steel bowl. Don’t panic if you are skillful enough!!! No one can rob our jobs as long as we are the best in the league. Change your mindset you fellow Singaporean.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:24 am

HAHA! These Myanmese are asking for trouble telling us to “F-off” in our own country. So far, we are nice enough to accomodate them and letting them making a living here which no doubt, will make them very very rich when they go back to Myanmar. Instead of thanking us, they are now asking to “F-off”??? What a joke…. sorry bros, I can’t take this. I need to reply to some of these idiots.

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Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:29 am

To Myanmese idiots who posted here,

If you want to use vulgarities on us Singaporeans, pls come to http://www.3in1kopitiam.com or go directly to:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages

This forum permits vulgarities. Many Singaporean bros would love to “welcome” you there.

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Douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:30 am

Ref. bert on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 11:37 pm
Dear Bert,
if you want to call others stupid, at least get your Grammar right.!

A Burmease Nationality on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:30 am

It is not worth for us to fight a war because of this article. The writer only wants to point out some facts what Singapore Government did in the past. This is just a political issue between them.

For me, I have to praise the writer for choosing a right victim. He took a poor Myanmar lady as his victim purposely. He even dares to describe her name as a criminal in his article. If he took other nationalities, for example China PR or Thailand, you all know what will happen next.

All I have to say is the writer has no journalist ethic. This is totally discrimination in nationalities. Singapore Government should take an action on it. I am really surprise that famous media like Straits Times described such kind of article in their newspaper. They should take responsibility for all bad consequences happened between Myanmar Nationalities and Singaporeans.

kyawtun on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:33 am

Actually Singaporeans are very lucky & not treasure their government what they done for them. Anything want to complain and point out to other.ICA set up the rule for all foreigner to work in here does not simply as you think.How difficult to equalization the foreigners and local stay/work together from diff countries ,races & religious.
If you are working in other country, someone treat you like this,will you or your family happy?
Do you think that monthly earning $1600 can save $500? If so, why not S’preans can save more $ for their family since they have a lot of subsidiary? Please dont look down to others.I always heard in my office, someone said that tomorrow will go take MC. Those pity worker can allow to do so.
Ms Yin try to attend the class is so called update herself, not bad thing.
My opinion is just used the foreigner, shouldn’t mentioned detail.

theinzaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:35 am

* Try to get the long-term view that your elders can foresee.

* Try to collect the knowledge and skill in additional to the lip skill.

* Try to adhere to Singapore once you become competent and replace that foreigners.Don’t run away to the richer countries.

* Try to pay the standard salary all employee without classifying race and nationality, if you become the superior one.

senior citizen on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:36 am

Foreigners – don’t be too gleeful. Singaporeans are not stupid like you think. You are hired because you are cheap. There lots of citizens who are over qualified for the posts which you filled. We don’t blame you, we blame our government. We will tell them in the next GE. For sure.

I used to work in an SME where 75% of the workforce are foreigners. The workforce is so huge but the productivity is so low. A piece of work which could be done in a week, gets dragged on for ages. I left because I could stand it no more. Part of the problem lies in the inability of the foreigners to understand or write proper English.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:41 am

> Nay: Ok, let’s talk about our country (Myanmar). I believe, you all will know about our country is poor country. Our gov is the worst gov in the world. But, we can try and fight with all of you from these difficult situations.

We are letting you working here in Singapore earning our nice S$ and you want to “fight” us?

> On the other hand, you have been living and learning education with full facilities more than us (MM ppl). Why we can’t compete with us? Find yourself the solution.

You can’t compete with yourselves? You lost me there, Nay. Perhaps you should attend some English classes too.

> Si: Our foreigner look like gardeneer. we cant get good thing except low salaries. We try hard and so cheap.

Oh c’mon, please do not make yourself sound so pitiful. The money you are earning now is several times that of a professor’s in your own country!

> JOSHUA (BURMAVJ): I also read all the comments by Singaporeans, their worried on the foreign workers show that the Singaporean labor industry is NOT competent. They are scared. Cheers my Burmese buddies from Singapore.

Well, JOSHUA, since you put it that way, yes, we are scared. We are scared that our own salaries will be further depressed if we let more of your kind into Singapore. I think I must write to PM Lee to ask him stop renewing your work passes when they expired.

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Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:44 am

> PP: Have u got any idea how “She has been working in Singapore as an “accounts executive” for over a year.” Why her boss paid SGD for over a year.

HAHA! Some SME bosses hire foreign girls into their companies not necessary for work, if you get what I mean

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:55 am

> Shin Ye Htut: It’s not so difficult to see that we rely on each other. We need Singapore as much as Singapore needs Foreign talent.

Yes, we need talents but frankly I see too many “fake” talents among foreigners. I can speak for the IT industry cause we do employ IT programmers from time to time. If you are talking about Myanmese, except for those who went through our Polys and local Universities, those who graduate directly from your Yangon Univ are completely not usable. How do we know? Cause we apply our own programming tests to weed out the candidates. Those who graduated from their Myanmese univs performed even worse than our local poly grads!

> Because of Singapore, we can live near your country and support our families.

Good for you and while you are here, please behave yourself. There are many angry Singaporeans these days but our Govt has chosen not to talk about it. If you have a job in Singapore, be thankful. Many Singaporeans are out of jobs these days.

> Because of Foreign workers, Singapore industries are unbeatable in performance and many other things even compare to other first world countries.

You are wrong. Yes, our GDP is increasing due to more foreign “bodies” being absorbed into Singapore but our productivity is going down. This is hurting our long term competiveness. Our Govt right now is just choosing to throw more “bodies” into the economy to get short term gains.

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theinzaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:01 am

Don’t point out everything to PAP.
Because of PAP, Singapore becomes richer and richer
Because of PAP, you all are forced to learn English
Because of PAP, brain flow can be adjusted.
Because of PAP, you don’t need to worry your education, health & housing.

Why can’t you reduce your expense? why can’t you save money?
Why can’t you used normal low price phone instead of iphone?
Why can’t you study to get more and more knowledge?
why can’t you behave like gentle man?
Why can’t you work at hard environment & under pressure?
why can’t control your family budget very well as other foreigners & PR families?

Before blame to others, we should ask ourselves.

kS on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:07 am

hey Admin
some starts using “bark, howl unison” Opp…

the point about Burmese ppl is they r really sensitive to sth they think of attacking them.
The author meant generally but should take care of describing abt Burmese ppl.
it’s been spreading Burmese community throughout island.

More comment’s coming
many credits to author, you did great

hey Anyone who don’t want PAP…
we are willing to take them all back to Burma.
you don’t worth them ,

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:08 am

@ Douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:16 am

Oh there is a whiff of change – very fast just like a wind clouds in the sky from Swiss CEO, to German and Chinese. But granted that whimsical change, a CEO is there FOR DIFFERENT SKILL SET than an accounts executive relative to an accountant.

Some Chinese CEO is there for “political” connections and even if he is “deaf, dumb and stupid”, he is assigned there for politics which is his “expertise” to relate back to his parent entity in China. It would surprise me that German CEO could not read and write English in Europe when English is even a conversational language among ordinary Germans. But again leave that aside, he is backed by a bi-lingual German-English team without which he cannot function effectively.

The company hiring Ms. Yin could not hire a team of bi-lingual interpreters to assist her in her job. That is why I surmise her job definition is one of accounts executive and NOT YET (maybe later) an accountant. Without a strong command of English Language, how can she fathom what accounting standards means expressed only in English IF SHE WAS THE ACCOUNTANT THERE?

Transported to the hypthetical example of Perilya Limited, imagine if the tax department queried on accounting treatment of foreign hedging (yet to mature) accounting application in derivation of taxable profits, would she be professionally correct and responsible to reply that “I don’t know English, don’t understand the accounting AASB 139 pronouncement, don’t ask me about the correctness of accounting taxable profits, it is YOUR STUPID QUESTION to ask. Profit is profits, don’t trust my accounting profit, come over and re-write my profits an loss statment, you idiot”???

The point is NOT blaming Ms. Yin, the point is Ms Yin fill a skill-level of employment easily fulfilled by another Singaporean with maybe part accounting qualification IN AN ASSISTING ROLE, not a final accounts determining role of an accountant. The result is a Singaporean is denied of this employment opportunity and unlike Ms. Yin, this SINGAPOREAN HAS NO OFFSHORE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND EQUIVALENT EMPLOYMENT FOR REASONABLE PAY FOR HIS/HER SURVIVAL.

This employment displacement is the result of the GOVERNMENT’S IMMIGRATION POLICY of not defining some minimal standards which tailored to the skills shortage in Singapore. IT IS ANYBODY WHO IS CHEAPER AND CAN BE SUBSTITUTED OF LOCAL LABOUR THAT IS SUFFICIENT CONSIDERATION FOR LETTING FOREIGNERS IN.

DISPLACED SINGAPOREANS NEED SURVIVAL AND NOWHERE TO GO for those lower level skills positions like that occupied by Ms. Yin and yet she has to be trained for English Language skills subsidised by Singaporean tax-payers’ funding ( an annoyance) to those whose jobs were displaced by foreigners. The displaced SINGAPOREAN will NOT need this English Language skill to perform on the job ironically BUT WAS DISPLACED BECAUSE FOREIGNER IS CHEAPER.

The Government has abandoned its own citizenry. It is up to Singaporeans to resolve this domestic politics issue. Sooner or later, those who think their jobs are secured might wake up in the morning to find they are receiving the same treatment.

It does not bother me because I don’t need employment. I care for my fellow citizenry abandoned by its own Government.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:16 am

> Guna: Employers have the right to hire FT if the skills set is what he is looking for and at a more reasonable salary.

Employer hires FTs cause they are cheaper. Period. This is not a problem for FTs cause when they convert their S$ earnings into their local currencies, it’s a lot (S$1,400 = US$1,000 = 1,000,000 Kyat). But at $1,400, it’s definitely a struggle for a Singaporean to support his family.

> Khaing: So, never act like you all are too far higher than Foreign Workers. Just try to upgrade yourself to compete with us in reality.

Bro, where are you going to upgrade to? There are 1.1 Billion Indians and 1.3 Billion Chinese. We don’t even need to count those from South East Asia yet. You want programmers? pharmacists? accountants? engineers? CEOs? Etc… at every level, there will be a foreigner there waiting to do the job at a much cheaper rate. This is called economic arbitrage. As long as the PAP Govt is willing to open door wide and continues to take in FTs wantonly, anywhere you upgrade to, you will be completely outbidded. Can you imagine we have 10 million people in Singapore with only 3 million Singaporeans and 7 million foreigners? Even wonder why in the west, they set quota on the number of foreign workers?

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Hugeheart on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:33 am

Employee earn their own money. No one will feed them if you aren’t working. No way. Hi “ID” do you think they feed you? You are not child. We are just working together.In singaporean points of view, they will be worry. They will think foreign worker rob their job. Singaporean, who had this view, need to change their mind. 20 years ago, if foreigner haven’t come and working together. Singapore will improve and then become like now. If SG choose to close the door, within some years SG will behind the most of others countries, China, India. If there is no foreign worker, will be decrease in demand on Import and Export. So GDP and cash flow in business also decrease. Employee will got low profit. So salary also low. There have only one way is singaporean need to flexible to stay with foreigner.

nge on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:41 am

bert and all of my friends,,

If human can rule one over another, there will be no more wars or conflicts.
We all are living and contributing the earth. NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT or MINE but toward our ancestors and the rest of our Humanity.

WE’re protected by RIGHTS and Code of LAW and to maintain our values and Dignity, what we can do is- initiate a common ground and give mutual respect.

I want to Quote this “We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend. And we honor those ideals by upholding them not just when it is easy, but when it is hard.” this is what Mr. Obama said at the Oslo.

Our Ideals should be and must be based on the VOICE of all people.
Walls must be collapse. We all are living under the same Sky.
WE all are sharing some stress and blast of the crisis.

Let’s us all give another chance to Love and Trust.
Not only to others, but also to you too.

PeteMaxy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:41 am

If you are skillful enough, no one can rod your job. You think you are skillful enough, just compete with us.

POSITIVE ATTITUDE on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:07 am

TO ALL MYANMAR FOLLOWERS. THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR US.
WE ALL KNOW THAT “ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS”. SO INSTEAD OF ARGUING WITH THEM, WHY NOT WE SHOW OUR TALENTS AND ABILITIES.

Whiteknight on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:12 am

Well, my English may not be as good as some of you here. The article actually wants to point out the foreigner policy in Singapore. But why pick on her, on Myanmar national and what is wrong with her attending English course? Then why the writer emphasize on ‘the FREE English classes at a Community Club’? What does it imply to and what she actually wanted to write in between the lines.

First of all, on the foreign worker policy…. A lot of Singaporeans are making noise or suffer in silent due to unemployment or lost of income whole or partial, all from economic crises. Then those who lost the job tried to point finger or find the culprit rather than helping their selves on upgrading their skills to land on new job. The easiest culprit naturally becomes the FOREIGNER and the ruling government.

There are about 1.5 million foreigners, including PRs, in Singapore if I am not mistaken. What if, we all, foreigners, leave Singapore, your house price will crumble, your malls will be deserted, and your companies will be kick out of market by competitors from other countries. Then the BOSSES of these companies will move to other more cost effective countries like China, Malaysia or Thailand and more jobs will be lost. Again, on average each foreigner spends about $1000 a month and Singapore is benefiting about 1.5 Billion Dollar of revenue every month. Most of the money goes to the pockets of Singaporean or Singapore government. How dare the writer can say that Singaporean suffers because of the foreign workers? They rather get benefit from us and even want us to feel that we are the guilty party.

Second, what is wrong with ‘Account Executive’ trying to improve on her English? Is the fluent English only the success factor for a person’s life? English is just a communication language, not a skill set. She may have intermediate level in English but she may have other qualifications and work ethics that her boss thinks is suitable for her job. No boss in Singapore is too dumb to employ useless worker. For all you know, she may be degree holder in Myanmar State University and/or LCCI or other accounting certificate holder which “any Singaporean with a ITE or “O” level certificate holders” may not fill the gap. Many owners of Singapore MNCs which venture to Malaysia, Indonesia, China and so on may not be as fluent in the country language as the native but they can build successful business. The owner of famous Singapore brand, OSIM, does not even know English but a lot of Singaporean look up on him.

So, for those who grumble on this and have the mind set of ‘foreigners take away jobs from Singaporean’ should learn from Ms Yin Yin Oo and try to upgrade their skills and land a new job. Your life will not get improved by pointing other people’s weakness.

Does the writer know exactly what responsibility Ms Yin Yin Oo is holding? If not, why look down on her job as ‘doing some simple book-keeping at a local SME’. Shouldn’t the writer investigate thoroughly before putting up her as an ideal case? It is very un-thoughtful and unprofessional to put up a person’s name at stake, just with the writer’s own guess-timation. If Singapore were in US, a lawyer would have gone to knock Ms Yin Yin Oo’s door to offer his service.

To be fair, I have many Singaporean friends who are humble, hardworking and good in nature. Most of them are educated and I never hear from them complaining about Foreign Talents. We live peacefully among each other and respect each other. It is not right for author to spark racial or national discrimination while Singapore government is trying hard for national harmony.

Regards,
Whiteknight

SG chicks LOVER !!! on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:21 am

According to Mr.bert or Mr.F**K said ….

(1.bert on Fri, 15th Jan 2010 9:09 pm

talk about ethics? what ethics you mynamas have? i am telling you assholes now that you are here not because you are good in anything, it is because of singapore’s fucked-up government. and you know you are here for the money which you would not ever earn in your lifetime back in your slumland.

so what now? are you going to be ethical and fuck off and return the jobs to singaporeans.)

My Dear Dear Mr.bert ,
Hummm i saw some comment of you and i already know u are such a little boy who wish to show up with your attitude .
In hear , we are talking about pointing and named of our Myanmar girl on ST . U should understand what your ST article have shown . Pls understand this first . Second … better get to know policy in Singapore and your Good Government . U should be thanking your government if u know what i mean . U should not be saying against to your own government . I admire your government that i am staying in Singapore .
Third , u better learn to know the history , people and how we are working together with your government . Slumland ???? We already know what is our land , so no need to brag about our golden land !
But i love Singapore and respect your people because they are nice . Unlike u .
U have said we have no balls ??? God Dammm …. it little funny . All myanmar know and its already in our blood . Our history can prove u .
Don’t think we are here for life … maybe for money and maybe for some reason …. but all helping what we can to your country .
U better complain what ST had done !!!
The 2 countries have understand each othe before u were born .

Be a nice citizen like others … we love that !!

steve on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:00 am

If they said so, I am wondering if native Singaporeans are able to speak proper English.

Shame_On_you on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:40 am

Come on guys! This is what a piss-drinking gentlemen behave like!!! Oops! Sorry. LMFAO! Those who drink their own piss will think like such a dumb ass. Crap!

Doreen Caulfield on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:54 am

No wonder, almost all asian nations are racist, immatured, uncivilized, narrow minded with shit dictator or bloody semi- democracy.
If someone who wants equal rights better try to US,UK,Canada and Australia.

Aung on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:55 am

What a poorly written piece of shit in 8th grader’s English!

“The Straits Times reported today of a 26 year old Myanmar national Yin Yin Oo signed up for free English classes at a Community Club because she needed “help” in spoken English.”

I will improve his or her piece of shit with my BEHS educated, Burmese trained Nga-Pi (pickled-salted-fish-eater) English.

“The today Straits Times reported that the 26 years old Myanmar national Yin Yin Oo has signed up for a free English class at a Community Club because she needs help in English especially in the conversational English.”

The morale of the story is that…

“Those who live in the glass house should not throw stones.”

TTCG on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 5:30 am

Hi All Myanmars,

I am also Myanmar. I feel very sorry for her. I don’t know how can she face others and go to her job in this situation. I don’t want to blame singaporeans who do not want FT on their land. It’s their country and it’s the issue between their government and them.

But this is not the right way to put Myanmar girl and her name on the public newspaper like that. She is not the criminal and I am not sure she has allowed to mention her name in the article. Please investigate about that girl. I think, this article must have effect her, may be she can also lose her job. Does anyone of you know that we can sue the newspaper and the author for that or not? I am not sure about that. You all are in SG and you can consult the lawyer about this issue. If needed, we can also raise the funds for that. Count me in. If only half of Myanmar in SG give 10SG$ only, we can have more than what we need. As you know, our embassy only knows how to get money from us. They will never protect us.

In stead of blaming each other online, we should unite and show our strength to the journalist with no ethics. If we don’t do anything now, our fellow citizens will be more discriminated in the future. Let’s help her and don’t try to stay away because your name is in the article. If we don’t react now, sooner or later, there will be another poor myanmar in some articles.

Dolphin on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 6:00 am

Looks like TR had kowtow to the Myanmar pressure. Actually I see no problem with the reporting since most of the writings are secondary news lifted from the official Straits Times and I do not see any adverse reactions to ST. The fact is that there are no free English lessons offered to Singaporeans and of course we can raise this in our own home soil. Then again, our Singapore Government is a good ally of the Myanmar regime, with strong economic and military ties. We are known to supply them with small arms. Many patriotic Myanmar nationals had already left Singapore in disgust long ago, do not take a moral high ground and talk about patriotism when you have to work and contribute to the regime here. During Myanmar democracy crack downs, many Singapore alternate websites such as SDP, TOC and Yawning Bread carried lots of articles in support of the Myanmar people on the streets. It is easy to take on the weak like TR.

douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 6:45 am

@seatown
True.I met a Singaporean dentist in LA ( Los Angeles ),who couldn’t say ”open wide ” properly in English.Then again ,he needn’t ,because most of his patients are Chinese (or were they Singaporean ,couldn’t tell the difference) !

admin on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:01 am

Hi Dolphin,

We are not giving in to pressure. A few of us have close ties with the Burmese community in Singapore and some of these posters may be our friends! In fact, we even have a Burmese guest columnist U Aung Min on our team.

The Burmese people are very nationalistic and they are very protective of their own kind. This is something we Singaporeans have to learn from. If we have shown at least half their concern for fellow Singaporeans, we will not be bullied by the MIWs.

As we can see from the above comments, the tension between foreigners (in this case Burmese) and locals has been building up for some time. Our article is merely a trigger.

The Burmese must have felt that they are being belittled by locals here while Singaporeans are peeved with them for “stealing” their jobs.

Actually, much of the anger is misplaced. Singaporeans should not blame the Burmese for their plight which is caused entirely by the ruling party’s policies. At the same time, Burmese should understand the frustrations Singaporeans face. During the cyclone which wrecked much of lower Burma 2 years ago, many Singaporeans donate generously to help our Burmese friends. We are bonded by one religion – Buddhism.

Remember that your country face the same problem as us in the 1930s when the British import many Indian workers into Burma and many anti-India riots broke out. Imagine if Indians were to be allowed to work in Yangon, Mandalay, Taunggyi and any of your cities in large numbers such that local Burmese are deprived of jobs, how will you feel?

Please go and read the original article in Straits Times:

http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapore/Story/STIStory_477063.html

Miss Yin’s photo was even splashed on the front page together with her name and job. The information posted in this article was taken entirely from Straits Times.

douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:23 am

Only in SG it is a crime to educate oneself.Please don’t envy those FWs who choose to work in Singapore,most boring place
on this planet – just full of similar food stalls and shopping Malls and Chinese look-alike people.

PP on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:35 am

Hi Kojakbt
I do get your point. There are many reasons to hire female staff & your point is one of them. But I think .. intermediate level is enough for that kind of staff. I just want to say that one is surviving more than a year means she can fullfill some parts of her resposibility.
Apology for getting you in other way.

douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:46 am

Pity, Yin is a Burmese and probably a Buddhist.If she was
a Muslim ,you wouldn’t have written like you did,never mind
splashing her picture on the front page.

TTCG on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:48 am

http://meltwaternews.com/prerobot/sph.asp?pub=ST&sphurl=www.straitstimes.com//Singapore/Story/STIStory_477063.html

Here is the real straitstimes link. I think, the tone used in ST is acceptable. The things that blow the flames are some lines and tone used in this article.

>>>>While it is not revealed what she does exactly, it is highly unlikely that she is a professional accountant by training when she admits that “she was at the ‘intermediate’ level in reading and writing”.

>>>>In all likelihood, Ms Yin is probably doing some simple book-keeping at a local SME which employed her due to lower wage demands.

>>>>With due respect to Ms Yin, her job can be easily taken over by any Singaporean with a ITE or “O” level certificate.

Ma Ma on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:59 am

Employers in Singapore look for hard working employees at a lower pay and less benefit. There is a law which permits foreigners to work legally. So we, foreigners came to Singapore and work. This is just Demand and Supply.

The position “Accounts Executive” could mean any where from an office girl helping out for a specific account to the one who is in charge of that specific account. It may also mean someone who is book keeping or taking care of debit and credit of the whole company. The title of a job scope varies depending on what image the employer wants to have.

Be it a real executive or an office girl, yes we do have language barriers. The first reason, we were not exposed to English as a language but as a subject. It means we do not speak well but write and read clearly. Second reason is the English in Singapore. Usually, those who intend to work overseas learn English (mainly listening and speaking) to improve communication. It is mostly from the native speakers. The pronunciation, the use of words and the grammar – everything is different when we started working in Singapore. Very often, people think and construct sentences in their own languages/dialect, then replace with English words. So we do have difficulty to communicate with locals.

However, we can perform the job, we work hard, we are willing to work at a lower pay. Therefore the employers keep us. Today we do not perform, tomorrow we have to pack and go home.

Despite all the difficulties and the pressure at work, Ma Yin Yin Oo finds a way to improve her communication skills. Again, there is subsidy which is funded by the government. If she is eligible, she should apply for the subsidy. Nothing is wrong.

I admire her willingness to learn in any possible ways. I hope the article and the comments do not discourage you. We have to keep on learning and also must share such learning opportunities with our friends. Congratulations Ma Yin Yin Oo.

goondu on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:29 am

admin,
Plesae bear in mind that the current situation(overcrowding, high properties prices ..) was brought to us by our government policy, it has nothing to do with individuals or race or religion. Please be sensitive in your article, as that’s could give our authority an opportunity to ‘crack-down’ on your site.

By inciting, flaming hatred towards the foreign workers with ‘juicy’ articles won’t ‘garner’ more votes from the middle-income group. Your article would only shy them away from your site.

This was the worst article I had read in your site.

theinzaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:41 am

If you don’t want FT, Simply just ask your MOM to stop this programs.All foreigners will leave Singapore with two feelings.
1. Sad for earning S$
2. Happy to meet their families and turn up their future on another way.

What will be happen to Singapore after 1/3 of workforce loss?
How to survive Singapore company during economic downturn and labor market change?
What will become yourself, Singaporean who have no choice to run away?

To all foreigners,
Let’s try to get more experience and collect knowledge
Let’s try to save money & built our own business
Let’s try to unity & change our home land’s economies as well as politic.
Let’s try to compete the Singapore companies on our own ground where have a lot of resource.

Let’s see what will happen in new world order

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:53 am

@ douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:23 am

“Only in SG it is a crime to educate oneself” ????

Really Douglas???

It is a OUTRIGHT DELIBERATE DISTORTION OF TRUTH AND REALITY.

After reading through my rebuttals of your ridiculous claims of a Swiss CEO unable to speak and write English and your quick spin to turn to “Oh, not just A Swiss CEO, there are few German and even chinese CEO working in London..” and then followed by this spin around again… to “True.I met a Singaporean dentist in LA ( Los Angeles ),who couldn’t say ”open wide ” properly in English…”

I guess we all be expecting your next spin is a perhaps a Singapore CEO could not speak English in Sydney or New York???

Come on Douglas, cut out the tale-spining and get to the substance. Your hypocrisy serves only one negative encourage – the likes of yourself trolling this thread with KNOWING FALSITY and devalues the substance of this civil debate and I AM SEEING A LOT OF THAT IN THE LAST FEW POSTS.

Whoever says – OTHER THAN YOURSELF THAT ” Only in SG it is a crime to educate oneself” ? It is a fabrication of lies as with all your other claims here of foreign CEOs from Switzerland, Germany and China could not speak a word of English. How did the Singaporean dentist in LA allegedly unable to speak English got his dental qualifications – in China, Russia or Timbuctoo to practice in USA?? You obvious either niave of truth or reality or both or just PLAIN LYING.

Leaving aside your abject utterance of complete virtually impossible lies, I say this to you and all here.

Is Ms. Yin is NOT a foreign talent compared to Chip Goodyear or some expatriate foreign senior managers of foreign banks or manufacturing enterprises here. By immigration laxity of screening she got in. If she is of SUFFICIENT abilities, skills and knowledge, SHE IS UNLIKELY TO NEED SO BASIC A SKILL TRAINING IN WRITTEN AND ORAL COMMUNICATION IN FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS AS COMMAND OF ENGLISH SO ESSENTIAL FOR THE JOB OF AN ACCOUNTANT.

If she is a true to measurement of foreign talent by Australian, Canadian, UK or US immigration screening standards, she would have QUALIFIED FOR ENTRY AND SECURED FOR HERSELF A VERY HIGH PAYING JOB AS A CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OR AT LEAST A FINANCIAL ACCOUNTANT AND NO FURTHER PUBLIC-FUNDED SKILL TRAINING NEEDED TO FULFIL HER ROLE AS AN ACCOUNTANT.

As I have pointed out in my postings above with Perilya Ltd as an example, Ms Yin in that hypothetical role as accountant would have NO DIFFICULTY IN READING AND COMPREHENNSION OF ACCOUNTING STANDARDS DEFINED IN AASB 139 on the financial accounting applications to meet with auditing requirements.

And if Ms.Yin cannot read and comprehend English, how does she even book the correct entry in accounting of a foreign hedging contract ( completed and signed in English and not Burmese language in Singapore) to know its content or for that matter to know it is a HEDGING CONTRACT. She might have, in the ignorance of English Language, mistaken that for a trade enquiry and no accounting entries is needed!!!

To cut the long story short, her confessed lack of English Language is a handicap in her job and career progression at this moment.

SO HOW IS THAT A FOREIGN TALENT of such deficiency so basic as language skills urgently needed of her role and job requirements?

Did the job she took denied Singaporean of the same opportunity?

TELL ME WHICH SINGAPOREAN THROUGH ITS QUALITY SECONDARY EDUCATION TO A LEVEL AT LEAST AND MAYBE PART ACCOUNTING QUALIFICATION TO TAKE THE JOB OF ACCOUNTS EXECUTIVE have difficulty in English Language??

The difference is startling and STAGGERING. One Singaporeans will all skills for this job displaced by a foreigner in Ms. Yin (in this example) who lacks even talent in English Language needed for her job.

And the reason? Ms. Yin is foreigner. And the logic – COMPLETELY FALSE OF IMMIGRATION RORTING AND DECEPTIONS OF SINGAPOREANS – FOREIGNERS EQUAL TALENT.

and for Singaporean ? It is born Singaporean = natives and by definition of that NO TALENT!!!

MS YIN’s situation as documented by TR and Straits Times here COMPLETELY AND VIVIDLY ILLUSTRATE THE PERVERSE OF TRUTH ( foreigner = talent, Singaporean = no talent) AND REALITY ( Singaporeans has all talents for this job and foreigner in Ms Yin lacking talent).

Douglas, NO!!! iT IS not a CRIME TO UPGRADE ONESELF IN SG AND IT IS ALSO NOT A CRIME TO PEDAL COMPLETELY FALSEHOOD KNOWINGLY BY YOURSELF TO DECEIVE SINGAPOREANS AND THE WORLD.

It is sad that foreigners are now seeking to oppress Singaporeans with falsehood in conjunction with the fraudulent hoax of immigration politics of the Government here.

Alex Tan is right. On my side, i can only plea, don’t cry for me, Singapore.

lee hsien tau on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:03 am

You go to Pelangi Village, where all the destitutes are locked away.

Their guards are mainly foreigners, there just for the money.

One Myanmar male nurse has been in Singapore for twenty years…..

Apply some pressure, and his England breaks down………incoherent sentences come out of his frigging mouth……..he stutters, he gesticulate, he tries to fart……it’s amusing……it frigging disgusting.

htet on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:06 am

I appreciate Ms Yin for her willingness to learn.

I am a Myanmar and Singapore citizen. I arrived to S’pore in 2005 as S-pass holder and I got S’pore citizenship in 2009. I surprise that my poor English is not improved when I convert citizenship. (j.k. It is not because of citizenship, because of my laziness)

When I worked at my first company (Oil & Gas Field), my biggest communication problem is “my Singaporean supervisors can’t speak English”.

Sorry for my poor English.

admin on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:11 am

Hi goondu,

There is nothing inflammatory in the article and neither did we incite hatred against foreigners. It is mild compared to some earlier articles we published about PRC and Indian workers.

The facts are laid bare for readers to judge for themselves:

1. Ms Yin is a Myanmar national as stated in the Straits Times.

2. She is attending a course in the CC to brush up her English skills.

3. She is working as an accounts executive.

4. Her job can be easily taken over by a local.

5. The ruling party has allowed many foreigners on S-passes to come and work in Singapore, some of whom are unable to speak even proper English.

What’s wrong with highlighting all these? Why should we shy away from calling a spade a spade?

There was nothing personal against Ms Yin or the Burmese. If she had been a PRC, Indian, Malaysian, Vietnamese or Indonesian, the thrust of the article will still remain the same.

We have already stated many times here: we are not against foreigners. What we are against is the ruling party’s misguided policies.

Sure, Singapore needs foreigners, but you have to take care of your own citizens first before you open the floodgates and welcome everybody.

The root cause of the rising social tension in our society as evident in the postings here lies with the fact that locals feel they are not getting a fair deal from their government and naturally they will blame it on the foreign workers.

Instead of sweeping the problem under the carpet and pretend nothing has happened, why not let it out in the open and address the issue directly?

By keeping quiet, we are only letting the problem fester till it explodes right in our face one day.

The MIWs know they have created a big mess, but they dare not acknowledge it as it is tantamount to admitting that they make a mistake and they are supposed to be infallible in order to justify their multi-million pay package.

Right now, they are simply throwing money at the problem with a $10 million Community Integration Fund which will not solve the problem but make it worse.

Untalent Dummy Myanmar Guy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:13 am

It is just a politic tricks..
Why you are blaming PAP?
Do you think Thousand and Thousand of Singaporean boss Don’t have the brain to EMPLOY Singaporean?
Why don’t you pusuade thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss to employ Singaporean?
Why do the Singaporean boss choose foreigners?
You lazy bastard claiming to be very SMART and blaming PAP and foreigners…
Don’t waste your time writing this article, Go get and find a job..there are a lot of job in Singapore..

Blame your thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss…
Don’t play politic tricks..

aungzaya on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:14 am

All Myanmar as well as FTs,

Learning from such case & comments & Looking around the economic weather & situation,

it is time to eye on local people feeling, think your future in Singapore & calculate your S$ , whenever you are to-

1. buy the expensive property on this ground
2. settle your child future on this ground
3. leave your mother land permanently
4. recognize here is your final carrier & destination

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:14 am

Whiteknight on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:12 am

“Again, on average each foreigner spends about $1000 a month and Singapore is benefiting about 1.5 Billion Dollar of revenue every month…”

Based on your assumption, your arithmetic is correct BUT THE LOGIC IN ECONOMIC IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED.

Why?

If the same income is earned by Singaporeans and spent by Singaporeans, would it NOT be true of seeming economic impact for Singapore????

But reality of foreign spending is also false. FOREIGNERS WHO CAME HERE TO EARN SALARIES HERE TO SPEND HERE. They are thrifty ( a virtue I might add) and save a very high proportion of their income and send the rest of the earnings back home. Just look at the long Q in the banks and Western Union in Orchard Road of Philipino maids every day remitting money back home. SO YOUR ECONOMIC LOGIC IS FLOORED AND FLAWED BY FALSE ASSUMPTION OF SPENDING. Philipino maids don’t even have accomodation costs like many foreign workers – they save nearly every penny they earned and remit out of Singapore, so THERE IS NO IMAGINED POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT YOUR POST FALSELY CLAIMED HERE.

AND YOU ALSO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE INFRASTRUCTURAL SUPPORT COSTS BORED BY SINGAPOREANS AND HAS NO PROSPECTS OF FUTURE RECOVERY WHEN FOREIGNERS LEAVE HERE.

Just take the NE line MRT, it costs perhaps close to Sing$9 billion to build – that is just ONE MRT line built more than a decade ago (and we may soon need 10 new MRT lines costing a lot more for each line and maybe sooner than you think), what about schools,hospitals, sewage plants, water desalination plants, power plants, roads, expressaway, waste incinerator works, even crematorium ( no space for these now), land reclamation costs – the totals of which could run into hundreds of billions UPFRONT. Who is paying for this – YOU OR ME, Mr. WhiteKnight???

IT IS FALSE ECONOMICS AND SINGAPOREANS KNOW IT.

SO PLEASE, LEAVE THE RUBBISH TALK OF YOURS IN THE RUBBISH BIN WHERE IT BELONG AND TALK REAL ECONOMICS, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU????

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:23 am

There is nothing inflammatory about this article. It merely document the inequities and damage done to Singaporeans by the lax immigration screening.

Untalent Dummy Myanmar Guy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:25 am

It is just a politic tricks..

Why you are blaming PAP?
Do you think Thousand and Thousand of Singaporean boss Don’t have the brain to EMPLOY Singaporean?
Why don’t you pusuade thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss to employ Singaporean instead of blaming MOM?
Why do the Singaporean boss choose foreigners instead of Singaporean?
You lazy bastard claiming to be very SMART and blaming PAP and foreigners…
Don’t waste your time writing this article, Go get and find a job..there are a lot of job in Singapore..

Blame your thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss for employing foreigners…..
Don’t play politic tricks..

Anonymous on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:37 am

@ Ma Ma on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:59 am

Employers in Singapore look for hard working employees at a lower pay and less benefit.

You are absolutely right!!!!

Is there NO currently unemployed Singaporeans around with part accounting qualifications and strong competent English to fulfil the role Ms Yin is in???

The answer is -

It is NOT there is no well and better qualified currently UNEMPLOYED Singaporeans BUT IT IS A QUESTION OF WHO IS CHEAPER AND LAX IMMIGRATION SCREENING ALTERNATIVE AVAILABLE.

Apayatay on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:41 am

The reason why Sing Gov need outsider to come in Singapore is mostly depends on thieir citizen. They almost Fucking lazy, not enough talent to work and they just try to bluf to people.
They really think that they are fucking good at bluffing.

That is why Sing Gov take more people from outside even they dun have enough talent. They know their citizens. Ha ha.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:44 am

> bert: see how these deceitful lying mynamas twist and turn and beat around the bush with their half-baked english when they cannot take the heat. they know they are lousy and yet pretend they know just to keep the job for the money. now they claimed to be hardworking. for what fxxk use if you cannot do the job.

Bert, I agree with you. I’ve interviewed a number of so called IT grads who came from their Yangon Univ directly. All failed when they were asked to do a simple programming test. So, after a few tries, we just don’t want to waste time with Myanmese IT grads anymore.

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bert on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:45 am

to admin,

the problem here is those arrogant mynama idiots. they should just accept criticism and shut the fxxk up. instead they display a shower of their cockiness and so proud of exposing their weak points. you can see they can’t even chain a sentence properly.

and with my experience with them, although not unlike other foreigners, i can tell you those mynama workers are inept, boastful, selfish, pushy and simply evil. many are also lazy, thievish and irresponsible.

shit. i mean, the mynamas claimed themselves to be so good and ‘hardworking’ but don’t even bother to improve their english.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:52 am

> I am a Myanmar and Singapore citizen. I arrived to S’pore in 2005 as S-pass holder and I got S’pore citizenship in 2009.

So, if you have a son next time would you be willing to let him serve Singapore’s NS?

> theinzaw:
Don’t point out everything to PAP.
Because of PAP, Singapore becomes richer and richer
Because of PAP, you all are forced to learn English
Because of PAP, brain flow can be adjusted.
Because of PAP, you don’t need to worry your education, health & housing.

Well, since you like Singapore so much, why don’t you consider doing NS in Singapore too?

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Guna on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:53 am

stop FT or myanmar bashing lah. Aiyah…come on singapore, dont blame FTs for your troubles in life. Imagine Malaysia Malays say dont want Chinese and other races in Malaysia because non-Malays take the best jobs, get better pay, raise the cost of living, buy the best foodstuff and leave scraps for them….

ngapwae on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:56 am

sure.. it’s a time to wake up. red alert!! not only workers ., but also big business are owned by Foreigner now a days.. so.. dont be lazy.. dont be selfish.. dont be jelaous.. dont be over clever… TRY to.. Integrate ur skill.. Integrate ur mind.. Integrate ur “only can do on.. follow up plan.. rule”. just advice. (Money Digger from 3rd Country)

aungzaya on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:58 am

Correct ! Untalent Dummy Myanmar Guy !

The author of this article use the FTs issue to play politic tricks. His hidden intention may be that brainless and bloodless become to think their Singlish as universal working skill,(perhaps may think launch rocket to moon)and proud of themselves to blast the emotion to squeeze the existing successful policies which turn Singapore up 0 to 1.

See the dangerous idea behind this article! Instead of trying to promote themselves and compete & replace FTs, it intend the riot among the stable working environment.That mean to make unbalance during economic crisis.Which kind of evil is behind this?

Get Real on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:08 am

@ douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:46 am

“Pity, Yin is a Burmese and probably a Buddhist.If she was a Muslim…..”

You are really pathetic and despicable.

The characterisation in Ms. Yin could have come from either Philippines or Indonesia or Malaysia.

This thread of debate is about immigration issue and NOT about nationality or religion.

YOU ARE DELIBERATELY BAITING A RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS IMPORT when none exist here. I denounced your incorrigible yet falsely-acclaimned decency of behaviour.

Have you run out of truth and substance of reasoned civil debate after your hypocrisies been exposed???

If you feel strongly about religious fervours of any flavour, take a plane to Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan or China and stage your rowdy protests there.

I am sure they ALL welcome you with open arms in brotherhood and sisterhood.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:12 am

> Ma Ma: Employers in Singapore look for hard working employees at a lower pay and less benefit. There is a law which permits foreigners to work legally. So we, foreigners came to Singapore and work. This is just Demand and Supply.

While the “law” still applies, I suggest that you should just quietly make your money and don’t make Singaporeans angry any further. You are a guest worker here. Don’t try to act “smart” here. Many Singaporeans are clamouring the Govt to tighten the “law” now…

> Untalent Dummy Myanmar Guy: Do you think Thousand and Thousand of Singaporean boss Don’t have the brain to EMPLOY Singaporean? Why don’t you pusuade thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss to employ Singaporean? Why do the Singaporean boss choose foreigners?… Blame your thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss…

Yes, indeed, many Singaporeans do blame the “thousand and thousand of Singaporean Boss”.

Folks, I’m not sure if you guys are aware of this but there is an endemic scam going on in the industry. Ask any FTs doing those low-end jobs and they will inevitably tell you that they have paid $8-10K just to get the job. This sum of money is being paid to the middleman back in their home country. In reality, this sum of money is being shared between their middleman and the employer or HR person. It’s hard to prove but it exists. Hence, to the SME boss, hiring these FTs means he is also getting “rebates” from the middleman at the time, resulting in even lower cost he pays to hire these cheap FTs!

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htet on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:20 am

Dear Admin,

I would like to complain about bert’s racial comments and rude words.
……………………..

Hey bert,

This is a community web site, not a fish market. Mind your words.

I wan to ask you one question. Are you pure Singaporean? Let me guess, your grandfather or great grandfather came from China (or) India by boat to here.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:23 am

> ID: I find it funny that our Myanmar friends find it necessary to attack Singaporeans especially when they work here. After all, isn’t it like biting the hand that feeds you?

ID, I guess we have to thank our PAP govt for it. Our PAP Govt is so effective with their “propaganda” that even a Myanmese cleaner thinks he is some kind of a “talent” embarking on a mission to “save” Singaporeans…. LOL!

> Sally: It’s quite amusing to read how, we Singaporean speaks “weird Singlish” while none of them Burmese who post a comment could string a proper sentence!

Someone here said, “Why we can’t compete with us?”…

Classic! I don’t even know what he is trying to say. And he is supposed to be some kind of “talent” working here in Singapore? Who is the idiot who issued the S-pass to this guy?

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Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:24 am

@ Untalent Dummy Myanmar Guy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:25 am

I dispute with you on your claims. You are very talented instead but pretend ignorance of real life political hoaxes.

You are here because of lax immigration law applicable due to our Government overzealous generosity hiding a political agenda.

The simple truth is that most of you here would love to go to AUSTRALIA ON a skilled temporary migration 457 visa.

You want to know the average salary there for 457 visa holders skilled migrants?

Let me quote you the relevant figure and source.

“Across the country, the average salary of those on 457 visas jumped to $85,300, up from $74,700 in the same period a year earlier.”

http://www.theage.com.au/national/temporary-skilled-migration-halved-20100111-m2o9.html

THAT IS ABOUT SINGAPORE DOLLARS 110,000 PER YEAR.

How many PRs earns S$110,000 per year or roughly S$9,160 per month in Singapore????

THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT MOST FOREIGNERS WORKING HERE IN SINGAPORE CANNOT QUALIFY ON SKILLED MIGRATION 457 VISA CATEGORY.

Singapore got the lowest skill level of so-called foreign talent NEEDING FURTHER TRAINING EVEN IN BASIC ENGLISH AND THEY DISPLACED SINGAPOREANS BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER.

Please get real of your innocence of “playing dirty politics” and acknowledge the truth that most of you ARE NOT FOREIGN TALENT but foreign trash.

What we want is really topo-class engineers, doctors, scientists, bankers, industrialists and entrepreneurs – NEVER MIND IF THEY ARE FOREIGNERS AND WHERE THEY COME FROM OR WHAT RACE THEY ARE OR WHAT RELIGION THEY BELONG OR ADHERE TO.

WE WELCOME FOREIGNERS but NOT THE WRONG QUALITY OF FOREIGNERS WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY THE CASE AND FALSELY CLAIMED IN MSM AS FOREIGN TALENT.

LN on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:35 am

Dear Everybody ,

Would like to advise all of you; Pls trying to be a kind of person who is part of the solution, ” NOT A PART OF THE PROBLEM ”

Rdgs,

John on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:43 am

Dear admin,

Could u give me a link that saying about this article in The Straits Times ??, coz I couldn’t find it yet.
My idea is that, the admin’s main target is not this Myanmese girl, he just wanted to screw up with our comments to PAP.(he dare not to shout directly to PAP , bcos as we know , PAP gave only for show democracy to Singaporean )
So why do we need to argue about this?? , it’s really nonsense.

IT Burmese on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:46 am

Dear Admin,

Try to close this topic and apology to this girl from this forum.Also stop to talk about rude words each others.If possible don’t try to highlight the specific nationality.

aungzaya on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:50 am

Just compare with the SEA counterpart countries,
Actually Singapore gets good luck having the clean & wise goverment that takes care of its citizens.

There are a plenty of subsidiarty systems here.
Housing, Education, Health and so on. Law & regulation stand mostly for local people.
Generally, companies give the favour on SC rather than PR,FT & FW.

FTs and FWs are playing on your home ground and having the rare of supports.
Why are you afraid of them?

Perhaps you may expect for more kinds of subsidy by consequence of this article.
( Personal expense subsidy,Holidy airticket subsidy, gadget subsidy,….).

How great idea..!! Enlarging the FTs issue using small weak point…Shaking community unstable with impossible change..
Squeeing authority for either change or some more comfort…Subsidy..Subsidy

On last TV news, some people asked to take Kindergardens under MOE (perhaps the hope for Subsidy)

Among FTs and FWs, one believe is that our country will develope more than Singapore within 10 years if that kind of your government were in place of our Junta.

One of Myanmar saying is that “thousands of bird can stay there if the tree is good enough”.

Get rid of Lousy Foreigners on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:50 am

Actually you can get rid of this type of third world foreigners easily regardless of whether you vote out the PAP or not. We should just increase their cost of living, including education, medical and

housing. We can help increase their education and medical cost by pressurizing the Govt by writing to Straitstimes forum to cut their subsidies. The Government had already taken some action by increasing

their childrens’school fees:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1026209/1/.html

We should aim for a similar cut in their medical subsidies just like their education cost. Cut their medical subsidies.

To increase their housing cost, we don’t have to rely on PAP. We also don’t have to vote out the PAP, we get those PAP supporters to join us too. This is how we shall do it:

Since 80% of the affected working class Singaporeans are also HDB flat lessees, they should just increase the subletting rent to foreigners by 100% to 300%. If we can’t beat them due to lower wages, we force

them to join us with the same high cost of living of Singaporeans.

I can only think of so many advantages and no disadvantage at all for Singaporeans by raising the rental fees for foreigners:

1. So far the relentless influx of foreigners only benefited the PAP, civil servants (stable job & high salary) and employers (low business cost and more profits). The ordinary working class loses out.

Raising rental fee by at least 100% will ensure that the working class Singaporeans can benefit from the influx of foreigners too.

2. When the foreigners’ cost of living is increased in Singapore, they can no longer accept third world standard of salary in Singapore. When they asked for Singapore standard of salary, who do you think the

employer will employ? The Singaporean or the foreigner? So you see, raising the rental fees for foreigners is the real solution to create jobs for Singaporean PMETs.

3. HDB now require every subletting case to be reported within 7 days. Failure to comply means a fine of up to $3000 for first offender and compulsory acquisition of your flat for repeat offender. It is only

right that we increase the rental for the extra administrative work and risk involved.

4. Since HDB prices are rising rapidly and many Singaporeans also find it unaffordable to buy HDB flat, why should we be renting our flats cheaply to these foreigners? Increasing their rental could help

Singaporeans pay their installment too.

5. No Singaporean would complain about the extra income.

6. If the lousy foreigners Ta Boleh Tahan the increase in cost of living, they would be forced to return to their third world country or forced to take up Singapore citizenship. We challenge and welcome them

to take up Singapore citizenship. When they become Singapore citizens
, they will be subjected to the same high cost of living as us (and get the same treatment from PAP too).

7. It is entirely logical, practical and legal to increase the rental. The rental is a private agreement between owner and tenant and the owner is free to decide his own fate by increasing the rental

appropriately. The foreigner problem can also be solved by giving an alternative to those Singaporeans who are afraid to vote out the PAP (SME bosses, civil servants, stat boards and GLC employees).

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:57 am

admin on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:01 am

” The Burmese people are very nationalistic and they are very protective of their own kind..”

It may or MAY NOT be true.

Those howling protests on this thread betrayed one truth – they are strenuously protecting their turf ( not illegitimate though) but for economic reason that Singapore is their gold mine.

They won’t get similar opportunities in Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Hong Kong and DEFINITELY NOT AUSTRALIA OR FAVOURED IMMIGRATION DESTINATIONS LIKE CANADA, USA OR EUROPE -for two reasons. First, their Government won’t give them passport to these countries – political reasons if they are real talent. Secondly, most lacked language skills like Ms Yin and lacked other skills sufficient to qualify even for temporary skilled migration work in places like Australia.

SINGAPORE IS THEIR ONE AND ONLY GOLD MINE. WHY WOULD THEY NOT BY ANGRY, PROTESTING, CURSING, ABUSING AND SWEARING AT SINGAPOREANS HERE????????

Think again, Admin and all Singaporeans.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:08 pm

@IT Burmese on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:46 am

The reference to Ms Yin is NOT from TR BUT FROM MSM.

If Ms Yin finds it objectional, she should write to MSM and asked that her name be NOT put into print.

Let us NOT displaced blames for publicity. IT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH you are ATTEMPTING TO SELECTIVELY curbing here.

talknonsense on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:26 pm

It’s natural the burmese or another oher group of foreigners
speak out and up for one and another…this demonstrates their
cohesiveness as is obvious if you alos recall the SILOSO episode where those FTs ganged up to speak for the culprits.
Singaporeans,due to one reason or another,despite the ‘ONE PEOPLE,ONE NATION,ONE SINGAPORE’ THEME SONG don’t seem to be
cohesive nor collaborative at all?!
Even citizens are letting down each other;from colleagues to colleagues;form bosses to native workers and worse,from responsible leaders announcing so arrogantly, in perfect-sounding English, to the world the “laziness” of “untalented” citizens!
Why complain when these foreigners merely join in the chorus,
they are merely back-up singers.
For God’s sake,let us first be sincerely united,then only could
we honestly “sing our own praises” in public and to the world and most importantly to the betraying ‘PARTY’.
STAND UP,STAND TALL,MY FELLOW CITIZENS!

AYEAYEMYOSAT on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:28 pm

I want to say/spell something on behalf of our Working Hard Foreign Workers here. Hey .. Fucking Singaporeans!! You guys won’t be able to get a good job in anywhere, any country .. OK? You guys love to take fake MC leaves. You guys are always complaining about your duties or your working environment and for everything WITHOUT ENOUGH WORKING. Then, you guys still want to have the good facilities & pay. May I suggest you, There is no employer will pay you highly before the employer see you working hard and also your good skills. Don’t be too jealous. Try not to be very lazy first. OK? No wonder you guys are not hired. Everybody knows the skills of Singaporeans. The employers know which resources can improve their benefits well. We are not demanding but working hard. That’s why we (foreigners) are hired in any time even in the economic crisis period. Anyway, try to improve your skills first. And Try to speak proper English first. Like that also can lah? haha .. There’s no such usage in the world. We don’t speak Singlish.

Terence Goh on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:31 pm

Myanmar nationals are interesting people. They flee from their drug infested, junta run oppressive country to Singapore to work, some abandoning their family leaving them to die in Myanmar from riots and floods.

Kind Singaporeans take pity on them, and hire them despite their lack of filial piety, lousy English, dubious academic qualifications, and poor working attitude. Unlike Filipinos and PRCs, Myanmar nationals have nowhere else to go. We took them in out of compassion.

Singaporeans provide a safe environment for Myanmar nationals by sacrificing two years of our prime to serve in the army. Because of this safe environment, Myanmar nationals are able to start their careers and family here. In the recent floods and Junta crackdown, Singaporeans helped the Myanmar people, at great risk to ourselves.

Despite the generosity Singaporeans have shown Myanmar nationals, they come here and boast about how Singaporeans should be grateful to them, and have no qualms about putting Singaporeans down.

I leave Singaporeans to conclude what sort of people Myanmar nationals are.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:39 pm

@IT Burmese on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:46 am

There are a few rowdy making noises here BUT BY AND LARGE, THERE IS A SERIOUS CIVILISED DISCUSSION OF SUBSTANCE AND REALITY IN A CALM AND RATIONAL MANNER.

So it is NOT unreasonable to allow for INFORMED DISCUSSIONS of our national issues perhaps not so keen of your own nationalistic interest.

A lesson learnt for foreigners here is this – if you entertain a public interview by MSM journalist, be expect your name and background be splashed all in the news. OTHERWISE IT IS SAFER TO DECLINE TO BE INTERVIEWED!!

And even if you agree, you can also demand that no picture be taken and no name to be mentioned in the media.

ONCE YOU AGREE TO BE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND PUBLIC NEWS, you have surrendered your privacy. Can’t blame TR or MSM for this exposure.

I WILL NEVER GRANT A MEDIA INTERVIEW UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

My honest advice to you and all foreigners is NOT TO GIVE THE MEDIA AN INTERVIEW ON ANY SUBJECT OF YOUR PERSONAL LIFE!!!

I am honest of advice.

panaslayer09 on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 12:53 pm

Well, people do complain about foreigners here. I’ve heard so many complains against Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Myanmar people.

Reasons are so simple…

1) Singapore and (some of) Singaporean thought they are good in English. Seriously WTF! As long as you guys talk “Hungry Go Where?” and pronounce zero as jero!! ha ha… This is call BLAME GAME! So, don’t blame other you idiots!!! <If you want to live in singapore, you only need to use kid of words only. Agree on that? So, let’s not blame on their language problems…

2) Yes, we (singaporean) do blame foreigners coz we don’t have much to do on this tiny, boring island. And we have to admit that we can’t change the way of PAP (Come on guys, admit that PAP is too huge to fail.).
Another thing is a lot of complaints about NS. Well, that’s also “don’t know what to do and just blame FT and NS” type of complaints.

3) And, let me tell you my experience with FT. I’m also in IT at Jap company. A lot of chinese programmers and IT staff in our group. One of Assistant Manager is chinese national. Totally no good at english.
One of the managers is Malay chinese, also no good at english.
They all can do job well, so well. So, Jap employ them.
Simple like that.
And, last few months ago, Jap took in another Singaporean manager. This guy is so so lousy. Just table-anchored bluffing manager with a lot of complaints(Sit and bluff type of singaporeans we can see here).
So, Jap are going to axe this new Singaporean manager!

Come on, don’t complaint about others. “It’s just matter of how good you are at your job. Language is just communication medium only.” Not about foreigners rob our jobs. As long as we all are top in our jobs, no one would rob! Yes, foreigners can work for cheaper salary. We can’t work coz we are over spending then we can make of.

And, all the people reading here (both foreigners and singaporean), this topic try to fan so-called small issue to become big problem. Be wise! Don’t fight with dummies! BE SMART ALL OF YOU GUYS (both singaporean and foreigners).

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:06 pm

> Don’t cry for me: THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT MOST FOREIGNERS WORKING HERE IN SINGAPORE CANNOT QUALIFY ON SKILLED MIGRATION 457 VISA CATEGORY.

> They won’t get similar opportunities in Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Hong Kong and DEFINITELY NOT AUSTRALIA OR FAVOURED IMMIGRATION DESTINATIONS LIKE CANADA, USA OR EUROPE -for two reasons. First, their Government won’t give them passport to these countries – political reasons if they are real talent. Secondly, most lacked language skills like Ms Yin and lacked other skills sufficient to qualify even for temporary skilled migration work in places like Australia. INGAPORE IS THEIR ONE AND ONLY GOLD MINE. WHY WOULD THEY NOT BY ANGRY, PROTESTING, CURSING, ABUSING AND SWEARING AT SINGAPOREANS HERE????????

Bro, many thanks for your info. I didn’t know that their Govt does not issue passports for them to go to the West. If they do, I’m sure Myanmese here will all be flocking to the West rather than staying here.

I didn’t know that Singapore is their “one and only” gold mine. Well, if this is indeed the case, shouldn’t they be nicer to Singaporeans rather than behaving like a bunch of incoherent mad dogs howling at us?

Kojakbt
Moderator
http://www.3in1kopitiam.com

pinkrose on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:11 pm

Dear all,

if we are very good in English and Super Talents, we won’t be come here and work anymore!!!

if you don’t know Let everyone know about this!

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:15 pm

> IT Burmese: Try to close this topic and apology to this girl from this forum.

I don’t see why TR should apologise to the girl in the news. TR is merely reporting facts. TR is right to question how a person, regardless of her nationality, with a sub-standard English can land an “account executive” job here in Singapore? TR is not wrong to question this. In fact, the bigger question we Singaporeans should be asking is, why are we issuing S-passes to foreigners with sub-standard English? Afterall, since we are supposed to be getting talents into Singapore, shouldn’t we be more selective?

Maw Htun on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:16 pm

The real problem here is because of the economic system and globalization . The economic system of Singapore is that of Capitalist which would seek the maximum profit they can get. No wonder they hire the cheapest labor available to them .So,according to this rule of Capitalist and market competition ,employers will not consider which nationalities and this is simply because of globalization .There is one notable Economist Friedman said “market doesn’t care of which color of hands grow the wheat” . This is a market phenomenal and those whoever believe in this myth will have to suffer from it.Secondly , in order to keep Singapore economy float in the global competition , they need not just people with EP but people with SP as well to keep the services and products competitive in the global market .This is not just a problem of Singapore even in America ,many people blame to the Mexican illegal immigrants .Singapore surpassing the USA by blaming those who have come to work legally and rightfully. Singaporean should never forget how do they come this far ,by what means they achieved this status .It’s all because of PAP and wisdom of Lee Kuan Yew .They have the ability to foresee the future of Singapore as they did last 40 years ago. That’s why they created the SP and let foreigners come to Singapore and work .This is not the individual problem as the article mentioned ,this is the by product of a capitalist system So,embrace it as u have benefit from this previously .
Speaking about Myanmar , we have a long standing culture and history dated back to thousands of year .We have build magnificent kingdoms .We have our own literature and culture .We do not borrow from other cultures nor hire traditional costume.
For the world we have contributed a Peace Maker U Thant , Secretary General of UN , a noble peace laureate ,Daw Aung San Suu Kyi .
Speaking of Natural resources : we are the jewels of Asia ,ruby, sapphire,diamond,Jade.
We are a country which can stand on our own .
It is the Government which is in place of power because Government like Singapore doesn’t stand with the truth and get benefit from making ally with Myanmar military Junta.
It is not a civilized manner to blame someone quickly and saying foul language . Being a racist is not just about white and black matter anymore .Educated Singaporean would not want to see their fellow men being racist .

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:18 pm

> aungzaya: One of Myanmar saying is that “thousands of bird can stay there if the tree is good enough”.

Ah… but what if the tree is only good enough to hold 700 birds? Shouldn’t we at least be asking the foreign ones to go back to their own trees first?

Kojakbt
Moderator
http://www.3in1kopitiam.com

matthew on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:22 pm

J on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:24 pm

The bunch of so-called FT here claim that they must be competent because they are hired here. Sorry to burst your bubble, guys. Employers hire you based on cost, not on skills. Recall your own interview. Were you asked to take a proficiency test? (Obviously not for English) Did you have any relevant working experience? How long was the interview anyway?

And you say you are more competitive because you can accept a lower wage. Understand that for the same take home pay, a Singaporean costs the employer 20+14% more than a foreigner. This amount gets locked up and cannot be used to pay daily expenses. Our government also lets you guys rent rooms at lower rates than locals. And the stronger Singapore currency translates in better pay back home. You notice anything in common in the reasons above? Right, none of them have got anything to do with your competence. If you are so competent, why hasn’t overall productivity gone up with the influx of foreigners, instead of going down?

Singapore provides you with a safe haven from your junta, and the opportunity to lead a much better life. Instead of being grateful, you come here stamping your feet and throwing hissy fits, threatening to leave, saying Singapore will collapse without you. You know what? Go. But you can’t. You won’t. Because of the money.

And you say you contribute. Of course you do. All workers do. But you conveniently ignore that you take as well. You enjoy our public transport, utilities and ’subsidised’ housing, the last which is meant for citizens. Let’s not forget the free English course, which are paid for by Singapore taxpayers. And most of all, the safety and security provided by our men who serve National Service while you don’t have to. Don’t kid yourselves that you contribute taxes too. At the pay level of these jobs, you don’t have to pay much taxes. Again, of course you contribute. But you get benefits too. Don’t tout yourselves as selfless angels.

But most of all, I despise the blind nationalism that brought all of you here to comment in the first place. Classic sheep mentality. Obviously all of you were mobilised here by someone who tipped you off. At the sight of the two words ‘Myanmar national’, all the alarm bells in your head went off, and you proceeded to fire off mostly drivel.

If all of you were truly so patriotic, why are you here, working for a country whose government helps your junta oppress your countrymen? Aren’t all of you implicitly supporting the regime? We in Singapore who support democracy don’t have a choice, we were born here and have nowhere else to go. On the other hand, you guys chose to come here. Where is your outrage now? Or is it just too inconvenient because the state controls your work permit?

I will say it again, TR’s article did not condemn the young lady. It was criticising the policy that so easily allowed someone with an average skill set to come in and take a job, while our locals who could easily take up the job are still unemployed. But it looks like most of you don’t get it. And your “professional journalist” comes in swinging with charges of libel and demands for apologies. Honestly, did you come here to escape from oppression, or to spread it?

-J

Yarwanna on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:31 pm

Please Remember… How did Singapore Form within this 40years?
Together with many Foreigners and Races to build Singapore to Success in this world.
So What does Native Singaporean mean?? Last 2 or 3 Generation also caome from India, China, Malaysia or Indonisia. Am I right to say that? Most of the Singaporeans have many relatives in Malaysia, India or China. Correct me if I am wrong.

So whats the big deal of Foreigners?

Let them come and use it as our Singapore driven Force for Furture. Beside that Need more Foreigners to replace Singaporeand who migrate to other Countries.

Compare with Old generation of Singpaorean and Young generation of singapore. Young generation are not as hardworking as Old generation. I think mostly will agree wtih me. Better talk less and work more. If young generation of Singaporean accept any kind of situation/condition such as Dirty Job/Low paid Salary…ect. which foreigners easy to accept and willing to work there is NO place for Foreign Workers.
Work as harmony is more important than No matter who you are or where you from.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:39 pm

> talknonsense: Singaporeans,due to one reason or another,despite the ‘ONE PEOPLE,ONE NATION,ONE SINGAPORE’ THEME SONG don’t seem to be cohesive nor collaborative at all?!

The trouble is that this song is meant for the people of our establishment, the people who are “connected” directly or indirectly to a certain party here in Singapore. They are of course united because they have much more to gain by being together. This is no different from the Junta and the army in Myanmar where their personal interests are interlocked with the nation’s. Hence, the rich becomes richer and the poor becomes poorer in both Singapore and Myanmar.

It’s no surprise that the latest Gini-coefficients (measure of rich and poor divide) of both Singapore and Myanmar are quite similar. According to UN info:
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/singapore/2009/ – Singapore’s is 42.5 (highest among the 1st world’s nations)
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/myanmar/2009/ – Myanmar’s is 40.0

By comparison, these 4 western countries with similar population size as Singapore’s:
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/ireland/2009/ – 34.3
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/denmark/2009/ – 24.7
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/finland/2009/ – 26.9
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/norway/2009/ – 25.8

aungzaya on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:39 pm

Yes…Stand up all SC citizens,

Don’t stand only on Top tier hoping special gift form the haven, but also go & stand on Lower, middle color FTs& Bottom levels to replace the blue-color FW.

With hearty patient, without a lot complaints, reducing living expense, Do work hardly without justifying the salary more than deserved.

Go & stand up to fill up all levels with fellow SCs, without arguing if you are in risky & dirty work environment.

Like citizens in every countries, do take part bravely and keep responsible in place of poor Foreign General Workers.

“Climb to high scaffold…Weld the joints…Drive the cranes…Carry the heavy tools…”

Companies will surely welcome those fellow SCs..

Stop blaming to FW, FTs…..Go and apply..Construction & Ship yards need a lot of General workers…

Stand up..on all tiers..all level..built Singapore merely with local unify people…Good…Hoping this dream come true.

test on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:44 pm

kS on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 1:51 pm

A first world country with some untamed prat.

Hi Admin.

Please delete all bert’s comments

Thanks

aungzaya on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:03 pm

Go to Jurong Island, Bukom Island…walk around this risky environment..oil & gas chemical plant operation as well as construction…how many percentage of SC among experts & workers?

A very few…! Why they, SC, don’t participate there..

Go to the water treatment plants

Go to building & Circle line construction

Go to Shipyards….

Why the ratio of SC is quite low…??

It is for your country infrastructure..how important it is?
Why most of you keep away?

In other countries..all citizens work together all levels…if the salary is enough to survive family..For country long term interest, it is deserve to do..don’t say salary either high or low after deport those FW & FT.

A Kaung O on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:04 pm

@Bert

Please behave yourself. Please try to type “Myanmar” correctly instead of “mynamas”. Are you really Singaporean? I think that you are too rude.

Please don’t blame to “Myanmar” or “FT”. There are many Myanmar working as senior executive in MNC, local SME, Healthcare and Universities.

We are neither so stupid as you said nor low standard.

Cheers!

Lousy Admin on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:05 pm

Can’t speak English well? So what? Asian are not native Eng speaker. As long as she can do her duty, there is nothing to complain.
I see you are complaining about low salary market by posting unrelated issue. You know you are doing personal attack on that lady?
Think wisely! This is consequence of your government policy. They support Junta by all means. As a result, people from country of stupid government flock into your lousy island. But don’t complain them too. Without their wise policy, you won’t even be able to use internet like now.

kock on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:09 pm

B**t is like a dog .He know well how to bark in English but he don know how to work. I may request Mr.Lee to assign him as a sg guard for the purpose of barking to all foreigner. I am really scared him because I have never seen human dog before like him. May be sg film directors can take profit on it.They can produce a documentry film with title of ‘Human Dog’.

Hey B**t. let me help you…barking here cannot make you to get a job. Only Working hard can give you your job back. So do not waste your time Man.
Seriouly Get a life frist.

Andytansg on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:32 pm

Walao!!! show some loves lah brada………..hatred,detest,loathing…why got such thing in your hearts………….Why ppl following these tricky comments and blame each other? Dont do like that one lah!!!!!!love each other lah (for the sake of currypuff)! Though i said show some loves for all, Bert, i feel ashamed of you as my fellow singaporean….Why do you have to fight like a mad dog trying to bite all those come by?Cant you show some class, brada? Anyway, I am so sick of racial issues here and following someone’s tricky trap like blaming Gov as they cant speak up and doing things against gov…..God dman it….So all ppl chillax and show loves…Everyone cheers….

Cheers Singaporean and All races and FT
MAJULAH SINGAPURA………..Andy

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:35 pm

> MgHtay: I am one step away from becoming a Singapore Citizen. I’ll be so proud of being one of the hard working Singaporeans, not the whining kiasu pussies,

So, would you also care to serve in our national service in defence of Singapore?

Asiahigh on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:41 pm

Below were a small selection of past articles written to support the democracy cause in Myanmar. I might be a ‘lazy’ or ‘bastards’ Singaporeans that some had harshly commented, but I would never contribute in a country that sell arms to an army that shoot my own kind. For those Myanmarese working here with harsh words, so much for being self superior moral beings, perhaps your own countrymen back in Yangoon had some kind words for you.

TR, like the rest, are amatuer websites run by people who have other full time jobs. These articles are not meant to be taken word by word. The gist of the article is about the country’s immigration policies, not with any other nationalities. Show us the tolerance of the Buddhist side and when the people of Myanmar needs help, rest assure that these sites will rise to the occasion once again.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/01/2-arrested-for-protest/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/01/response-to-media-queries-on-arrests-of-two-singaporeans-who-staged-a-protest-in-mom/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/03/singaporean-activists-protest-orchid-naming-for-burmas-pm/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/george-yeo-is-mistaken-about-burmas-history/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/sm-goh-says-aung-san-suu-kyi-part-of-the-problem-in-burma/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/8-8-88-anniversary-burma-a-bloody-history/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/dirty-money-in-singapore-perception-or-reality/

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/crisis-in-myanmar-and-the-responsibility-to-protect/

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/2778-myanmar-junta-siphons-gas-revenue-into-singapore-banks

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-937.htm

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-925.htm

http://www.yawningbread.org/apdx_2008/imp-375.htm

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-887.htm

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-880.htm

http://www.altsean.org/Research/SPDC%20Whos%20Who/Armssuppliers.htm#Singapore

Punish the stupid Journalist and Public Newspaper on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:51 pm

Dear all myanmar friends,

Don’t waste your time in here. We should try to take a law into stupid Journalist and public newspaper. They must apologize and to Yin for their against the Human rights law. They should not declare by name and our nationality. They don’t have access rights to do this kind of stupid things.
We should support her as much as possible.

Andytansg on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 3:11 pm

Someone who has created this post by intention of raising political or social tensions will seemingly smiling while he was reading all these nonsense fighting comments…..all people (All SGs & FTs ), why cant we just chill and show some class?

Majulah Singapura
Andytan

Golden Land on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 3:23 pm

Don’t want to argue too much with Poor Singaporean.

Check below and try to avoid lol

Singapore English V.s. British English

WHEN GIVING A CUSTOMER BAD NEWS
Britons: I’m sorry, Sir, but we don’t seem to have the sweater you
want in your size, but if you give me a moment, I can call the other
outlets for you.
Singaporeans: No Stock.

RETURNING A CALL
Britons: Hello, this is John Smith. Did anyone call me a few moments ago?
Singaporeans: Hello, u call me ah?

ASKING SOMEONE TO MAKE WAY
Britons: Excuse me, I’d like to get by. Would you please make way?
Singaporeans: S-kews me

WHEN SOMEONE OFFERS TO PAY
Britons: Hey, put your wallet away, this drink is on me.
Singaporeans: No-need, lah.

WHEN ASKING FOR PERMISSION
Britons: Excuse me, but do you think it would be possible for me to
entre through this door?
Singaporeans: (pointing the door) can ar?

WHEN ENTERTAINING
Britons: Please make yourself right at home.
Singaporeans: Don’t be shy, lah!

WHEN DOUBTING SOMEONE
Britons: I don’t recall you giving me the money.
Singaporeans: Where got?

WHEN DECLINING AN OFFER
Britons: I’d prefer not to do that, if you don’t mind.
Singaporeans: Don’t want la…

IN DISAGREEING ON A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION
Britons: Err. Tom, I have to stop you there. I understand where you’re
coming from, but I really have to disagree with what you said about the issue.
Singaporeans: You mad, ah?

WHEN ASKING SOMEONE TO LOWER THEIR VOICE.
Britons: Excuse me, but could you please ! lower your voice, I’m
trying to concentrate over here.
Singaporeans: Shut up lah!

WHEN ASKING SOMEONE IF HE/SHE KNOWS YOU.
Britons: Excuse me, but I noticed you staring at me for some time.. Do
I know you?
Singaporeans: See what, see what?

WHEN ASSESSING A TIGHT SITUATION.
Britons: We seem to be in a bit of a predicament at the moment.
Singaporeans: Die-lah!!

WHEN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED
Britons: Will someone tell me what has just happened?
Singaporeans: Wat happen, why like that….

WHEN SOME ONE DID SOMETHING WRONG
Britons: This isn’t the way to do it here let me show you,
Singaporeans: like that also don’t know how to do!!!!

singapore ma ma on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 3:27 pm

Scary to come / go / stay to Singapore, by all MEAN! People in a beautiful country.

singapore ma ma on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 3:40 pm

all @ somewhere apparently you have many SPARE FREE TIME and wish you should not fritter this and should spend effectively for your own country! Not quite sure where you come from?
by the way, Singapore is talking very good ENGLISH HE HEEEEE!
ANGRY GO TO HELL!

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 3:54 pm

The simple truth is that in an accounting job, ONE WILL NEED STRONG COMMAND OF ENGLISH LANGUAGE to read SOURCE DOCUMENTS of ALL KINDS AND ALL DESCRIPTS to decide on the appropriate accounting entries to be made (if any)

If the subject person of interest of discussion here is working as a talented graphic designer, an IT expert, a genius design engineer or a skilled naval architect, the command of competent English Language is far less relevant and critical to his/her job performance.

Can anyone imagine someone (anyone indeed) with no working knowledge of acceptable English language receiving a source document which has on it these words “buying a butterfly spread” of $25 million and instead of journalising the transaction accordingly threw it into the bin thinking it was an business “stupid” prank or hoax, how dangerous is it for wrong accounting is the amount is substantial???

For the public record of informed discussion, a “butterfly spread” is NOT an insect but a risk option position requiring specific accounting entry when the transaction has occurred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_(finance)

So if I was hiring an accountant for my business, the most fundamental question must be

a) relevant accounting qualification and experience

b) excellent command of English Language if it is NOT a native born or from a native English speaking country.

A QUEEN’S ENGLISH IS NOT NEEDED, JUST A COMPREHENSIBLE WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF ENGLISH SUFFICIENT FOR THE ROLE ACCOMPLISHMENT WOULD SUIT ME FINE – never mind the nationality, ethnnicity, race or religion of the prospective employee as THESE ARE IRRELEVANT CONSIDERATION UNLESS THE LAW REQUIRE THAT IT MUST BE A SINGAPORE CITIZEN FOR SOME REASONS like working in defence establishments etc.

All those bloggers talking about “perfection” of English is just misplaced trolling. The test must be “working knowledge” of English NOT REQUIRING FURTHER ASSISTANCE ON THE JOB OR OFF THE JOB TRAINING if the aim is to hire foreign talent.

Without that basic English Language, is it talent “relevant” and “sufficient” for the job a foreigner (any foreigner be it the case instead of Ms. Yin) is hired for? If this conditions are not satisfied, then it is a case of hiring foreigner, NOT FOREIGN TALENT AT ALL.

concerned on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:10 pm

That just about does it. Never again will I hire someone from Myanmar. Neither will I sympathize with them with how the junta is mistreating them

In fact, I will even stop critisizing the MIW in support the Junta to suppress them.

Good luck to all in this forum from Myanmar.

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:45 pm

> A Kaung O: Please don’t blame to “Myanmar” or “FT”. There are many Myanmar working as senior executive in MNC, local SME, Healthcare and Universities. We are neither so stupid as you said nor low standard.

And while you are here, please be nice to Singaporeans and don’t call Singaporeans lazy. You are our guest workers here. Do remember that.

> kock: Hey B**t. let me help you…barking here cannot make you to get a job. Only Working hard can give you your job back. So do not waste your time Man.

I might add, working hard and be willing to accept low salaries (all thanks to the PAP Govt for allowing huge influx of cheap foreigners from 3rd world countries to come work here).

> Andytansg: Why ppl following these tricky comments and blame each other? Dont do like that one lah!!!!!!love each other lah (for the sake of currypuff)! .

It’s going to be hard to convince a 40 year old Singaporean who was retrenched and replaced by a cheaper foreign worker to love foreign workers. I hope you don’t get replaced by a cheap FT one day. You might be singing a very different song here.

Kojakbt
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SLORC on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 4:56 pm

Come back to Myanmar! Singaporeans no love you no more, cos’ Myanmarese no good. Than Shwe will give you hug, happy happy?

Kojakbt on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 5:06 pm

> Punish the stupid Journalist and Public Newspaper: Don’t waste your time in here. We should try to take a law into stupid Journalist and public newspaper. They must apologize and to Yin for their against the Human rights law. They should not declare by name and our nationality. They don’t have access rights to do this kind of stupid things.

First of all, I must say that this little incident does show a very different perception of news reporting and the press. It also shows that some of these Myanmese are very ignorant of the concept of news reporting. Reading through the ST article itself, I do not see anything wrong with it. Ms Yin’s name and nationalitiy were published and most likely, she offered the information when she was interviewed by ST. When you offer your personal information to the reporter, you are in fact giving him the rights to publish your data. If you don’t want to reveal your identity, then decline to give the reporter any personal information.

By constantly barking here asking TR or ST to apologise for the disclosure, you are in fact showing how stupid you Myanmese are. This leads me to another question. How are people from these foreign cultures expected to be integrated into Singapore when they can’t even understand the simple concept of news reporting?

Lastly, to be fair to Ms Yin, after careful reading of the news article, we see that she is able to speak Mandarin. Most likely, she is a Myanmese of Chinese descent (there were many ex-KMT nationalists who were left behind in Myanmar after the Chinese civil war). If this is the case, perhaps it’s not so inconceivable that the SME boss hired her as an “account executive” especially if the SME deals with mostly local Chinese speaking businesses.

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Tom on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 5:15 pm

Hello Burmese,

Please read the article properly and not let your brains be jammed.

Many Singaporeans feel aggrieved by Govt’s pro-foreign talent policy.

Do you all really feel that you Burmese are better than Singaporeans? My experience tells me no. Cheap foreigners are just ‘VALUE FOR MONEY’, definitely not BETTER.

PHOE TOTE, Myanmar on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 5:27 pm

The writer has no right to use her name and shall not describe in public journal. What a shameless writer! This is an insult! Insulting a people is an insulting a nation. We wait your public applogies for using her name and her country.

panaslayer09 on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 5:52 pm

Hee Hee! “For the sake of curry puff?” ROFL!!!! that’s the best comment I’ve ever read! Show some loves lah, brada… a ha ha ha

Ixnay on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 6:31 pm

To ALL FTs in Singapore.

1st. Please know your place.
2nd. The article is not talking about FTs but Singapore government’s flawed policy.
3rd. If you are really that wonderful, you are free to leave. I believe many 1st world countries would want to have you in their country, since you are so capable.

All I can say is that Singapore made it from 3rd world to 1st without the influx of foreigners in the past, so please do not think too highly of yourself, especially now that you are here.

Tom on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 6:38 pm

Dear Phoe Tote & all Burmese Friends,

We owe no apologies and I hope TR think likewise.

Me Me Aye on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 6:43 pm

Hi all

This is one of myanmar citizens and living and working in singapore according to the situation.

Of course, most of our myanmar are not very good in english.
But not all myanmar people are bad in english and not all singaporean are good in english.

But, if the someone want to fight the other one, this fella have to safe your side first.

And if we can’t replace the responsibily of yours, the singaporean bosses will not employ the foreigners with love and kindness.

If there is no foreigners in singapore, I don’t know how it looks like.

Our foreigners have to work in singapore like a slave.

At the time singaporeans go back home and watching TV and go shopping and do other things, we have to stay back at office and have to work at the time we are hungry and sometimes not feeling well.

Singaporeans can take MC as they like and if the foreigners take MC, at the time we are sleeping because of sickness, the HR Manager calls and ask us to come and work.

If it’s necessary, we have to work 4 or 5 weeks continuously and can’t take off so long time. And we have to work also the public holidays mostly.

Some of the accounts assistants were asked by the boss to go and clean the toilet.
Some have to do other jobs that’s not really related with them and so embarrasing.
Some of the workers were fighted personally by boss or ther senior people.

We work like a slave and we can send back to our own country just $400 or $500.
Is there anyone jealous upon us?

Did any singaporeans have such kinds of experience?

If you are the boss, do you want the cheap, respect, hardworking and the one that available anytime or someone else? Can I have your idea pls?

Becuase of the government is very good upon your citizens, all singaporeans can live happily and healthily and wealthily. Nothing to be jealouse. But if the singaporeans comment us like that, do you know how do we feel?

Please take a look at our side.
We are working for all of your singaporean to be rich and can stay peacefully and smartly.

Thanks you.

A Myanmar national on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 7:12 pm

If you want to critize PAP related with their FT policy, just criticize so. Don’t insult our Myanmar nationals. It shows your immaturity and Bloody-mindset. In this era of globalization, you should adopt a holistic point of view to make your criticism legitimate and credible.
I wish you have broad-mindset to respect human beings on earth regardless of nationality! As a Myanmar national, I am proud of myself, because of our beautiful scenery and rich cultural heritage.
You, yourself are telling that your ancestors transformed your tiny fishing third world to a first world city state. No nation on earth born rich. Every nation has its own history and culture.
Today, my country has problems with governance, it doesn’t mean that we, people are not good. We, our Myanmar people, are one of the courteous, gracious, kind and humble people on earth!
May I request, please, stop insulting our nationals! PLEASE. You should at least have understanding on human dignity. I wish you should show your human side, rather than your selfish, thoughtless mindset with superiority complex!

FT Girl on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 7:15 pm

*I don’t care ae ae ae ae ae..I don’t care ae ae ae ae…boys I don’t care*

b**t is still barking like hell when we sing the songs..
hahah so silly b**t

min moe kyaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 7:20 pm

To all bullshit singaporeans ( not to educated and matured ones)
Dont jealous FTs .. Most of us are better than u guys ,that’s y we can easily get jobs here and can make u guys jealous..Be smart and dont be so dumb..
Let me remind u guys that FTs are not cheap labours , u can say them cheaper and better labours compared to those foolish singaporeans.,.,It’s not unusual that every employers want better staffs..Before saying somethg ,,think first and use ur brain,,,I believe afew of singaporeans know how to use brain,, Dont blame on ur gov..they are smart are that’s y they can rule u dumb guys.. u all know how to bark only..whenever u guys losing jobs and being sacked due to poor port and dont know how to control and educate your own childrens..

Master on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 7:28 pm

hey,

If we can perform better, we wont come to small city. we will go other country which is better than singapore..
Do you think singapore is that great? please wake up from dreaming.
Furthermore,in asia, the ability of speaking to understand other party is enough to work.
It is asia. let me repeat “It is Asia”. it is not your step-father western country.

TTCG on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 7:45 pm

To Kajabt,

You might see or miss my comments above. But, I think most of us are angry about these 3 lines. In my opinion, ST article is nothing to with these arguments. The problem is this TR article in which the author looked down on her.

My question is which SME boss will hire the accountant position for SC ITE or GCE O level compared to 1 year experience accountant FT (from any country)? It’s not about cheap labour and money. It’s about skill. If the author write that, this poisition can be fullfilled by SC accountant, I have no objection. This article is really insulting her.

>>>>In all likelihood, Ms Yin is probably doing some simple book-keeping at a local SME which employed her due to lower wage demands.

>>>>With due respect to Ms Yin, her job can be easily taken over by any Singaporean with a ITE or “O” level certificate.

Untalent Myanmar Guy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:09 pm

Hey, this article is successful..
We Myanmar fall under this WRITER trick.
He want this attention..
Now a lot of people are commenting on this article.
He is successful now.
Don’t post any comment any more.
It is just a tricky politic.

Now we are a pawn in this bullshit game. and the writer got what he want already.

We love Singaporean and Singaporean Government.
Long live PAP.

PYN on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:15 pm

This is discriminating.

I am just a bit suprise to hear this kinda thing from Singaporean because I thought Singapore is a country where understand and apply equality of opportunities since it’s a developed country.

Apart from that, this makes me doubt that Singaporean want to stop the migrating flow because, after reading this title, I feel like no more coming to Singapore, not even a visit. Bad impression!

J on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:24 pm

@Me Me Aye,

I do not know which company you work for, but many Singaporeans I know also stay back at the office, and work when they are unwell. Do you mean to say we aren’t hardworking as well? What do you mean we can take MC when we like? I hope you can substantiate this.

Not all singaporeans are happy, healthy and wealthy. We wouldn’t be having this issue if we all were. You may work like a slave and only have a few hundred dollars to send back, but our elderly work like slaves and do not have enough to eat.

And do you know how we feel when your fellow Myanmese, who are here as guests, are so ungrateful for what they have been given and keep insulting us, the citizens of this country? When the original article never insulted them in the first place?

ZAW on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:41 pm

Ixnay: 1st Think twice before you speak out.
2nd: Do u think Singapore can develop without foreign investment which was initiated by current ruling government.
3rd How do u think what the expectation of Foreign Investment would be?
4th Since Singapore is practising open market, something like current situation is one of the expected consequences though government tried to protect citizen.
5th You do NOT need to remind us, Burmese, to go to first world countries coz each and everyone of Burmese will fly to those countries once we have the chance knowing that we must have certain value to fight again there. It is also because of knowing that situation of Singapore would be up side down since it is fully depending on other countries and it does NOT have any natural resources. Even children are suffering long or short sightedness since they were in cradle. I do NOT wish my next generation would suffer such kind of diseases.
Last but not least, bear in mind you need to have a competitive edge as long as u r in so called open market.

J on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:47 pm

All of you whining about how we are insulting you, just scroll up and see how many more comments there are of you insulting us.

Your comments easily outnumber ours 5:1, yet you still want to play the victim.

@A Myanmar national
“We, our Myanmar people, are one of the courteous, gracious, kind and humble people on earth!”

Reading the comments, I was unable to come to the same conclusion.

J on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:49 pm

ITE has accountancy courses too, in case you were not aware.

http://www.ite.edu.sg/ft/hnitec_ac.htm

So, ITE accountacy grads are not qualified to take up the job?

kS on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:51 pm

Time to stopppppppppppppppppppppppppp.

kS on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 8:54 pm

ajaaja stop stop
pls pls stop stop
singa singa stop stop
bama bama stop stop

all all stop stop
admin admin stop stop

Douglas on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:21 pm

Oh, I seem to hit some nerves for telling the truth. Sorry ! Don’t mind me. I didn’t mean in a derogatory way when I mentioned about a Singaporean dentist in LA who couldn’t say ”open wide ” properly. He was (is) a superb dentist .I merely pointed out ,like Yin , his English ,not being his mother’s tongue, was not 100% perfect. But his dental/technical knowledge was perfect. Perhaps ,Yin is not unlike this dentist. But you wouldn’t find this dentist’s face splashed over the front page of LA Times if he had taken some elocution English lessons even at a free community classes for which there are many in LA. Hi, they have free Spanish classes too ! You’re welcome anytime. Don’t worry ,you won’t make the headlines.

But still, I couldn’t help wondering if Yin was a Muslin lady and wears Hijab headscarf ,
would her face be over the front page and her ability commented in the way it did .Dare You?
I doubt it.

P.S Myanmar people don’t have inferiority Complex, like some suggested.
They just aren’t too sure of themselves ,given their situation they’re in.

A Myanmar National on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:32 pm

Hey J,

It might be reflection on your own ways of thinking and behaving! I have really good Singaporean friends. They are kind and mature enough. I feel thankful for that as well. I believe that they will also recognize the fact that I am a courteous and humble person.

May you all stop racist kind of comments. May all human beings on earth freed from torturing each other in words or in action!

anonymous on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:33 pm

Temasek Review always use extreme bias in reports for political goals.

TTCG on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:35 pm

nobody answer and quote my questions?
u all r pointing out some faults in our comments to cover good points in our comments.

anonymous on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:46 pm

bert on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:24 pm

You are a big disgrace and huge shame, a great malu to Singapore.

Burmese Guy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:50 pm

PLEASE STOP ARGUING EACH OTHER. LET’S HAVE A PEACE WORLD AND WORK THE BEST FOR YOURSELF, YOUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.

Me Me Aye on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:54 pm

Is there any singaporean account assistant was asked by the boss to clean the toilet?

Your old aunties and uncles have to work like a slave and can’t earn enough money because of you guys don’t take care of your parents. Instead of blaming other people, you shd teach your kids how to respect your parents.

Our country is not develop like your country but mostly all of the old people who have the children receive taking care of their children and no need to work.

We respect our parents like a god.

I don’t know for abt other people. For myself, I didn’t intend to insult your singaporeans and just want to let you all know how we have to suffer here.
Because of we suffer, we can get a small benefit.

And one more thing you all singaporean need to know is, not all myanmar come and work and stay here are starving people. We have so many reasons to come and stay here.

And the beginning of insulting people is not come out from myanmar people.
You know where it’s come from, right?

Project Manager on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:59 pm

I have a Myanmar foreman. Claims to have a degree. Work wise so so, but his English is abysmal and I have a hard time understanding him. Thus he waste a lot of my time. I wanted to replace him with a Filipino who speaks better English, or a PRC. But I heard that he was chased out from Myanmar due to political reasons. So I took pity on him and let him stay on while I bear with his broken English.

After reading the comments here, I realise Myanmar people don’t repay kindness, so why should I bear with their broken English? On Monday, I am going to sack my Myanmar foreman and replace him with another guy.

Zin on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:38 pm

Don’t point out Myanmar. Some nationality also can not speak english well. If employers don’t like the job applicant, they can cancel at the first interview. Why they hire? The answer is they like. That’s why they hire. No body push them. Don’t discriminate. Don’t look down. Think carefully before speak out. Myanmars are hard working, reliable, energetic and honesty. Everybody has good and bad. Who are supporting Singapore? Later foreigners will not register english class for their future because of this article. So who lose money? Singapore business men lose money.

PL on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:50 pm

ppl just stopppppppppppppppppp

bert on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 10:55 pm

there is really no stop to the supply of these vermins and roaches with useless life. lol.

see how these low-life deceitful lying mynamas twist and turn and beat around the bush with their half-baked english. shit. and if you criticise them they will all pounce on you like a pack of mad dogs.

i mean, who gives a shit if you were not born in singapore.
yes, stupid ungrateful mynamas, singaporeans is above foreigners in singapore. you have any problem with that. not happy you can alway get lost to your junta useless life. ha ha.

hey stupid ungrateful mynamas, listen again, get this into your numb skull. please get a dictationary to understand the simple english here.

you are here not because you are good at anything. it is because we have a fucked-up pee-a-pee government not unlike the junta you have in your slumland. you mynamas are just selfish and arrogant, and becoming lazier and fussy as you enjoy the benefits here.

Aung on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:11 pm

“I have a Myanmar foreman. Claims to have a degree. Work wise so so, but his English is abysmal and I have a hard time understanding him. Thus he waste a lot of my time. I wanted to replace him with a Filipino who speaks better English, or a PRC. But I heard that he was chased out from Myanmar due to political reasons. So I took pity on him and let him
stay on while I bear with his broken English.”

Let me re-write with my “abysmal” English which I learned
from a Burmese high school. Please bear with me.

“I have a colleague, a foreman who came from Myanmar.
He claims to have earned a degree. He is a hardworker
and competent but he has communication problems
especially converational English and therefore I
have to invest a lot of time communicating with him.”

BTW, may I know hat kind of project do you manage?
Wiping asses or what?

MUAHAHA on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:15 pm

What a bunch of idiots… If you guys are that great, why is myanmar in such a shape?

If you guys are that hardworking? Then do something about your own country! You guys disgust me! Cowards and a bunch of low lifes!

If nobody wants to do the job, the Singapore government should raise the pay! and not hire a bunch of low lifes who leeches and be ungrateful!

and to mydaydream, what are u going to do about it? F**k back to your country and straighten things out back there 1st… Size of country is not an excuse!

theinzaw on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:23 pm

Do you know the untold history behind why Singapore become developed?

Under Gen. New Win regime, there had one proposal to make a canal, (like Suez canal) through the narrow portion above the malay peninsula.

At that time all SEA nationals just become newly independent from British colony.Singapore request Gen. Ne Win to stop this plan as it will make the whole island isolated and useless for shipping & Port.

I am not sure the hidden reason, Gen. Ne Win rejected this proposal of high demand from western & US.(Ne Win is the close market mindset who afraid the foreigner access to Myanmar).

Nowadays this demand is raised again. But the demand is came form unexpected one.It is from the Biggest Red. Now the huge pipe line project has been started, later….the Canal.

Let’s see what will become this rumor is true..

Project Manager on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:36 pm

Aung,

My project is clearing bodily waste left by Myanmar people at Peninsular plaza, and outside the Myanmar embassy. You guys still haven’t grasp the concept of toilets. The Myanmar foreman I mentioned supervises the workers but sometimes he has to do the work himself. I have to admit he is good at clearing bodily waste although his English is incoherent.

Currently Myanmar nationals are still able to wipe their own asses so I don’t see business of Myanmar wiping asses coming my way soon. I can see you are quite interested in this industry, so leave your contact here and when I have an opening I will contact you.

Thiha on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:45 pm

DISCLAIMER: xxx Khay-zu-din-ba-leh!

ူlol.. “Khay-zu-din-ba-leh!” means “thank me” instead of “thank you”..

“ေက်းဇူးတင္ပါလား” တဲ့ ဟားဟား…

gtcboy on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:52 pm

Do you think if your O levels can substitute foreigners like Ms.yin ? I say to you all ” Good Luck “

LehmanBrothers on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 11:58 pm

My goodness, I have never seen so many responses to a TR article! 300+ in 3 days, that has to be a record! I think it’s safe to concur with a previous TR article that the issue of foreigners will be the hottest topic in the coming election.

I haven’t read all the comments, but from what I gathered, the main viewpoint put forward by Singaporeans is mainly that foreign workers in lower-paying jobs are not necessarily better than Singaporeans except that they can work for lower wages because of factors such as the exchange rate, CPF, and NS. The opposing viewpoint is that Singaporeans are lazy, fussy, unwilling to work 6 days a week, do overtime, and the like.

I hope TR can explore this issue in a future article, and produce a rigorous comparison between local and foreign workers to find out whether the different lies in exchange rate and such, or something else.

In light of the likely imminence of the election, I also hope that TR can write an article on the issue of foreigners as a special election edition. Its content could feature, for example, how the government was able to implement such policies that, whether right or wrong, were especially disliked by the population, and how opposition presence in parliament might change things.

Aung on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:08 am

To project manager

I give you credit for your sense of humour.

Your Boss on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:22 am

If you foreigners think you are winning the argument, let me remind you that not all that come to this page are locals competing with you for a job. Some are employers employing you and your countrymen.

What I read here changed my view of foreigners in Singapore completely. You win online but you’ll lose offline. Live and let live, don’t ruin your country’s image. Nobody wins in such tic-for-tac insults, more so if your a foreigner making a living in a foreign country.

Aung on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:24 am

to “theinzaw”

That canal you mentioned was not to be built across
Burma but Thailand. See the news article below.

http://www.thaipro.com/thailand_00/109_kra_canal.htm

Myanmar Bad Karma on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:27 am

Myanmar has bad karma with all the floods and bloodshed. I can see where the bad Karma is coming from, ungrateful Myanmarese leeching in Singapore and insulting their hosts.

Tom on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:44 am

Dear Fellow Singaporeans,

Let us be more gracious in these times, and we will be rewarded in due time.

Let us not forget that we are responsible for our own future and not what others say, do or think.

We should not forget our past and we must wake up. These are indeed turbulent times – a lot of people are suffering.

Singaporeans must unite for a better future.

We cannot rest on our laurels and I am sure the government of Singapore has not lost it. I really hope so.

Nay Maung on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:45 am

I have nothing to express my personal feeling; But have to point out some facts:
1. Do the Newspaper Journalist and Editor have the right to publish the other personal affair? (Where is the diginity?)
shameful..

Aung on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 12:58 am

No Burmese is feeling upset or denying that an average Singaporean can speak and write better in English than
an average Burmese. We have a lot to learn from our
Singapore.

What made me upset is that our countrymen are being
picked on, insulted – finger pointing, name calling.

We felt like we are strayed kids who has to come out
of home to win our own bread (without adequate
preparation for life skills) whose mother has been
forced to sleep with thugs at home (junta, while her
reputation is being tarnished by oppposition beggers
in exile who are waging smear campaign to ruin our
mother reputation so that they can export more IDP).
We have to win a bread for us and our family at home,
and we have to pay tribute to the thugs at home (
income tax to junta). Still, on day to day basis,
those teen wage earners (us) have to bear insults, embarassment from petty bullies who knows that we
have no one to turn to.

Dont you dare to raise your finger and say the same
thing towards expatriates from PRC, India, etc..
Why us?

theinzaw on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:01 am

All Myanmar,

Proud of yourself for some street names are after our country.

Rangoon Road
Irrawaddy Road
——-

That mentions most Singaporean are respect to us

Forget the meaningless words from mental disorders, jobless guy.

Don’t waste your valuable time..have a rest, upgrade yourself more and more..for not only English but also experience and knowledge..although Singapore technology is just copy from others, their working procedure is forced to follow ISO…
Let’s learn both..

If here were no place for us, we have another chances..don’t worry..

last time, labor & consumer market has been SEA countries..Singapore become focal point.

Nowadays, it shifts to China…where LABOR WAGE IS LOW with half open market policy….See on Map.. Myanmar is center & short access to Indian, China & SEA..of THREE HUGE POPULATION..

Because of political unstable, the sanction is across the gateway..after 2010, whoever success the election, both party accept for open market…all Myanmar, as well as Junta know useless of close door…

The time of economic downturn &
The time when the All MNC companies are seeking LOW LABOR WAGE & POPULATION DEMAND…

How can work with that idea of demand to reduce the population & increase the Salary..

OK..carry on..let’s see what will become this idea becomes practical movement.

PL on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:11 am

Ref: Andytansg on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 2:32 pm

lol for the sake of currypuff!! u did bring me some smile brada. i’m so sick of racial tensions as well. some comments (both locals and burmese) shocked me.

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:27 am

> concerned: That just about does it. Never again will I hire someone from Myanmar. Neither will I sympathize with them with how the junta is mistreating them

> Project Manager: After reading the comments here, I realise Myanmar people don’t repay kindness, so why should I bear with their broken English? On Monday, I am going to sack my Myanmar foreman and replace him with another guy.

Bros, same for me here. In my company, we have made a conscious decision not to hire any Myanmese IT people directly from Myanmese Univs after a few interviews and assessments of them. However, we were open to hiring those Myanmese who went through our polys and univs. But I think after seeing all these negative comments about Singaporeans from them here and thus revealing that they are essentially an ungrateful lot, I’m going to tell my company to stop hiring Myanmese altogether. In fact, I’d be telling my other business associates about this incident and advising them not to waste time hiring Myanmese. Please help to spread the words around to your other Singapore friends and associates. Let them go back to their own country and work since they are so “nationalistic” about it.

anonymous on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:33 am

TR, if your Alexa go up, don’t be proud. It went up because many foreigners come here to complain your xenophobic propaganda. Nothing to be smug about. Period.

anonymous on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:41 am

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:27 am,

Xenophobic.

Vicky on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:49 am

In my point of view, it is quite phenomenal that those so-called Singaporeans aka ppl originated from a small fishing town are thinking like they have damn shameful RIGHTS in anyway to pretect their own beggars’ bowl from others.

Aung on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:15 am

To Kojakbt

Do you work for “Sheet Heead and Assholeciates”
(sorry wrong spelling), “Moronic Brothers” or
“Jerk Assed Ah Bing” or “Ah Lain and 7 sisters”?

If you work for such firms, you can discriminate
hiring based on rce at your own peril. Go for it.

However, if you work for a SGX listed firm, let us
know, we can short sell those firms’ securities.

douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:35 am

If you still fancy Singapore as ” a first world ” country ,Yin should get ” Legal Aid ” to sue the newspaper for defamation. ” Human rights” and ” Legal Aid ” are some benefits for the public in First world countries, even for criminals and immigrants !

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:35 am

> Aung: What made me upset is that our countrymen are being picked on, insulted – finger pointing, name calling… Dont you dare to raise your finger and say the same thing towards expatriates from PRC, India, etc.. Why us?

Er… Aung, before you try to portray yourself as the victim, please open your eyes and see what your “countrymen” are saying about us Singaporeans! And you expect us to just take your insults quietly? This is especially even more insulting when you are insulting us living in our country! Any FTs regardless of their nationalities come to Singapore and insult us, they will get exactly the same kind of treatments from us. Like I’ve said, there are many angry Singaporeans these days. Best that you guys don’t further aggrevate things in Singapore.

> anonymous: Xenophobic.

To anonymous, not hiring Myanmese doesn’t mean we are xenophobic. We are merely exercising our choices. It’s an open market, isn’t it? LOL!

> Vicky: In my point of view, it is quite phenomenal that those so-called Singaporeans aka ppl originated from a small fishing town are thinking like they have damn shameful RIGHTS in anyway to pretect their own beggars’ bowl from others.

Vicky, I think it’s you who are coming from a fishing town. Open your eyes and see the world. Which country in the world does not put its citizens first (well, I’m not too sure about Myanmar)? Singapore is no longer that small fishing town. It’s a soverign country with citizens. Just like any other country, it ought to be exercising its soverign rights to put its citizens first. It’s a bit unfortunate that it has taken some time for our PAP Govt to realise this… By the way, my latest info from friends inside ICA is that they are tightening the giving out of PRs now in Singapore…

> theinzaw: Proud of yourself for some street names are after our country. Rangoon Road, Irrawaddy Road. That mentions most Singaporean are respect to us.

theinzaw, no, we do not respect you guys especially after this cyber incident. Those road names were not named by us. They were named by the British when Singapore was a colony of the British many decades ago. So, don’t try to fool yourself thinking that we love you guys.

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:42 am

> PHOE TOTE: The writer has no right to use her name and shall not describe in public journal. What a shameless writer! This is an insult! Insulting a people is an insulting a nation. We wait your public applogies for using her name and her country.

> Nay Maung: Do the Newspaper Journalist and Editor have the right to publish the other personal affair? (Where is the diginity?) shameful..

Phoe Tote and Nay Maung, stop making fools out of yourselves. It just continues to reinforce that you Myanmese are a bunch of ignorant fools. The Straits Times wouldn’t have publish Ms Yin’s name and her personal affair without her permission. In fact, the Straits Times quoted her which meant that she must have given an interview to ST earlier. TR was merely quoting the article written by ST. Instead of asking ST or PR, why don’t you guys go ask Ms Yin if she has granted the interview to ST?

You guys are really bunch of villagers!

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:44 am

> Ixnay: All I can say is that Singapore made it from 3rd world to 1st without the influx of foreigners in the past, so please do not think too highly of yourself, especially now that you are here.

Hi Ixnay, good point. I dare say that looking at Singapore now, it seems like our society resembles more like a 3rd world one!

Blue Star on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:49 am

Oops ….At the end of reading all comments, I feel that all are wasting their precious time including me for this topic. Actually ST should not write the post with her name. It can have some effect on her job. No sympathy!!! As for me, I didn’t see any mistake even she signed up for an English class. She can do whatever she wants for her improvement. I wish that not to effect anything on her job because of this topic.

We are relying on each other. We should not blame. Please stop blaming. Nobody is perfect. Let’s do our best

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:52 am

> Me Me Aye: Our foreigners have to work in singapore like a slave. At the time singaporeans go back home and watching TV and go shopping and do other things, we have to stay back at office and have to work at the time we are hungry and sometimes not feeling well. Singaporeans can take MC as they like and if the foreigners take MC, at the time we are sleeping because of sickness, the HR Manager calls and ask us to come and work. If it’s necessary, we have to work 4 or 5 weeks continuously and can’t take off so long time. And we have to work also the public holidays mostly…. We work like a slave and we can send back to our own country just $400 or $500. Is there anyone jealous upon us?

If you are not happy, please go back home. Get some rest. You don’t really have to work like a “slave” here. Nobody is asking you to work like one here. Feel free to go home.

> If you are the boss, do you want the cheap, respect, hardworking and the one that available anytime or someone else? Can I have your idea pls?

Why ask them? If they can have their ways, they would rather slavery be brought back to the 21st century so that they only need to pay for the slave’s food and find a place to keep them…

> We are working for all of your singaporean to be rich and can stay peacefully and smartly.

No, you are helping to depress the salaries of Singaporeans.

douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:54 am

(@ bert on Sat) , said (or barked)
Slumland ! vermins and roaches. !
My, my, who rattled Bert’s cage. Do not go too close ,
he / it might bite.

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:57 am

> min moe kyaw: Let me remind u guys that FTs are not cheap labours , u can say them cheaper and better labours compared to those foolish singaporeans.,.,It’s not unusual that every employers want better staffs..

Oh spare me the BS!

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:01 am

> Master: If we can perform better, we wont come to small city. we will go other country which is better than singapore..

Thank you for confirming what we have been suspecting all along. Our PAP Govt is blindly giving work passes to 2nd rate people from 3rd world countries…

> Do you think singapore is that great? please wake up from dreaming.

You are right. Singapore is not that great a place. Hence, I think you should leave Singapore and go find a better place.

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:06 am

> PYN: I am just a bit suprise to hear this kinda thing from Singaporean because I thought Singapore is a country where understand and apply equality of opportunities since it’s a developed country.

Since when does any developed country give equal oppotunity employments to foreigners? In the US, every year Congress would only issue something like 100,000 H1B (work) visas for foreigners to work in the US. In Singapore, our PAP Govt is more generous.

> after reading this title, I feel like no more coming to Singapore, not even a visit. Bad impression!

Er… please don’t come then. We have enough of you guys here already!

douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:24 am

@ bert on Sat,
What you called ‘Slumland ” has hundreds of years of history, vast natural resources ,many times bigger than your little City state. Myanmar will still be there after your little ”First world” city disappeared from the Map.
Why don’t you take up some evening history classes to educate yourself, or some English lessons to improve your Grammar . Why not ? Miss Yin did. Oh, Nothing personal. Just an honest advice.

anonymous on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:28 am

Kojakbt on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:35 am,

LOL!!! Open market means open to all, no matter nationality or race. Don’t be a joke, idiot. Xenophobic fool.

Vicky on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:30 am

@Kojakbt

Yes, of course. The Singaporeans left in your glorious Singapore (what you ppl there think like. Sigh!) nowadays are just guard-dogs to protect your motherland from Foreign Migrants and surprisingly, you must admit the real talented native people migrated/migrating/and will migrate to the more civilised country than such a miniature fishing town!!!

No wonder, in the near future, your (Singaporeans’) younger generations would be completely replaced by your most hated so-called FTs and FWs (whatever you name it). Good luck if you get older and older!!!! Maybe you pity things would die in a gutter being a disgrace to the future Singaporeans (LOL). I wonder how you may look like wearing such a poor face of helpless woe then. hahaha

Regards,
Victoria
Moderator of a 5 cent a month Forums

Vicky on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:32 am

SPELLING CORRETION!

Sorry I should write “Sink-a-poor” instead.

douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:37 am

Kojakbt on Sun

who are you really, mate. Bill Gate ?

Wo Wo on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:55 am

US has the special opening work visa H1B1 for talented Singaporean. If you believe you are talented, try to go and work in those big countries such as US, Canada and Australia like other talented Singaporeans did. Don’t cry out loud for inability to compete with the hardworking foreigners with whom the companies think more beneficial. If you want to say about nationalism, better consult with your grandpa or grandma first.

Singapore is even not in G-20, don’t think Singapore economy is so strong to persuade Einsteins.

David Constantine on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:57 am

Well… Where are most of the Singapore’s income come from? What resource do you have? Human resource only can make money itself without any help from natural resources?

Singapore has been exploiting those countries like Burma, taking advantage of the poor domestic policy. You’ve been levying taxes of those billions of income by teak exporters and other natural resources brokers.

Singapore is the second most invested country in Burma after Great Britain. And there are tens of billions of Dollars stored in the guts of Singapore by The Military Junta which should have owned by the Burmese people.

What do you think you all can do if there’s no other countries relate with you? You come exploit our countries and take everything you can, and your country is built on that money. Don’t think your puny salary supports your city state. It’s PAP’s policy of exploiting foreign country in crisis that still running the country.

Without PAP’s lead, I doubt Singapore will still be The Singapore today. Well, you all can try oppositions. Let’s see who can be more cunning than the old Lee? If I were you guys, I’d stick with PAP which babysits you and makes you all live without worry with much cases. What Singapore would be without PAP? You wanna taste the Military Junta of Burma for a week? You’ll run and kiss Lee family. I really wish we had a government like Lee Family.

So be thankful for what you have now and don’t think you get all of these by your birth right. Look around other countries who are struggle just to eat daily. And your airport new land fill and other constructions are using sand from Burma for free. Be thankful for that and don’t hesitate to return favor. Have you lost your humanity? Without the help from other country’s where would Singapore be? I take my Singaporean friends as my own brothers and sister. If you guys are thinking like that, I’ll have to reconsider my heart’s decision towards you guys.

It doesn’t hurt my heart the article is, but it hurts me the comments below. We human should help each other out but you all want to close the gates and enjoy the richness by yourself. Forgetting where those richness would come…

What if Burma and Thailand dig a canal between Andaman Sea and Gulf of Thailand? What if all the ships going through that canal and never come to Singapore ever again? What if Burma become the hub for China and all the corporations move there? China is already an industrial Giant and what if it will become an Education Hub in Asia? What if Universities from UK come open outlets in Burma after Democratic Election?

There will be a time when you will have to go to those countries and work. Or there will be a time for your sons. Don’t make other country’s hate you guys. Beware of that you only have a blank land and hollow sea and they’re small.

Without PAP’s intervening of other county’s policies for Singaporean interests, Singapore would not much differ from those small islands wholly depending on some visitors to sell some souvenirs for survival. Be realistic and face the truth.

And if you think you are competent, let’s compete!

P.S. Don’t you ever forget that Singapore is a country of Immigrants just like United States. Your fathers and grandpas came here just like we did. Don’t forget your origin. Don’t forget who you really are.. And you’re among the Third world, whether or not your name is Smith or James. Look into your Mirror, You’re still Chinese, Indian, Malay and other Orients. You will never be an Occident whether you name yourself an Elizabeth or Karen. Once you forget your place in the world, the extinction will follow.

saw_yakhawaddy on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:12 am

I live in first world country.They speak english.I saw so many Singaporeans lived here.Most of them don’t have good job, can’t speak english and some who can
speak has a bad accent & 20% of them live here was legally, Other 80% are not.
I have no idea why they come here.They can’t do any shit….Sorry for language

Aung on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:14 am

I know I am wasting my time. Yes, I agree, I am being
defensive, guilt ridden for wasting my time:)). But
occasional flame throwing in forums is irresistible!

First of all, I am an open admirer of Singapore for
her achievement. Second, I do have several Singaporean
friends, colleagues, classmates. Being a man, I have
a soft spot for sweet demure Ah Lains! Hot Singapore
Girls you rock! Ok let’s get back to serious business.

However, I openly despise ugly Singaporeans who think
they are superiror than their poor and unfortunate
neighbours like us. Being born in a poorer and less
developed (f..ked up) country is not a cardinal sin,
choosing the life of an immigrant or an expatirate
(or FT) is not wrong either. While we cannot choose
where we were born, likewise, you cannot choose your
neighbours too. You need a hinterland, we need a hub
(for now). We (low wage countries) supply man power
for yemployers and investors so that they will not
think twice to invest there. We are not enjoying
special status in your country, being Burmese we have
to go through acid test (as LKY put it in his memoir).
Stop whining, some of you if you were born in Burma,
you may not even be washing toilets in Singapore.
Instead, those whiners may be washing toilet in a
dirty bazzar in central Burma.

For those who have pathetically bluffed that they will make
some of my country men’s lives worse by applying restrictions.
Be my guest! Rivers find their way when they will be blocked,
in short term, some of them will suffer, but in the long term,
they (whose opportunities you have blocked) will be even better off. You may be doing favours to them, perhaps you
will report them, work for them. My 2 pyars from Burma.

Inspiral Carpets on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:17 am

Why do we need incompetent foreign talents? Why do my country gives free lessons to leeches like Miss Oo? I wouldn’t want my tax money to be spend in this way? i would rather it goes into helping less fortunate Citizens. to all foreigners that belittled us, why don’t you guys just leave? I don’t welcome you here! Get It!

saw_yakhawaddy on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:22 am

sorry left something to say that they can’t do any better than chinese do.They shame to say they are from s-pore.They can only find job at chinese super market.
Do you imagine Singaporeans such as doctor, engineer work at chinese super market??????????

douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:22 am

Kojakbt on Sun

Miss Yin gave permission to the Straits Times to write this article about her in this tone ??? How naive can you get ? Perhaps, she was told lies by these reporter type, nothing unusual in that, I suppose (for a reporter, I mean).

Blueboy on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:47 am

We don’t need Incompetent Foreign talents! Please go home! You are not welcome here!

Vicky on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:56 am

Well, I hereby also need to educate these low-profile Moderator and what they named themselves employer or manager.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1976/cukpga_19760074_en_3#pt2-pb1-l1g6

This is your most admired Pa Pa UK Government Rules on Race Discrimination. Read carefully and you will find the following clauses:

“(1)It is unlawful for a person, in relation to employment by him at an establishment in Great Britain, to discriminate against another—

(a)in the arrangements he makes for the purpose of determining who should be offered that employment; or

(b)in the terms on which he offers him that employment; or

(c)by refusing or deliberately omitting to offer him that employment.

(2)It is unlawful for a person, in the case of a person employed by him at an establishment in Great Britain, to discriminate against that employee—

(a)in the terms of employment which he affords him; or

(b)in the way he affords him access to opportunities for promotion, transfer or training, or to any other benefits, facilities or services, or by refusing or deliberately omitting to afford him access to them; or

(c)by dismissing him, or subjecting him to any other detriment.”

You uneducated low-profile people do not know or have no tiny little bit knowledge about it and will never do. And you all must thank your lovely government for not practising such Race Discrimination Acts in your itsy-bitsy fishing town.

Xin on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 5:11 am

Are these people the calibre of the Foreign ‘Talents’ that we are importing now? I can’t even understand half the fk of what they are posting. Bunch of idiots.. my grandma’s English is better than these foreigners.

fishball22 on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 6:12 am

@Maw Htun
Stop sprouting rubbish. Firstly, the govt ‘needs’ to issue EP & SP to cheap trash from the 3rd world to boost profits & remain competitive. Fact is, they are NOT competitive because rents & utilities etc are outrageously high. As to where the money from that goes to, I think we all know – the black jinx hole. Why else are they not competitive? Because LKY’s education has successfully bred generations of drones who do not question the status quo. They are unable to think independently – innovation is low. Many of those who broke the mold have migrated. Sad isn’t it? Real local talent being replaced by trash from the bottom of the barrel?

Your wise LKY is a big reason why the PAP has resorted to this short-sighted non-solution of mass-importation of trash. Why do you think the SG population is the rate it is? It’s because of his ill-conceived and very successful stop-at-two policy. Then there is his admission about his mistakes on the second language policy; a policy that many talents overseas.
So NOW, what does the Govt do? It decides to bring in foreigners enmass with almost no ‘vetting’ to make up for this so-called population shortfall.

Do you think the PAP is such a great forecaster when they are unable to foresee the unbridled rise in property prices, a rise which, rose proportionally to to unbridled importation of foreigners?

Sure, the PAP is great, until you become a citizen. Why not talk to Dr Cai, a REAL talent, China born, Stanford PhD turned Singaporean who is not forced to become a taxi driver?

As for the illegal immigration problem in the US, as a legal PR here, let me tell you why there is so much ill will about it, why there are men at the border waiting to shoot them when they try to cross. Why? They come and steal construction jobs. It’s not because Americans can’t or won’t do the job – they used to. It was a good paying job until illegals came in depressed wages to the point of Americans not being able to make a decent enough living in construction.
Not only do they depress wages, they don’t contribute to the economy – a lot of their wages are remitted home. They are a drain on the system. They refuse to learn English and insist on speaking Spanish. Ironically, the US has bent to them and now I have to “PRESS 1 for English”. Courts have Spanish interpreters. They are unknown to drive without licenses or insurance. If they get into an accident, guess who’s premiums will rise because THEY are uninsured?
They bleed the system because for some reason, they get state-funded medical coverage while Americans get screwed everyday by insurance companies who won’t cover them, or because they simply can’t afford the premiums.
They screw the system because somehow, they are allowed to enroll their kids into public schools – at taxpayers expense. It has become so ridiculous that many schools teach classes 1/2 time in Spanish, 1/2 time in English. Guess who loses out?

Illegals like to claim they have a right be be here because they ‘built’ the country. BULLSHIT. They built nothing. The US was doing just fine without them. Just as SG was doing just fine not many years ago without this mass influx.

Sound familiar?

Mark my words, you think PAP is all swell – but look at the infrastructure. I trust, based on the public housing and transportation system overcrowding, that it was never built to accommodate such a huge population increase in such a short time. Do you think they are able to truly clean all that shit water you drink properly? Especially with goodness knows what new kinds of viruses, diseases, pharmaceuticals etc are now in the system that came from Timbuktu?

@ Me Me Aye
Oh boo hoo to you. You have to ‘work like a slave’ to send back S$400-$500. Please tell me, how long would an average worker have to work to MAKE S$400-$500? Cry me a river. How about crying instead of the 80 y/o widow who has to pick cardboard scraps EVERYDAY in the heat to be able to afford to EAT? Maybe cry to the native local Malays who have been displaced from their jobs because of this cheap influx and now have to sleep in tents on the beach. I feel so sorry for you Me Me Aye…NOT

alex tan on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 6:22 am

David Constantine on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 3:57 am

hi David

i am not here to get involved with your war with others but i would like to correct some claims you made.

please take note the only natural resource of Singapore is its strategic location sitting in the heart of South East Asia.

in 1819, the founder of Singapore Sir Stamford Raffles recognize Singapore’s location as a potential port. true enough, in less than 5 years, all trades have to pass by Singapore for 100+ years before the invention of airplanes. Singapore, known as Temasek back then, became the Crown Colony in South East Asia of the British Empire.

most of our Systems(education, Law, finance, Tax(today Inland Revenue), Armed Force and virtually all aspect of the government today) have the British Government to thank for and not the PAP.

going back to the point on strategic location, we just have to look at the number of Headquarters based here, the development of Singapore Airline and Keppel Holdings(sea port). these are multi-billions companies because they own the “natural resource” of location.

also, please watch your attitude when speaking here. you must know who is the host and the guest. don’t take things overboard and go ranting about “killing” and violence. let me warn you that you could be charged for criminal threat. dont ever think you are anonymous, your IP address is easily tracked and a few simple clicks can reveal your address and personal info.

for Singapore for Singaporeans

Me Me Aye on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 8:13 am

Hello Kojakbt

Be smart loh. No choice loh.

If you can, let make challenge who can work with a small salary and work nicely loh.
lols.

If you guys really dare to do that, why not u take low salary and work efficiently and drive us away from your country loh.

Then you take back your high salary from your boss loh. No ideas like that, right?

ID on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 8:19 am

@David Constantine

This is totally unacceptable. Sure both sides have said things which were exaggerated but making threats have crossed the line. You are indeed stupider than even many of the Myanmar contributors where who couldn’t even string a proper sentence together.

@Admin,

I strongly urge you to restrict any more posts with threats in it. Especially in the form that has been written by this clown call David Constantine

Unhappy NSmen on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 8:42 am

Dear Myanmar national

I have read your side of the story and understand your Plight.
I have a suggestion that can solve your problems here.
!!!Go other countries and work!!!

NUS-GRAD on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 8:49 am

#Me Me Aye on Sat, 16th Jan 2010 9:54 pm

(1)Your old aunties and uncles have to work like a slave and can’t earn enough money because of you guys don’t take care of your parents.
–> Those uncles/aunties have to work like slaves because of our crappy Govt. It is not cheap living in Singapore. You may be able to support a family of 5 or 10 with 500sgd back in Myanmar, but that is impossible in Singapore. Which is why many (if not all) of the Singaporeans are frustrated with the influx of foreigners. Our Govt has degraded the quality of Life for its own Citizen.

(2) Instead of blaming other people, you shd teach your kids how to respect your parents.
–> Irrelevant point. Anyway ..Respect has to be earned

(3) Our country is not develop like your country but mostly all of the old people who have the children receive taking care of their children and no need to work.
–> Irrelevant point again. A country whether developed or not has nothing to do with if the folks are being taken care by their children.
–> In fact in most developed countries, the old folks are taken care by their country welfare system. Unfortunately there is no such welfare in Singapore.
–> Developed country tend to has lesser children. Maybe 1 or 2..Which mean that 1 kid has to take care of 1-2 adults.
Not to forget we are also responsible for our own family and children.
–> Our folks have to work because (sad to say) we are not able to provide them enough to retire comfortably and without worries. The wage here is suppressed, the cost of living is going up.

(4) We respect our parents like a god.
–> I’m not sure if you are trying to put across the message that “Singaporeans do not respect their parents”. Unfortunately parents are not god. We respect our parents but Respect alone can’t fill your stomach. Many people here are struggling to support their parents, wife, children. You are here for the same reasons.

Being a citizen, we are just exercising our rights to highlight that our govt has failed their duty. If we have offended anyone, let me apologize on behalf of my fellow Singaporeans.

To my fellow brothers and sister, take this as a valuable lesson and vote wisely in the next election.

Tak on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 8:50 am

Ok Guys !!!!

There’s ABSOLUTELY no point in fighting and flaming each other.

Let me be an Employer/Foreign Investor in Singapore.

Please just simply give me 5 reasons why I should employ Singaporeans and give more favour than any other migrants.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:03 am

@douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:35 am
and
@Vicky on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:49 am

Before you two open your rear ends again on the subject of human rights etc etc etc, suggest you both read VERY CAREFULLY this

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26060497-2703,00.html

on the Berlin Wall

and this on race discrimination in Australia

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Outrage-over-Oz-curry-bashing/articleshow/4595938.cms

Douglas, you are just a racist (baiting racial politics with false claims that CEO from Switzerland, Germany and China can’t speak and write English in London and a fictional dentist in LA practiced dentistry in USA) blogging here behind a facade of respectability of an angel from a first world country lecturing Singapore.

And before you two fart any further on race discrimination morality AND RACE DISCRIMINATION law as applicable in a first world country like Australia, why don’t you teach me and all here how do you interepret this race discrimination law clause.

Section 7 of the NSW Anti Discrimination Act 1977 says

What constitutes discrimination on the ground of race

(1) A person ( “the perpetrator”) discriminates against another person ( “the aggrieved person”) on the ground of race if, on the ground of the aggrieved person’s race or the race of a relative or associate of the aggrieved person, the perpetrator:
(a) treats the aggrieved person less favourably than in the same circumstances, or in circumstances which are not materially different, the perpetrator treats or would treat a person of a different race or who has such a relative or associate of a different race, or
(b) segregates the aggrieved person from persons of a different race or from persons who have such a relative or associate of a different race, or
(c) requires the aggrieved person to comply with a requirement or condition with which a substantially higher proportion of persons not of that race, or who have such a relative or associate not of that race, comply or are able to comply, being a requirement which is not reasonable having regard to the circumstances of the case and with which the aggrieved person does not or is not able to comply.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) (a) and (b), something is done on the ground of a person’s race if it is done on the ground of the person’s race, a characteristic that appertains generally to persons of that race or a characteristic that is generally imputed to persons of that race.

IF YOU TWO CANNOT FATHOM AND INTERPRET THIS CONVOLUTED COMPLEXITY OF DISCRIMINATION LAW, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU SHUT YOUR ASS BEFORE YOU DIRTY THE STREETS OF SINGAPORE WITH YOUR FOULED EXCREMENT.

ွွAn Expatriate on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:03 am

Dear Singaporeans,
We understand your problem. I would like you to take these into consideration….
Apart from Singapore needing the services of FT (because it is cheap, value for money and helped Singapore’s economy),
Singapore has benefitted a thousand times more from the current Ruling Generals of Myanmar called SPDC.
Billions of their stolen dollars are hidden in Singaporean Banks today. Singapore’s alway been a valued partner in multi-million dollar businesses with Myanmar generals , as all profitable businesses in Myanmar are owned by the generals and their children for the last 20 years. Even the weapons they use to kill it’s own people were imported through Singapore in 1990s…when the rest of the world STOPPED supporting them.
These generals face visa restrictions from all other First World countries, so the only country which will provide quality Healthcare for them is Singapore .
We all know that Myanmar SPDC is a BIG embarrassment for the ASEAN and yet Singapore turned blind eye and help these THUGS prosper in every way.
If these generals were gone TOMORROW…,more than 75% of the Myanmarese in Singapore will RETURN HOME.( You can BET on it.) So please urge your own government NOT to support these TERRORISTS in Myanmar.

admin on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:08 am

Hi all,

Please refrain from using threatening language or posting your contact number here in the spur of the moment. We will censor them immediately.

We trust that everybody here is mature and sensible enough to keep the emotions and flaming within the confines of this forum.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:13 am

@douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 4:22 am

“Perhaps, she was told lies by these reporter type, nothing unusual in that, I suppose (for a reporter, I mean).”

Are you NOT talking about law in a prior post and now farting again with your SPECULATIVE CONJECTURE ( not evidential fact) that
”
Perhaps, she was told lies by these reporter type, nothing unusual in that, I suppose (for a reporter, I mean).”

YOU ARE JUST A HYPOCRITICAL TROUBLE MAKER HERE HELL BENT ON DISRUPTING A SERIOUS CIVIL DISCUSSION ON THIS BLOG.

YOU are an A@SEHOLE, absolute A@SEHOLE MASQUERADING AS AN ANGEL FOR THE DEFENCE OF GOOD CAUSE.

admin on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:32 am

@ annonymous at 1.33am

TR doesn’t work based on the traffic rankings which will fluctuate up and down with time.

We focus only on the news which sell. Whether the ranking goes up or down is secondary to us.

Hope that clarifies.

bert on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:58 am

see what i mean, bunch of ignorant mynama fools are gangsters.
i will gather more advices here before i report him to the police. hey mynamas, don’t think singaporeans can be bullied. we will track you down and put you into jail.

that is a promise.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 9:59 am

@ Tak on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 8:50 am

You want 5 reasons why an employer/foreign investors should prefer Singaporean over foreigners

1. Singaporeans bear arm, fight and maybe die to protect your business

2. Singaporeans pledged loyalty SOLEMNLY to nation for 45 EVEN WHEN WE ARE NOW TOLD A HIGHFALUTIN NONSENSE, country belongs to Singaporeans

3. Foreigners coming in here knows they are guests (THEIR PASSPORT EXPLICITLY SAYS TO LET THEM IN AS VISITORS), NOT HOST, so you don’t tell the host where he/her place is and how things work or should work here.

4. No country discriminates against its own citizenry in favour of foreigners IN FACT AND IN LAW.

5. Even foreign investors do business for profit motive or otherwise do it at the absolute pleasure and will of the hosts – for example Australia, Canada and USA even shut out foreigners from buying into their country’s business.

AND ONE MORE BONUS POINT FOR YOU – SINGAPORE’S CONSTITUTION DEFINED THE RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS OF SINGAPOREAN AND IT DOES NOT APPLY TO FOREIGNERS, SO THIS IS MY LAND AND MY COUNTRY AND I ALONE DECIDED HOW I SHALL LIVE, WORK, DEFEND AND HAVE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THIS PLACE WITHOUT FOREIGNERS TELLING ME WHAT TO DO.

Don't cry for me, Singapore on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 10:06 am

@Vicky on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 1:49 am
@douglas on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 2:35 am

GET YOUR FACTS AND SUBSTANCE RIGHT.

Before you two open your rear ends again on the subject of human rights etc etc etc, suggest you both read VERY CAREFULLY this

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26060497-2703,00.html

on the Berlin Wall

and this on race discrimination in Australia

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Outrage-over-Oz-curry-bashing/articleshow/4595938.cms

Section 7 of the NSW Anti Discrimination Act 1977 says

What constitutes discrimination on the ground of race

IF YOU TWO CANNOT FATHOM AND INTERPRET THIS CONVOLUTED COMPLEXITY OF DISCRIMINATION LAW, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU SHUT YOUR ASS BEFORE YOU DIRTY THE STREETS OF SINGAPORE WITH YOUR FOULED EXCREMENT.

ွွAn Expatriate on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 10:12 am

Dear Douglas (16th january 2010 1t 9:21 pm)
Thank You for your understanding. Burmese (Myanmar) nationals are NOT RUDE if they are treated equally as the other foreigners. But if they are being “singled-out and insulted PUBLICLY ” they have a right to respond.
I belive, with or without intention, this article had just done that ;”singled-out Myanmars and insulted them publicly”.
This will naturally bring out the UGLY SIDE of human beings, any Myanmar is not EXCEPTION.
We are not SAINTS and we are not SLAVES either.
Burmese (Myanmar) nationals are there for a simple and innocent reason like anybody else… not to cause harm or pain to the local people like some religious extremists in Western hemisphere.

There are millions of Chinese and Indians living and working in Burma (Myanmar) throughout the centuries and we have very little problem with them. (Except for ONE UGLY racial conflict between Myanmarese and Chinese in 1967, which was DELIBERATELY CREATED by the Military Guys who tried to divert their incompetence, and who are “Wheeling and Dealing ” cosily with the Communist China today). Apart from the said event, we hardly had any problem with Chinese expats. in Myanmar for centuries.
Finally, we would like to kindly request the “Singaporean Brothers and Sisters” that …..Burmese/Myanmar workers in Singapore did not Violate any Singaporean Laws ,therefore , “TO SINGLE THEM OUT and INSULTED them PUBLICLY ” is something that WILL , undoubtedly, create UGLY and UNNECESSARY consequences.. with undesireable results.
Kindly refrain from it for both communities’ sake.
Thank You.

The Dude on Sun, 17th Jan 2010 10:22 am

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