Generation Y: the third force in Singapore politics
January 7th, 2010 | 
Author: OPINION
When Mr Alex Tan set up a Facebook to get netizens to “Vote the PAP out”, few would expect it to be a hit among Singaporeans, especially the youth.
Within a week, it has garnered more members than the YPAP Facebook and it now has more than 1,500 members coming from all walks of life.
With due respect to Alex, he is not a celebrity blogger and neither is a prominent leader of any political parties in Singapore. How can a “nobody” like him garner so much public support for a political cause in so short a period of time?
Furthermore, while Alex appears to have a beef with the PAP over issues like National Service and influx of foreign workers, he does not propose any viable solutions to tackle them.
Should the PAP be concerned with Alex’s Facebook or should it brush it aside as another example of childish indiscretion?
The fact that the “Vote PAP out” Facebook has managed to attract so many Singaporeans is a reflection of the groundswell of discontent and disaffection against the policies of the ruling party.
A few years ago, such a Facebook would not have existed in Singapore, let alone flourished as Singaporeans are beginning to find their courage to express their displeasure against the PAP publicly without fear of reprisals.
Young, IT-savvy Singaporeans tend to be more vocal and critical against the government and they have no qualms voting against it as they have been readily expressing in the Facebook.
The PAP has always relied on rationale, not empty rhetoric to persuade Singaporeans to accept its policies, especially the unpopular ones.
Judging from the responses on the ground, it will be nearly impossible for them to rely on that alone to woo young Singaporeans over to its side.
To the post-1965 generation Y who grew up in a period of relative affluence and have suffered few hardships, they owe no political allegiance to the PAP whom many regard as a unfamiliar entity.
In cyberspace at least, the PAP’s efforts to reach out to the young is being hampered by its poor image of being an over-bearing, repressive, and dictatorial political behemoth which is grossly out of touch with the sentiments and aspirations of young Singaporeans.
It doesn’t help when its leaders such as MM Lee Kuan Yew continues to offend the sensibilities of Singaporeans with callous remarks to put them down such as his latest interview with the National Geographic magazine which sparks a massive outcry in cyberspace.
The PAP appears to realize the importance of the internet as a potential battleground for public opinion in the future when it started a blog for its young MPs to engage the post-65 generation in the aftermath of the 2006 election, but it floundered due to the lack of interest and traffic.
Attempts to promote REACH as an official feedback channel among Singapore netizens are unsuccessful as the majority of netizens prefer to vent their frustrations against the government on popular news sites like The Temasek Review.
Though Alex and co may remain a minority among the online community in Singapore, their influence cannot be underestimated precisely because Singaporeans are largely politically apathetic and inactive.
A motivated, passionated and committed young Singaporean can easily persuade all his relatives and friends who are nonchalant about the PAP to cast a protest vote against it.
1,500 protest votes can easily swell to become a vote of no confidence against the government as the AWARE saga had amply demonstrated.
Then, supporters of the AWARE old guards were fired up under the leadership of respected leaders in civil society such as Ms Braema Mathi to “reclaim” AWARE which led them to turn up and voted en masse at its EGM held on 2 May 2009.
If the “Vote PAP out” movement is helmed by a popular opposition MP such as Ms Sylvia Lim or a prominent public figure such as a Philip Jeyaretnam, it will surely snowball into a broad-based political movement to topple the PAP.
While bread and butter issues are important to young Singaporeans, they are also concerned about other aspects of governance such accountability and transparency in the system, social justice and the emotional intelligence of political leaders.
Today’s voters are more aware, educated and articulate. Unlike their parents and grandparents, they are not contented just to have a roof over their heads, clean drinking water and a safe neighborhood.
Even the PAP’s strength – its track record in delivering economic development to Singapore has become a weak link with its ill-conceived immigration policies causing tremendous unhappiness and resentment among Singaporeans.
Young graduates now have to compete directly with low-cost foreigners for jobs which pay a pittance, hardly enough for them to start a family given the sky-rocketing prices of HDB flats.
Middle-aged Singaporeans are facing the squeeze as well, especially those who are retrenched or are forced to switch professions due to re-structuring of the economy.
Elderly Singaporeans are unable to withdraw their CPF and have little choice but to continue working well into their golden years may begin to wonder if their support for the PAP is being taken for granted.
The PAP can no longer rely on its past achievements alone to demand a “mandate” from Singaporeans to lead the country. The ground is not as sweet as before and it may not enjoy the usual advantages which come along with its incumbency in future elections.
Though the opposition is perennially weak, Singaporeans are more than willing to give them a chance so long they appear to be credible, honest and willing to fight for the interests of the people.
The “elitist” brand name of the PAP may work against them this time as there is an increasing public perception that its MPs are stuck high up in their own ivory towers and do not understand the concerns, worries and fears of ordinary Singaporeans on the ground.
As the recent Malaysian and Japanese elections had shown, Generation Y proved to be a crucial factor in the opposition making huge electoral gains.
In Malaysia, young IT-savvy Malaysians who read independent news websites returned to their rural kampungs to cajole their relatives and friends to vote for the opposition.
In Japan, young Japanese volunteer their services to help run the electoral campaign of the cash-strapped Democratic Party of Japan which booted the powerful Liberal Democratic Party out of office for the first time in Japan’s history.
In both instances, the young people are the driving force behind their nations’ progress towards greater political pluralism and liberty.
Likewise, the Generation Y of Singapore is ready to stand up and make their voices heard as exemplified by Alex Tan. They are no longer willing just to stand on the sidelines and accept whatever the PAP throws at them. They want a stake in their country and a say in its future.
Will the PAP which has enjoyed 50 years of uninterrupted rule give in to the demands of young Singaporeans?
With so much said and discussed in cyberspace, the next general election will be a testing ground for Generation Y to flex its muscles as the emerging third force in Singapore politics.
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Does this sound strangely familiar?
“Freedom of assembly is not constitutionally guaranteed in Cuba. The law punishes unauthorized assembly of more than three persons. The government also restricts freedom of movement and prevents some citizens from emigrating because of their political views. Cubans need explicit “exit permission” from their government to leave their country, and many people are denied exit permission by the Cuban Government, despite the fact that they have received travel documents issued by other countries.
Although Raul Castro has encouraged controlled forms of “constructive criticism,” the Cuban Government continues to show little tolerance for unauthorized dissent. It often utilizes short-term detentions to break up peaceful marches and demonstrations. It sometimes harasses dissidents by directing militants from the Communist Party, the Communist Youth League, Committees for the Defense of the Revolution, the Federation of Cuban Women, the Association of Veterans of the Cuban Revolution, and other groups to stage public protests against the dissident, usually in front of his/her residence. These protests, called “acts of repudiation,” involve the shouting of insults and the occasional use of violence. The events generate intense fear and are aimed at ostracizing and intimidating those who challenge the government’s policies.”
I like it how Temasek Review easily assumes that every single one of the 1500 or so members of said website intends to see the PAP out of office, or rather, wants to see a “vote of no confidence” on the PAP Government. I’d like to think that many of these members intend to see the PAP Government become more accountable and transparent, and I think the PAP is heading towards such a direction, slowly but surely.
I’d reckon that people cannot be confident placing their votes behind attention and cheap publicity seekers like Alex Tan. The Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore, and I think the people understand and acknowledge that reality, however sad that may be.
Hi
Just wanted to let you know that it has not been possible to access TR site in Singapore the past 2 – 3 days… regardless of whether you are surfing thru Singet or Starhub.
We can access TR site only by using Proxy servers.
Obviously, the MIW are using their dirty tricks on you.
Your articles and the people crowding your forums are definitely worrying, and hurting them… but please do something to get yourself back on to Singapore web surfers’ screen.
We need you to be operational, alive and well before, during and after the next GE.
ps. Great, incisive article.
Excellent article.
This part made me think of SDP:
“In Japan, young Japanese volunteer their services to help run the electoral campaign of the cash-strapped Democratic Party of Japan which booted the powerful Liberal Democratic Party out of office for the first time in Japan’s history.”
Excellent article.
This part made me think of SDP, comparing it to the Democratic Party of Japan:
“In Japan, young Japanese volunteer their services to help run the electoral campaign of the cash-strapped Democratic Party of Japan which booted the powerful Liberal Democratic Party out of office for the first time in Japan’s history.”
You can’t stop the fire!
Turn the heat ON!
@fe on Thu, 7th Jan 2010 12:16 pm
yupe yupe, SDP n Democratic Party of Japan are comparable, from the fact that they share “Democratic” in their name and supported by young people.
the differences are not much, only:
1. SDP – not only believes but – practice Disobedience as the choice method of struggle. DPJ believes in election.
2. SDP, like japanese society, is xenophobic. BUT for SDP, their xenophobism is limited for FT who fight “economic battle” in singapore; SDP fully supports FT to fight their homeland’s “political battle” in orchard rd.
3. DPJ leaders actually led the party to win election. SPD leaders led the party to lose all their parliamentary seats.
4. DPJ actually hv plan for japan, be it in economy or everything else. SDP has plan to unseat PAP, and nothing much else.
5. When there’s a scandal involving party, DPJ leader step back and let the younger to lead. When there’s scandal in SDP, the younger leader kicked the founder out.
6. DPJ’s “struggle” is actually fought by its member. SDP’s battle is mainly fought by proxies.
7. DPJ actually IS run by japanese n fight for japan. SDP actually IS funded by foreign NGOs and fought for universal/international freedom and human rights (see pt no 2)
8. — [[if u r interested to know more, pls do contact me. i'll consider writing a thesis on this]]
BUT, similarity in name is fundamental; and all those differences r minors. so, yes, i agree, SDP is comparable to DPJ.
I reckon I’d vote for a team of monkeys than a team with Charles Chong and a few others in it.
@YP_Member
“I’d like to think that many of these members intend to see the PAP Government become more accountable and transparent, and I think the PAP is heading towards such a direction, slowly but surely.”
I don’t intend to and never will, VOTE OUT PAP.
once,i saw a graffiti ecribbled on the toilet wall when i was
peeing.it say: the future of the wolrd depends on what you’re
holding now!
yes,the future of all true blue citizens is in our hands!!!
VOTEWISELY!!!
I agree with “Singapore Needs You”, got problem surfing ur website recently.
Btw, got a suggestion but I do not know where to post this, the admin can delete if it is not appropriate or feasible.
There are also so many good articles to read here, but all these articles are like scattered everywhere. I think it will be difficult to search and read all these articles especially during the crucial election period.
We are like small kids we will forget everything after rewarded with a small carrot, so we need to be reminded every now and then.
The admin can create different articles like “Time to Change – Reason 1” including the updated date
If reason 1 is CPF issue then all articles links from TR or new users’ opinions and resources about CPF issues will be posted in this article (of course must be reported issues and not gossips).
Reason 2, 3, 4 …. may be other Cost of Living issues like salary, housing, food, medical, PR, electricity, gst, school, transport……wah like got a lot of reasons hor…lol
@YP_Member on Thu, 7th Jan 2010 11:56 am
” I’d like to think that many of these members intend to see the PAP Government become more accountable and transparent, and I think the PAP is heading towards such a direction, slowly but surely.”
Reading your comment above, I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry.
The world is changing at the speed of twitter. Even Hillary Rodham Clinton is learning it after she was swept aside by Obama in the primaries.
PAP wants, at least acording to you, to move slowly but surely – if this at your CATERPILLAR PACE AND SPEED OF CHANGE – Singapore would be irrelevant in a globalised world BEFORE YOU WAKE UP TOMMORROW.
Should we all laugh at the stupidity or cry our souls out in self-pity of failure to act and compete on the global platform where speed is in essence of survival???
Wait for your response!
@YP_Member on Thu, 7th Jan 2010 11:56 am
>> The Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore, and I think the people understand and acknowledge that reality, however sad that may be.
You know, we might well be bankrupt already, seeing those loses made by TH,GIC, under pap…
Ever wonder why our cpf are getting locked up longer and longer?
YP_Member,
I admire what you said but unless you and I vote in more opposition and opposition become the ruling party, policy formulation still lie under PAP. As of now, we can only say that PAP policies are corrupt.
You should have said,
“The PAP has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore, and I think the people understand and acknowledge that reality, however sad that may be.”
I like how you assume that opposition parties have any part to play in policy formulation.
TR wrote – “Then, supporters of the AWARE old guards were fired up under the leadership of respected leaders in civil society such as Ms Braema Mathi to “reclaim” AWARE which led them to turn up and voted en masse at its EGM held on 2 May 2009.”
Yes, we did not forget that TR was one of the despicable accomplice in implicating Josie and gang as religious fanatics, and also made use of the incident to launch an attack on Christianity, and at same time, TR was also in the frontline in encouraging homosexual activities in Singapore!
YES, WE DID NOT FORGET!
@YP_member -
(quote YP_member)I like it how Temasek Review easily assumes that every single one of the 1500 or so members of said website intends to see the PAP out of office, or rather, wants to see a “vote of no confidence” on the PAP Government. I’d like to think that many of these members intend to see the PAP Government become more accountable and transparent, and I think the PAP is heading towards such a direction, slowly but surely.
I’d reckon that people cannot be confident placing their votes behind attention and cheap publicity seekers like Alex Tan. The Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore, and I think the people understand and acknowledge that reality, however sad that may be. (end quote YP_member)
Since you have indicated that “TR assumes” then it is nothing but just an assumption. There is no need to be specific in a general expression. Only in the polling office will it be crucial for all to know specifically.
These words extracted from your posting:-
“I’d like to think that many of these members intend to see the PAP Government become more accountable and transparent, and I think the PAP is heading towards such a direction, slowly but surely.”
Thank you for reinforcing our belief that PAP is not accountable and transparent. We take issue from the fact that time and time again we trusted them and then we ended up a big loser. Each time when election time approach, they change the color of their skin to seduce everybody. However once re elected they revert to the same old distasteful color and we are back to the bad old days. People are very gullible in the past and they still are, just wonder how long more they enjoy being fooled by this political chicanery.
Alex Tan is popularised by non other than the YPAP. On his own, he could not be so popular. He did not seek publicity but publicity is being forced upon him when some people did not engage him sincerely. He may not have the entire public behind him, however he has more youth behind him then anybody.
We only need one big policy that is Singapore is for Singaporean and that the opposition is giving us fully and wholly. The opposition is yet the ruling party how can they destroy Singapore whilst the fabric of our society is totally being destroyed by the PAP. They have totally ignore the existence of the people, looked down on its people, marginalized its own people and give its people a hopeless future. The greatest idea of the PAP is only one to create wealth for PAP. You are blinded by your pursuit of wealth YP_member. You fail to see all other needs of your people. You are drooling at the opportunity of monies offered by PAP’s policies. Soon you will realized that you have been lead to Timbaktu.
Be Fair! on Thu, 7th Jan 2010 3:58 pm
YES, WE DID NOT FORGET!
Yes, fair reminder but it works both way!!.
The power that be which YPAP is the incubating baby claims they want to engage citizenry, especially the young. They got “issues” they identified to win our souls and support but the obstructing wall of discourse in these issues is they oppress vehmently even the most mildly entertaining dissenting voices like Benjamin Bland, Mr Brown and Alex Tan.
So what are they attempting to engage the young when issues is NOT what engagement is all about that matters to us?.
Is it just your shameless seduction of ‘LOVE MAKING” for cynical political votes or romance.
WE ARE NEITHER ALL HORNY NOR GAY UNLIKE YOU MOB.!
Get real!!
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“Vote PAP out” has 1864 members
When u are 45 & jobless, then u kno what is it like to be living in a totally different world in spore.
Or feel like u are being pushed to another world in spore.
YP_member, if the party is made up of people like you, god forbid if they are reelected again. Just look at your logic: “The Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore, and I think the people understand and acknowledge that reality, however sad that may be.” The Opposition are not in power, the PAP is, and the massive losses incurred by Temasek Holdings, GIC, construction of the two IRs were all incurred by the incumbent party. So how can you say that the Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore when not only they had absolutely nothing to do with these screwups, they haven’t even had their ideas tested out yet?
There’s something else. The government keeps telling Singaporeans to be gracious, but have they taken a good hard look at themselves in the mirror? Charles Chong calling ordinary locals “lesser mortals”, Wee Siew Khim claiming that we “can’t handle the truth” about his daughter’s obnoxious demand to “get out of (her) elite uncaring face”, Lee Bee Wah’s cowardice in badmouthing Liu Guo Dong publicly and then failing to meet him in person, Eric How’s idiotic comments about bad karma, these are just a few examples. Are all these what you call gracious behavior? If they are, then why else do you think Singaporeans are “lacking in graces” when the country’s leaders themselves are setting a bad example?
I could go on and on, but I think I’d much rather save all the embarassing facts for another of my cynical social commentaries. In the mean time though, I’d like everyone here, yourself incuded, to consider what I just wrote above.
“if the mountain won’t come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain”
pap can’t expect the younger generation to accept its rhetoric on msm without checking out the internet.
with more ppl reading news on the web, pap is fighting a losing battle if it persists in ignoring netizens.(and pestering websites like TR if these ddos attacks are done by their agents)
better follow the wise prophet in the idiom above.
@ cy on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 12:13 am: DDOS? Don’t make people laugh. Everytime there’s lag, TR is doing some technical stuff to their server. That’s the trend.
From YP_member: “The Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore”
On the contrary, I see that it is the PAP who has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore! To increase GDP, PAP is now resorting to importing cheap FTs into Singapore, resulting in lowering of SG’s productivity. At this rate, it will certainly destroy Singapore turning us back into a 3rd world country!
@YP_Member on Thu, 7th Jan 2010 11:56 am
“intends to see the PAP out of office, or rather, wants to see a “vote of no confidence” on the PAP Government. I’d like to think that many of these members intend to see the PAP Government become more accountable and transparent”
I agree with you on this – if PAP LEARNS and ACTS in a more accountable and transparent manner – getting down from their ivory tower and start to SERVE its people; i MAY support them again.
“I think the PAP is heading towards such a direction, slowly but surely.”
That’s a good THOUGHT. But is it HAPPENING? If yes, please SUPPORT your Claims with FACTS. Personally, I am NOT seeing it happening on the ground, i may be BLIND – but I’m sure as hell, am NOT the ONLY “blind” Singaporean here.
“The Opposition has bankrupt policies that will eventually destruct Singapore, and I think the people understand and acknowledge that reality, however sad that may be.”
Once again, please VERIFY your claims with FACTS. What and where are these “bankrupt” policies? and WHY would these policies bankrupt us? If you CANNOT verify this – be careful -because the statements would be classified as a DEFAMATION to the Opposition parties – and you CAN be charged with a DEFAMATION suit (as PAP has CLEARLY demonstrated to Singaporeans over the recent years).
Be CAREFUL of what you say – for the world is ROUND. Whatever you have said WILL definitely come back to you SOMEDAY.
I seriously urge PAP to do away with the GRC system.
While it has serve them well since the late 80s, the GRC system too will be the bane of PAP.
Just imagine LHL or LKY has an idiot as a team member who spout nonsense during an election rally and incur the wrath of the citizens. The citizens refuse to vote for PAP in anger(assuming the mistake was grave enough that even the cooling off period is not able to cool down the voters) and end up losing the whole GRC. With the quality of some YPAP members and MPs, I think the scenario above is not too remote isn’t it? Will LHL, LKY or other heavyweight ministers want to risk their seat? While the netizens have praised Mdm Halimah, what if she’s teamed up with Lim swee say and Eric How(assuming he stands for election)? Wouldn’t the other 2 be dragging her down?
The GRC system only works when there’s a strong, stand-out leader and the rest of the team are although ‘lightweight’, still respectable. It will not work when a team has one or two bad eggs that will drag everyone else down.
The tide has turn. The opposition parties especially WP, SDP, RP & NSP have been more successful in engaging the younger generation despite what is being reported in the MSM. Should PAP still stick with the GRC system that is fast becoming obsolete?
First, let me qualify my post by saying that I’m a non partisan and don’t belong to any S’pore political party or organization. I’m only interested in the well being, survivor and success of my country esp. for future generation Singaporeans.
I don’t think I’m wrong if I equate Generation Y to kids that come from privileged and rich families and are English educated. These guys like to enjoy the democracy that they tasted or read in western countries but forget the fact that our country is still a very young country of about 50 years compared to over 200 years history of some of those western countries. From their history, you would also realize that these western countries also went through the same painful process growing up like what we are experiencing now. Their governments also had harsh laws to control their people to protect the frailty of their young democracies then.
Remember, “Roman wasn’t built in one day” and I believe democracy would take a while before Singaporeans could taste and enjoy democracy as practised in western countries and some Asian countries like India, Taiwan, Japan and S.Korea.
If we were to practise democracy like in those western countries, where a small non elected group of people can have big influence on issues, I believe we wouldn’t have achieved the present level of standard of living and prosperity that we are enjoying today. We would be more like our neighboring countries with high crime rate and rampant corruption. The rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer in these countries and the non natives are subject to shameless Apartheid policy. So what do you want? An abused democracy that wrecks our achievements and be subservient to our bullying neighbors?
Think and be realistic Generation Y. And if you are not happy here in Singapore, please don’t wreck our country. Go migrate to another country that would accept you and nobody is stopping you.
Majulah Singapura!
God Bless Singapore!
To Paikia1 on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 3:30 am,
After reading the rest of your post, your initial disclaimer about not allegiance reads extremely lame
You sounded like those in power now. If you are truly interested about our children, then engage them (because they owned a piece of Singapore), not cast them aside (because they differ in opinion from you)
Talking about “a small non elected group of people can have big influence on issues”, didn’t we already have many of them through GRC system?
And please don’t speak like you-know-who… Get your house in order is the priority. Even after getting your house in order, you should not comment about others’. Basic courtesy and respect. Speaking in such manner spoke more about your character than your opinion, or your allegiance
Paikia1 on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 3:30 am
Huh, the usual line of hoax and tall tale!! Many compelling reasons.
1. History does NOT walk backward
2. You cannot relive old history, it is behind you.
3. This is the digital age, even Obama cannot survive without his Blackberry
4. Life is a lot less complicated perhaps, if you prefers to live in your Stone Age wisdom, go back to your jungle cave in any of the Asean country if you can – at least you can live blissfully naked among the apes.
If you refused to grow up after 50 years, then better you worm back into your mommy’s womb, don’t you agree??
@ Paikia1:
Fail.
If you need 50 years to learn from mistakes someone else has already done, I suppose you need to learn more, and at a faster pace. “Slow” is not an option anymore, not in the face of “Globalization”.
Paikia1-
Very “Plain Speaking” like Truman in his book and I do share your thoughts but alas!!!!!!!we may be fast becoming an extinct species or like an old soldier just fading away…..
1500
does not include people who knew about the facebook
and dare not participate due to too much personal info
made available on FB
as well as people who dun know about its existence,
people who do not engage in net activity
*no offence* very high percentage of ‘lower educated’
citizen ‘include me’ have the “Vote the Pap out” mentality.
its in their blood, our blood.
the 1500 really dun reflect the whole.
Lets just keep the heat on till this coming GE.
make known our Rights
Wah another Bernard!
Firstly your assumption is wrong. Generation Y that are rich privileged and came from english-speaking family seemed to have joined YPAP.
It’s the common people that feel sidelined.
Make the wrong assumption and the whole hypotheses fail misearbly.
@Paikia1 on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 3:30 am
I did not come from a privileged and rich family. I have worked part-time to supplement my studies, my family is mainly Chinese-educated – my present day achievements were made with my own hands.
I am a part of Singapore’s Generation Y.
Be careful of your ASSUMPTIONS – for they are carelessly inaccurate and typical stereotype.
We are REALISTIC and we do CARE for Singapore and OUR future.
We are NOT dreaming of westernized democracy – but rather demanding ACCOUNTABILITY and TRANSPARENCY from the PAP-dominated Government.
40+ years of independence, when compared to others, may be considered young — but we have survived for more than 4 decades. The younger generation is unquestionably MORE knowledgeable and better educated than our forefathers. A sense of awareness is forming amongst this Generation Y – questioning things around them.
Unlike you – we cast a longer line and a wider perspective.
The wise would have seen this as a sign of society evolution – the initial stages of the society maturing from a helpless “infant”, to a questioning but eager “young adult”.
Using the analogy of parenthood – when the kid is still young, parents protect the kid with an iron fist – telling them what’s right and what’s wrong – expecting them to obey our instructions – simply because we (the parents) know more things than the kid.
But as the kid starts to grow up into a young teenager, he/she will start to question and challenge things around them, finding a way to better understand and in the process, becoming stronger and independent. An old simple “obey me because I am your father/mother” would not be effective anymore. The teenager is bound to ask “why should we listen and obey you?” “If what you have said is correct, then proof it with facts?” A one-sided instruction from the parent is not acceptable, opinions and feedback from the young teenager MUST be taken into consideration – before the finalization of any decision.
*Granted – chances are the parents will still be correct for 90% of the time – but what about the remaining 10%?*
Now, is this a bad thing – where the kid is growing into a young teenager and starts to question the world around them? If the parents (Singapore’s leaders) do GENUINELY care for the children (Singaporeans and in general Singapore), they will engage the teenagers using a DIFFERENT mode of communication – spurring the children to become stronger, better and more independent – ultimately beefing them up for greater things to come.
History has shown that nations, civilizations and empires are born that way.
Why should we inhabit this growth (for Singapore) with your outdated morbid ideas?
Quote – “And if you are not happy here in Singapore, please don’t wreck our country. Go migrate to another country that would accept you and nobody is stopping you.”
What’s the best way to bring up a teenager? the iron fist? or the proper establishment in communication, by setting up a GOOD example in one’s accountability and transparency?
As you have mentioned “you would also realize that these western countries also went through the same painful process growing up like what we are experiencing now. Their governments also had harsh laws to control their people to protect the frailty of their young democracies then.”
We are currently going through the SAME painful PROCESS – not for the people, but for the Leaders (in Singapore’s case – the PAP cronies) – their days of absolute power and influence are OVER. Like it or not, Singaporeans (particularly the younger generation) are becoming more self-aware – Singaporeans are demanding a BIGGER say in how their lives should be run.
Why?
Because Singaporeans have realized that, unlike our forefather (mostly uneducated, unfamiliar with the outside world or unskilled), they now have the knowledge and expertise to do it themselves and give the PAP cronies a run for their money.
Singaporeans, in general, have gradually ceased to be at the mercy of PAP – and that is a PAINFUL transition for the PAP leaders.
In the same way as how the British Royal family realized that United Kingdom can be managed without them, how Chairman Mao realized that China can survive without him, how Mahathir found out that Malaysia do not necessary need him, to propel into the next centaury, etc….
That is what the PAP leaders are feeling right now and that is PAINFUL for them, hence the desperate means demonstrated by the PAP-Government, to hold onto their diminishing influence with whatever absurd way possible (i.e. the enforcement of mainstream media control, the creation of nonsensical and redundant government positions for past prime ministers, the iron-cast control of electoral committee by the Prime Minister, the unfair re-drawing of GRCs – prior to each election – which ALWAYS seems to benefit the PAP candidates, the persecution and character assaults on ALL likely political opponents, the power usurp of Singapore’s wealth and economic future through threats (i.e. HDB upgrading, token “Progress Package” cash payouts by the PAP leaders before the election) and scare tactics (i.e. “Singapore will be bankrupt if it was managed by anyone other than PAP”), etc.
Let me be crystal clear on this and set your stereotypical, PAP-brainwashed, illusion straight.
We are not WRECKING Singapore – we are SPURING its progress and improvement – not just in economic terms – but by the establishment of Singapore – as a Nation – as a Society – as an Identity.
*Something which the PAP Government has FAILED miserably for the past 40+ years*
That is our goal and this is the right thing which a Singaporean, has to do – for Singapore.
Majulah Singapura!
my earlier comment was for paikia1
Word of caution : never underestimate the strong support base of the pap. i wonder who new citizens would support?
Each time the WP rallies were awesome . Each time, the votes counted reflect another story.
Time and time and time again.
So, there is something unexplained and we should not live in an illusion although it is satisfying, even shiok, to see that many are supporting Alex Tan.
Well notwithstanding all this hype and hoo ha over “Vote out PAP”, all voters must also realize it takes a credible opposition to really make its own mark and right now, the opposition is still divided and weak without a common platform strategy for the next GE, putting up credible number of candidates to vouch for a GRC for instance. Let’s see if they can really come out of their own cocoon… But with even a GRC won at the next GE, this would create a heart attack onto to whom we all know…
@ Paikia1 on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 3:30 am
You come from a privileged and rich family of the Y generation. Great!
But you and your family also need to fail badly once and fall into poverty and misery to get your ‘EDUCATION”.
Good times never last and you need that education to teach you how to recover after you have stumbled. The Eric Hows will remind you of that kharma.
Gentlemen,please!!! we may be from a generation past i.e Paikia1 myself and the hardworking selfless Singaporeans i.e the ordinary clerks,Samsui Pors at construction sites Malay HDB cleaners,and Indian Longshoremen.If not for us and our generation there never I repeat never would be a Singapore today as you see and enjoy it.
Please stop accusing us of being partisan with the ruling Party.We may be grateful to them for bringing us to this stage but that does not stop us from being critical of their policies and Ministers.
Yes, we are not as educated or efficient in the worldly ways of this “IT BORDERLESS” world but do we not have a right like everyone else to have our say without being accused as pro PAP or sycophants or prehistoric animals living in the past.What freedom of speech & and all that nonsense you advocate when you criticize the very same people that help put Singapore in whatever small way to what it is today.
We may be old, elderly and some easily swayed but God willing we hope not to be conned by the current Status Quo or the Highfalutin orators of today.
I mentioned before and I repeat it again that this is the only country we have and we have no other and no way will we stand by to let the present or any future govt. destroy it so easily by remaining silent,may we remind you that we are still around for better or for worse God willing.
I do not know who is Pakia1 but I believe that his meaning of privileged may be similar to mine in the sense that being Singaporeans we were privilege to enjoy a lot of freedom and peace except some upheaval in 64 & 69 to work for a living, be frugal without having to spend more than necessary and retire with a contented and not necessary luxurious style of living.
My children were privilege to go school right up to University without being judged by their race or religion and I am sure my generations children enjoyed the same privileges some may have to work harder to provide these privileges for their children.All in all we do live in a privilege society owing to ourselves and our hard work,we the PEOPLE OF SINGAPORE. Party and Politics are a different matter whatsoever,we put the PAP in power and they delivered the good the bad and the ugly,we can remove them if we so choose to that is the will of the People if I may say so.
the basis for true DEMOCRACY is Diversity!
no ONE ENTITY be it with the best brains and “sincere” hearts
can claim the fair practice of democracy when there is no
“Opposite” counter-balancing force/s and this must be the
EUATION to ture CHECKS and BALANCES.
pardon me,but look at TH and other entities literally throwing
hard-earned taxpayers’ monies that THIS ONE-PARTY gahmen think
cannot be used for social security for its citizens but in the end,generously ‘donated’ to rich nations ?
look at the way,bosses form publuc and private sectors dishing
out our jobs like roti pratas to foreigners, couldn’t be bothered whether we are starving ?
look at how they even despise us punlicly in front of FTs and strangers?
is this what we want and what you,tony pang and all your compatriots form GEN ‘Y’ want?
look i also have classmtes in gahmen and high places,they all behave the same i tell you!
what makes you my friends of gen y think that your very own classmates or soccer kakis won’t “betray” yours and older sinagporeans’ interest? think about it…
the correct approach going forward to NOT hoping to see the PAP
elites-no matter how sincere they appear-takes FULL CONTROL of
this nation; it’s people,it’s foreign reserves and most of all,our rights and dignity as true blue singaporeans.
only if we could evolve rationally by putting in OPPOSITE COUNTER CHECKS AND BALANCE as through a worthy OPPOSITION could we,gen y and older citizens,together ensure that there
is NO “IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE”(just to borrow from GREENSPAN)from the incumbents to our common destruction.
Fair and square-
I agree with your posting that a check & balance should be in place through good oppositions talking sense and sensibilities in parliament.
How this will come about is…?????….but I have no doubt that overtime an opposition of substance may evolve.
@Paikia1-
(quote author of article)To the post-1965 generation Y who grew up in a period of relative affluence and have suffered few hardships, they owe no political allegiance to the PAP whom many regard as a unfamiliar entity.(end quote)
Hi, I think Paikia1 you might have been mistaken, Y generation does not necessary mean rich kids, they are kids of a better time.
The article speaks about a new generation of youth who are more discerning with access to new media. Alex Tan is a hero of sort to this youth because he is able to question the YPAP. He is not afraid to engage the PAP. This Y generation is lending their support to him.
(quote P1)The rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer in these countries and the non natives are subject to shameless Apartheid policy. (end quote)
This is already happening in Singapore, in case if you are still dreaming.
The youth of today must be encourage to participate in Singapore politics unhindered by any past achievements. They are the one who will face the future challenge of this nation. Without their participation Singapore will remain in the hand of a group of selfish people whose objective is lining their pocket with big money. It is time for them to take on the challenge, for the better or for the worst we must allow them to come forth to look at politics and how it affects their lives. To be candid, the Y Generation is savvy and they are ready to take the helm what the past generation dare not do, that is to vote against PAP.
Paikia1 on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 3:30 am
After the PAP got thrown into the bustbin of history, we will introduce new speeding fine along the Swiss line based on a percentage value of your family assets.
Our national pledge says it is based on equality, let the poor share a part of your unequal wealth to bring about a finer balance
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_fe_st/eu_odd_switzerland_huge_speeding_fine
That way it will save your life in a possible car wreckage!!
The opposition parties are not competent enough(low profiles etc.) If this goes on, I will definitely vote for PAP..
@PeterL
i agree with you that over time,may be soon,some credible opposition would evolve with the ‘waking up’ of all generaions of this little red dot.
You,me and all here,together with TR must not stop our humble
drumming for the “OPPosition” Orchestra to play the music to the larger audience out there,our fellow countrymen.
Don’t they say that the truth hurts? Yes, it still does as seen by the many critical responses to my post.
Yes, you guys, Generation Y, are just like those opium smokers living in your make belief world, unwilling to accept the fact that we have to live in a real world, a world where dog eats dog. You live in a world of your own fantasy thinking that we could afford to live like those rich western countries with vast natural resources with money to splurge and squander.
Yes, I wasn’t wrong when I said that most of the Generation Y guys are like those kids from rich and privileged families who think that the world owes them a living. Sorry, to wake you up from your dream, the real world is not like the Salvation Army but a world where only the fittest could survive and the weak would be tramped merciless by the strong.
So let us be honest with ourselves and give credit where credit is due. If not for LKY & Company, would we be where we are today? No, most probably, we would be like one of the Malaysian states where 70% of us would be treated as second class citizens. Or we could be a S.E. Asia Somalia or Zambabwe or an international beggar with a starving population surviving on the generosity of some rich western country or a client state of a super power like America, Russia or China living at their whims and fancy? So you like to be re-colonialised? From the way they wrote, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind as Generation Y guys have no national pride or nationalistic at all. “Give me, give me” is all they care for they don’t give a shit as to what would happen to our country for they think they can always migrate to another country.
Ain’t I not right?
anonymous on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 3:49 pm
Glad to hear that you were always voting opposition all the time.
I don’t know if your sentence was an honest mistake or a really lousy attempt.
Paikia1-
The truth hurts so the saying goes but there is no necessity to be BLUNT or ARROGANT.My children are GenY and challenge me at times over issues which concern them so does LKY’s grandchildren who have a mind of their own too.
Granted that LKY & Co. had done a WONDERFUL JOB but listening to the CITIZENs would not hurt them either would it? I will not go into the FT or FW PR or new citizens as there are too many cases and issues to cite.
Hopefully the govt. will have more time for the people with the more than adequate salary they are having and please don’t tell us that you will spent time “fixing” our grouses and having no time to govern the Nation please remember we are the NATION.
“You live in a world of your own fantasy thinking that we could afford to live like those rich western countries with vast natural resources with money to splurge and squander.”
I didnt know that Ho Ching, Mrs Lee Hsien Loong, was so young.
@Paika1 -
(quote p1)Yes, you guys, Generation Y, are just like those opium smokers living in your make belief world, unwilling to accept the fact that we have to live in a real world, a world where dog eats dog. You live in a world of your own fantasy thinking that we could afford to live like those rich western countries with vast natural resources with money to splurge and squander.(end quote)
You are a senile old man who is out of place and out of time, Where on earth do you find opium smokers among the Y Generation. The only squanderer we know of is the PAP, why don’t you ask them what happen to our money invested by TH and GIC. If those who are at the prime of their earning age become stingy as you are then the world economy will fail miserably.
(quote P1)Yes, I wasn’t wrong when I said that most of the Generation Y guys are like those kids from rich and privileged families who think that the world owes them a living. Sorry, to wake you up from your dream, the real world is not like the Salvation Army but a world where only the fittest could survive and the weak would be tramped merciless by the strong.(end quote)
Your description fits the YPAP. I think you are referring to people like Eric How. Please don’t blame an entire generation for what being said by one young PAP. The only one that is dreaming is you and nobody else. You need more than a nudge to wake you up I think. We the citizen are now trampled mercilessly by the PAP by bringing in foreigners to jump all over our bodies.
(quote P1)So let us be honest with ourselves and give credit where credit is due. If not for LKY & Company, would we be where we are today? No, most probably, we would be like one of the Malaysian states where 70% of us would be treated as second class citizens. Or we could be a S.E. Asia Somalia or Zambabwe or an international beggar with a starving population surviving on the generosity of some rich western country or a client state of a super power like America, Russia or China living at their whims and fancy? So you like to be re-colonialised? From the way they wrote, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind as Generation Y guys have no national pride or nationalistic at all. “Give me, give me” is all they care for they don’t give a shit as to what would happen to our country for they think they can always migrate to another country.(end quote)
Credit does go to LKY and the old guard PAP, for that I agree. However nobody will actually know what will happen to Singapore if we do not have them. Maybe we could have been better off without them. HongKong just a small colony propers just as well as Singapore and they don’t have PAP. Your scare tactic has hint of resemblance to the PAP.
If you have a specific person you suspect is from Y generation and his writing has given you a disloyal feeling please feel free to name him. From where I see people like Tony Pang stated clearly he works his up his prosperity. He contributes his two cents to all of us diligently without malice or incompetency.
Ain’t I not right?
Old man you are most wrong and I think you probably have a glass too many.
Stop living in the sixties, we are now in a different century.
@ Paikia1 on Fri, 8th Jan 2010 5:30 pm
“If not for LKY & Company, would we be where we are today?”
Wow, how does not “confession” sits with the daibolical of opening claims
“First, let me qualify my post by saying that I’m a non partisan and don’t belong to any S’pore political party or organization. I’m only interested in the well being, survivor and success of my country esp. for future generation Singaporeans”
Ask you one simple question – are you a whore by occupation or instinct?
But you still “right” on one score though – the mess we are in now of a hamstrung economy and a Government lost in wilderness of a thinking solution is because of the PAP Government. No one stopped them from falling over the other side of the cliff and taking the rest of Singapore along.
No need to worry about being colonised -we are already colonised by foreigners.
No need to worry about felling into the third world economic distress, we are already a long way into that journey of no return UNLESS WE KICKED OUT THE MOB OF NO TALENT RUNNING THIS COUNTRY WITH SO MANY MINISTERS ADMITTING CAUGHT OFF-GUARD by one failure after another. They didn’t fell asleep on the job, did they?
And don’t worry about lack of natural resources – just bring in more foreigners, they poo a lot, don’t they? Well these are natural fertilisers and therefore natural resources too.
You can use them in your backyard or balcony for your vegetable farming. No need to pay for vegies in the supermarket henceforth!
Sorry for kicking your a@se here – hypocrites do attract unpleasant attention from me, sometimes.
Am I right?
Singaporeans have to reclaim their country and VOTE PAP OUT en masse at the next GE
Is it wrong to be honest? Yes, according to many of you Y generation who responded to my past posts. I was saying the truth and you guys are not happy with me? And you branded me an old man just because I dare tell the truth? (Anyway, to get personal, could an old man penis rise hard and throbbing every morning faithfully like mine until I pee? Go ask your father if his could!)
Anyway, without a good foundation, do you think a building could withstand a strong earthquake? Yes, I’m referring to the present global recession and competition from China with its abundant cheap labor we are facing now as the earthquake that is hitting us. Tell me honestly that if we’ve CM Lim Ewe Hock, would we be able to withstand this double whammies earthquake? Of course we won’t. Most probably, they would be peeing in their pants and passing out green shits and offer us as sacrificing lamb to UMNO altar as he did when he sold Christmas Island to the Aussie cheaply. Or we would return to those old bad days of Lim Chin Siong with no job and no roof over our head. And our crime rate would soar be so high that it pales next to JB? And your church would get attacked or bombed if you refer God as Allah.
Thankfully, that was just my bad dream. We know it won’t happen in our country because we’ve honest and a clean government. So let us give credit where credit is due. The S’pore govt. is doing a good job and our leaders deserve every penny they earn. If a Malaysian mata, mata can leave behind assets valued over MR37 mil when he died, why grudge our leaders for their high pay?
As I said in my previous post, there is nothing to stop you from migrating to another country if you’re not happy with the system here. But I bet you that you won’;t find happiness in your new Ang Moh country even though cars are cheap there if owning a car is your happiness. Ask those Indian guys whether they dare walk the streets in any Aussie city afterc dark?
Anyway, I’m happy to say that majority of Singaporeans are quite happy and contented here and in the next election, I’m sure the majority of us would elect the same party again like they did in past elections.
Generation Y as a political force is just a myth. Only reason people think so is because almost all of them are English educated and have more exposure in English medium media. Happy to say that majority of us(thinking Singaporeans) don’t agree with their selfish, idealistic Ang Moh-ish values not practical to the survivor of our country. And that is why we got to make sure NONE of them ever get elected in our next election.
Majulah Singapura!
@ Paikia1 on Sat, 9th Jan 2010 4:59 am
“Is it wrong to be honest?”
after
“If not for LKY & Company, would we be where we are today?” and “I’m a non partisan”
Why don’t you answer the question from “All is fair”
“are you a whore by occupation or instinct?”
We will assess your honesty after you have answered his /her question.
Who knows ? Maybe your your little bird is not functioning even though you claimed it is “throbbing every morning faithfully… until you pee?”
And all the other bullshit you brag about.
Those that speak in favor of the our dictatorial regime are PHD ( Physical Head Damage ) or brain wash. I was once gullible and ignorant, brain wash by the govt control mass media. But with the internet, the truth cannot be hidden. Knowing the truth have change my perception about our self serving leaders. Please wake up those gullible nerds…..don’t be deceive by all their lip services and lies!!!!!!!!!!
@Paikia:
Great, so now you tell me Singapore doesn’t has a strong enough foundation.
And yea, it’s good to be honest to yourself, I mean, you’re just telling us how you feel, I’m okay with that. But see, we’re just here to try and prove you wrong.
And I’ll regret to say I disagree with us having a honest and clean government, for many good reasons, and also they don’t deserve every penny they’re taking. Well a bad reason why I disagree is because you sounded like what I read in the newspaper when they increased ministerial pay.
And, the good reasons are everywhere, with flawed logic, a bunch of idiots fooling around in the party and some other stuffs I’m in no position to say.
Also, you asked why grudge their pay? Let’s see, because I still see poor people, and an increasing number of those in recent years (It’s supposed to decrease thx to GST increase!?). I also see HDB prices, food prices, everything increasing with inflation besides people’s salary. (I don’t really take one, so I’m okay. I just need to work harder.)
So I don’t think I’m supposed to pay someone more to do less job. Nor are we Singaporeans paying them to give excuses. Tell me a few good stuffs they’re done for Singaporeans in the past 5 years. What have they done to improve lives besides sitting there and speedily making decisions that hurts more people than it helps them.
Og and don’t tell me that Singapore need a good long time to prosper like what LKY said. They brought this place from a fishing village to a city in 50 years. According to you, and again, flawed logic, we’re supposed to take hundred and thousand of years, just like Europe and America.
BTW, I’m post 65, but I live in a dog eat dog world, and a bunch of other silly stuffs in life one get when one start living in the real world. I suppose I’m part of Generation Y, so what gave you the idea I was dreaming in my world, and cannot adapt to change, I wonder.
Change. I like this word, and I think we’re in good need of it.
I bet many of us are grateful that we’re not anymore part of Malaysia when we read about the recent fire bombing of six Christian churches and one Catholic school in Malaysia. Well, if not for LKY’s insistence on a “Malaysian Malaysia”, do you think Tunku and UMNO would kick us out? And do you know that many UMNO leaders were not happy about it(letting us go) and that was the main reason why Tunku had to step down as pm.
Not only would our churches be set afire, 70% of us would become second class citizens like those Malaysian Chinese and Indians today. Our Chinese and Indian people would be subjected to the Apartheid policy practised openly and unashamedly by the UMNO govt under the pretense of bringing the economic status of the Bumi’s to par with the Chinese under their so called NEP or National Economic Policy. And imagine our civil service staffed by 99% of their people and less than 10% of our kids would be able to go to universities because of the special priority given to Bumi’s kids under their NEP! And had it happened, I wonder where the Chinese and Indians going to find jobs? And cost of living would be very high because our currency would be worth half what it is now. Our police force would be controlled by the mafias and S’pore crimes would be the same as that of Malaysia or worse and we would have a hard time attracting foreign investors and tourists.And you’ll see corruption in all govt dept’s.
And definitely too, ex pm racist Mahathir, would make sure to dilute our Chinese population with Muslims from Indonesia, Bangladesh and southern Philipines as he did to Sabah and Sarawak.
Of course, Generation Y guys refuse to see this. They only think of themselves and not the nation. In other words, they don’t give a shit. “It’s the past” they would say, “you’re an old man.” “We’re living in a high tech world.” If these guys think so, then ask yourself why does our govt continue spending so much money on our military and why do we we’ve NS? As I had said many times, it’s about time these Generation Y guys wake up and see the real world esp the fact that 200 mil hostile neighbors surround us. So about time, Generation Y stop thinking that we are safe and sound.
To end, let me quote President Kennedy, “Think what you can do for the country and not what the country can do for you.”
Majulah Singapura!
I bet many of us are grateful that we’re not anymore part of Malaysia when we read about the recent fire bombing of six Christian churches and one Catholic school in Malaysia. Well, if not for LKY’s insistence on a “Malaysian Malaysia”, do you think Tunku and UMNO would kick us out? And do you know that many UMNO leaders were not happy about it(letting us go) and that was the main reason why Tunku had to step down as pm.
Not only would our churches be set afire, 70% of us would become second class citizens like those Malaysian Chinese and Indians today. Our Chinese and Indian people would be subjected to the Apartheid policy practised openly and unashamedly by the UMNO govt under the pretense of bringing the economic status of the Bumi’s to par with the Chinese under their so called NEP or National Economic Policy. And imagine our civil service staffed by 99% of their people and less than 10% of our kids would be able to go to universities because of the special priority given to Bumi’s kids under their NEP! And had it happened, I wonder where the Chinese and Indians going to find jobs? And cost of living would be very high because our currency would be worth half what it is now. Our police force would be controlled by the mafias and S’pore crimes would be the same as that of Malaysia or worse and we would have a hard time attracting foreign investors and tourists.And you’ll see corruption in all govt dept’s.
And definitely too, ex pm racist Mahathir, would make sure to dilute our Chinese population with Muslims from Indonesia, Bangladesh and southern Philipines as he did to Sabah and Sarawak.
Of course, Generation Y guys refuse to see this. They only think of themselves and not the nation. In other words, they don’t give a shit. “It’s the past” they would say, “you’re an old man.” “We’re living in a high tech world.” If these guys think so, then ask yourself why does our govt continue spending so much money on our military and why do we we’ve NS? As I had said many times, it’s about time these Generation Y guys wake up and see the real world esp the fact that 200 mil hostile neighbors surround us. So about time, Generation Y stop thinking that we are safe and sound.
To end, let me quote President Kennedy, “Think what you can do for the country and not what the country can do for you.”
i think that the internet is indeed a powerful medium. it does have a wealth of information and incisive analysis not available on the mainstream media. however, there are equal amounts of misinformation and rhetoric out to mislead. what we need is a citizenry which is able to discern between the two, people who are critical of EVERRYTHING they read and who spend time and effort to analyse objectively and dispassionately all information and weigh all opinions. otherwise, the internet will just likely multiply the effect of mob rule. and as history has taught us, a mob is really the dumbest creature that has ever lived on Earth.
while there are more than 1,600 people on the vote PAP out facebook group, one should wonder whether these people have joined the group really because they have consciously analysed the shortcomings of the PAP and thought hard about who could be a viable alternative to form the government. or whether these people joined because of some personal grouse, as a emotional knee-jerk reaction or simply because it’s fashionable.
incidentally, while there are more than 1,600 people who are members of the vote PAP out group, there are 23,069 supporters on the LKY fan page. granted a number of people who joined are probably phantoms or ‘kena saboed’, but even if only 10% are genuine, it’s still 2,300 people who support LKY. and that’s LKY alone, not even the other cabinet ministers. conclusion, the opposition should not rest on their laurels just because 1,600 joined the vote PAP out group. the opposition still has a lot more work to do if they want to pose a credible challenge to the PAP in the next GE.
I had a dream.
I dreamt of President John F. Kennedy rising from his grave in Arlington and saying to MM, referring to his $3million salary:
“Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”
(quote P1)I bet many of us are grateful that we’re not anymore part of Malaysia when we read about the recent fire bombing of six Christian churches and one Catholic school in Malaysia. Well, if not for LKY’s insistence on a “Malaysian Malaysia”, do you think Tunku and UMNO would kick us out? And do you know that many UMNO leaders were not happy about it(letting us go) and that was the main reason why Tunku had to step down as pm.
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. as he did to Sabah and Sarawak.
Of course, Generation Y guys refuse to see this. They only think of themselves and not the nation. In other words, they don’t give a shit. “It’s the past” they would say, “you’re an old man.” “We’re living in a high tech world.” If these guys think so, then ask yourself why does our govt continue spending so much money on our military and why do we we’ve NS? As I had said many times, it’s about time these Generation Y guys wake up and see the real world esp the fact that 200 mil hostile neighbors surround us. So about time, Generation Y stop thinking that we are safe and sound. (end quote)
What a load of rubbish assumption, you probably miss this other angle :
Actually we would be far better off as part of Malaysia at least that would provide us the hinterland to build more HDB flats to house more foreigners. If a “Malaysia Malaysian” was being successfully incorporated then it would be the end of the present Malaysia. If PAP was to allowed to contest in Malaysia as an opposition party then, then there would not be a strong UMNO.
With PAP forming the government of Malaysia, I wonder who was going to be the second class citizens. The racial population of Malaysia under PAP, you with your myopic mind you can never envision the proportion. If “Malaysia Malaysian” was successful, all your worry would surely not come true.
Let me put it straight right to you, Parkia 1, even if your under can still come up, your top is upside down and you an old man in a land of nostalgic dream with a tail too heavy between your legs it is doubtful if you could wander far. Stop being so ancient and smarten to be modern befitting someone worthy to be spoken to.
Your understanding of Generation Y is way below par. With your intellect limited within a box has no hint of thinking outside the box has given rise to a big mismatch. The Generation Y travels the four seas and savor salt of a wider variety to match your consumption of local quantity. Parkia 1 please sit back and relax and watch the next change show starring Generation Y.
(quote Parkia1)”To end, let me quote President Kennedy, “Think what you can do for the country and not what the country can do for you.”(end quote)
LOL, you probably hoodwinking our Y generation with your heartfelt quote – “Think what you can do for the PAP and not what the MIW can do for you.”
LOL…. this is a not circus and we need no clown.
My humble apology for any unintended imprudent, hope to share some jest and laughter. We are after all Singapore citizens.
your understanding of gen y is below par…what a koke
I am very happy to read the posts of Paikia1. There are many “bombs” thrown at him. This is wrong. Paikia himself reacted with some obscene references. This is also wrong. Cool down! Everybody!
Paikia1 is entitled to his opinion. this board is very boring if day after day people keep throwing stones at LKY.
We love Paikia1, don’t flame him.
Now for my two cents worth.
Paikia1 the thrust of ALL YOUR articles is one dimensional. Did it occur to you that they are 100% based on feelings and gratitude and sentimentalism over things past? All your arguments go like this: xxx did a great job in the past, look at this example look at that example and so on, and by virtue of the great job done in the past, you feel so safe that they will continue to do well in the future – in the mean time conveniently forgetting , forgiving, perhaps condoning, numerous current affair issues . Do you not see that the glue which holds the incumbent together is going to fade soon – you sure you are happy with the successors? No fractious disputes internally? Everything continue to be clean and green? No corruption? Perfect like in the good ol’ days (to you)? I have nothing to say if you still think YES, you are entitled to your opinion.
My dear, it is a totally flawed argument to carry the history into the present to arrive at a conclusion. What was past is past. I agree with you, every (actually, almost) every example you raised of the glorious past, deserves credit, commendation, yes, Thank You very much PAP, Good Job! fantastic! Awesome!
In my opinion, it is only pure foolhardiness and sentimentalism and blindness, that makes one believe in the notion that “once good, forever good”. It take time to become good and learn the ropes. If we don’t let go the ropes now, and let some smart oppostion into the system, when will they learn? We cannot always live in the past, we have to plan for the future, we have to plan for the day when PAP dissintegrate due to old man gone and many problems internally, Yes?. Part of the solution is to allow capable people with potential into the system to learn and contribute. INTELLIGENCE AND INTEGRITY IS NOT THE MONOPOLY OF PAP, if i may use some of the ideas i believe are clouding your mind. There are other good people on this land!!!! But without good soil and fertiliser,encouragement they cannot grow. Nothing is perfect. You wouldn’t know if your son will come out of the delivery room stillborn or healthy or inbetween. We have to have faith, dear.
We love you, pal, keep the posts coming., it is too boring on this blog without you.
zero
Civilisation rise and fall, so don’t expect me to clap history for just a fleeting moment of self-adolation and blind of the downside that “success” obscured in ALL INSTANCE OF SELF-AGGRANDISATION.
If you ask me, is Singapore is a success? My simple answer is a return poser – will it survive tommorrow?. This is reality AND ONLY THE ANSWER to this question matters.
The world progressed over 45 years – not just Singapore but a lot of nations will continue to prosper but I am less certain about Singapore.
TONNES OF PROBLEMS, PITFALLS AND VULNERABILITIES OF MONUMENTAL DIMENSIONS IN ECONOMIC CONCEALED. In place of realities, a dim-witted everlasting self-praising MSM prevails over troubles and nightmare of failures from housing,to national security, to economy and in utter dumb simplicity of solution – a migration of millions this place could NOT physically and economically sustain.
So what is the relevance of past glory in any hint of possible solutions to present insurmountable woes above? If it is ANY HELPFUL AND OF MEAGRE THE PROBBLEMS WE FACED NOW IS PROOF OF EXCESSES AND FAILURES OF PAST POLITIES AND if past policies has any RELEVANCE, how come we found ourselves in this completely befuddled cross-road of don’t know what is the solution other than dumb migration???
This debate is ROBUST AND IT SHOULD BE. No malice or ill-will is intended and all are welcomed.
Running a country is not an easy job as what some of those Generation Y people think, esp in a non homogeneous country like ours. Our population consists of different ethnicities worshiping different religions and have different ideologies. And among the Chinese population, there is the English educated and the Chinese educated, with two sets of values.
If any of us has ever hold office in any organization, we would realize how tough it’s at time just to get a consensus or majority votes to pass a motion. Extrapolate this to running a country and then you would realize how tough it is.
Barrack Obama presidential election campaign slogan was “change.” He has been in office now for a year and has he been able to change, like pulling back American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan or closing down Guantamano’s Bay? No, he has to continue with almost the same policy as President Bush.
So the story is the same with running Singapore. It’s not as easy as what some Generation Y guys think.
(quote)Running a country is not an easy job as what some of those Generation Y people think, esp in a non homogeneous country like ours. Our population consists of different ethnicities worshiping different religions and have different ideologies. And among the Chinese population, there is the English educated and the Chinese educated, with two sets of values.(end quote)
Running against PAP is the worst job than you can ever think of. They got to Worry being captured and put in prison, yet this Y generation who are better educated than their father, seems more undaunted, putting on armour to go to battle in the spirit of David vs Goliath. They are destined to a better life because their parents worked hard for Singapore. Yet after building Singapore, PAP gives away the places to another breed of people. Now this generation is risking it all against the all powerful PAP to get back what they have been robbed. If you do not support them the least you can do is please don’t demoralized them.
Chinese educated belong to a more ancient people, they are not much found in the Y generation though there are some excellent bi linguals.
(quote) If any of us has ever hold office in any organization, we would realize how tough it’s at time just to get a consensus or majority votes to pass a motion. Extrapolate this to running a country and then you would realize how tough it is.(end quote)
As the boss, one knows that he could make all those working under him crawl with the money he sprawl. As leader of course you can manipulate and fit the pieces to build the puzzle to come up with one whole picture. This then can please the senses of the people. A leader could motivate his people with love and passion and not one who pass a motion. In methodology you get mediocre man and woman, with true leadership you wake up your men’s passion, I tell you they can surely move a mountain so stop looking down on this Y generation. These people are ready to unleash all their passion when a true leader can be found in their generation. In running a country if you have the people willingly to stand behind you, irregardless how small is the country it will surely flourish. Let me tell you, the Y generation has the passion and in them they could make great changes in our country to face a whole new century and get it done with flying colors to top it all.
(quote)Barrack Obama presidential election campaign slogan was “change.” He has been in office now for a year and has he been able to change, like pulling back American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan or closing down Guantamano’s Bay? No, he has to continue with almost the same policy as President Bush.(end quote)
Has there no change? What change is change? Did he not schedule troops withdrawal and now the Iraqis taking over? Is he not planing to move troops to Afghanistan to fight the war on terror just as he promised? Everything is changing just as promised? Has he not closed down Guantanamo Bay and returning the combatant to other places just as he promised. Things are changing only your mind is stuck in the sixties and dream an old man dream.
(quote)So the story is the same with running Singapore. It’s not as easy as what some Generation Y guys think.(end quote)
Old people likes to tell story, young people likes to do things. Please flip over and retire and let others come forward to make this a better place for the Singapore’s race.
I know all your grandfather’s stories but I am afraid it makes us yawn and sleepy, please spare us by coming up some brand new stories, maybe something a little more kinky and refreshing to spice up our day.
Paikia1, ah, Paikia1, I really enjoy being entertained by your unwaivering faith in something which no longer works. (re. 12th Jan 2010 4:48 pm )
Now let me comment again,,
It is quite obvious that running a country is not easy. Yes, yes and yes again, we know the various issues, the race problem, the cultural divide, et al. BUT SINGAPOREANS ARE SMART PEOPLE. We are not so stupid as you think . Do you really believe that it is only one particular Political Party which can understand social, economic and political issues, and all the rest are bloody Goondus who will drive the country to complete destruction? For that matter, Great Leader in recent times is threading on thin ice casting silly questions like “will you share rice grain with Malays…” it is as silly a question as “if you are in a sinking ship will you save you mother or your wife”. Such questions could drive the country into further destruction in fact! Isn’t that an unnecessary and divisive question to ask? You must be still in a hypnotic state, relishing of the good things done by the Party in the Sixties. Can you not see that the Beauty had already morphed into a Beast?
You mentioned about “how tough it is to get consensus…”. Sorry but you aim at the wrong target, pal. The Objective is not to get consensus, the Objective is to get a good solution, even if it is not an ideal solution, we want win win solutions.
What is the point of “consensus” if the results are disasterous? Today, Great Leader easily gets “consensus” hands down – thanks to people with historical baggage and sentimental, non-objective driven feelings like you. Are the consensus solutions THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS? If you think how they handled the Minibonds fiasco, the Mas Selamat fiasco, the Billion Dollar losses of Temasek fiasco, the HDB runaway price increase fiasco, the scolding-singaporeans-for-being-less-hard-striving-and-replacing-them-wholesale fiasco, the 40% population-increase authorisation-with-no-discussion-fiasco, and so on… if you think such kind of consensus solutions are THE correct and YES the best solutions, good luck to you i have nothing else to say.
As i mentioned before, with the inevitable passing of Great Leader, and possibly even Great Leader Junior, what will become of this “consensus” comfort that you enjoy in future? Do you have confidence in all the rest of the bunch, judging from their performance over the last 5 years? Do you respect all their solutions, their methods, their styles, their attitudes? If you say YES, good luck to you I have nothing else to say.
But if you should say NO, or even a weak MAYBYE NOT then you have seen the Light, and you are not beyond redemption, Paikia1 my dear.
Because – let me say again – there are many smart Singaporeans around, and many in forced exile overseas. They are completely suppressed now and have no chance to rise to the occasion. But they are here, there, everywhere!!! They will help us forge a middle-road approach to the problems facing us. No one is perfect, but with time and ingenuity and a bit of encouragement, growth and survival will ensue.
Finally, please think through these points again and i am hope you will appreciate that your state of mind is actually completely determined by your sentimentalism and gratitude for things correctly done by a particular Party (or a particular Leader) IN THE PAST. Let’s move on and do what is reasonable and have faith.
zero
It saddens me that Paikiah1,whatever his age and capability of his libido was putting a strong case for my generation but was slightly misunderstood.
I dare say that we hold at least 25% if not more of the votes and most likely majority does not bother about the net for info.
AS for me,I can surf the net but I still consider myself IT no SAVVY,and sadly the net does not come out smelling like roses.There is also a lot of bull in the net besides the truth (my observation and readings).
Paikia1’s post I must admit is the general consensus of my generation not because of propaganda or PAP brainwashing as what is written in the post most often but a reality we lived through and God forbid we don’t need to go through that once more.
Maybe, just maybe when this generation of ours is gone with LKY leading the death march,the Y-Gen may be able to take charge with their brilliance and out of the box analytical and critical thinking mind brought about by our Educational system heavily criticized by the very same mind that benefited from it.(no offence just reality)try the education system in Malaysia,Indonesia if you doubt my comment.
I had always advocated a check & balance in parliament to counter some of the arrogant overpaid ministers & MP. Cut the crap of the past that includes everything as this generation’s favourite statement and come out with guns blazing like Chiam See Thong did more than twenty years ago though a Lone Ranger without a Tonto by his side.
Lets see this Y-Gen do a CST & LTK and should a credible opposition coalition capable of grabbing 30 MP seats than maybe, just maybe the wind of change will take place.Till than there is nothing wrong with having IDEALS after all the PAP started with IDEALS 59 years ago.