Temasek Review considering starting CNA-like forum on its site and is appealing for moderators
December 31st, 2009 | 
Author: Written by Our Correspondent
Over the last few days, we have received several requests from readers to set up a forum for them to start their own discussion threads and to engage in meaningful debate with other readers.
The Temasek Review had started a similar forum in the first half of the year, but floundered due to lack of active participation from its readers who still prefer to post comments directly on the site.
With our readership increasing by four-fold since then, it may be a good time to revisit the idea.
Our only concern is that we do not have the manpower or time to manage the forum.
As such, we hope that the forum will be run completely by our readers for themselves autonomously apart from Temasek Review which will enable its administrators to concentrate solely on managing the main site.
We have a group of long-term loyal readers whom we trust and we will like to appeal to them to assist us by being moderators of the site – cy, fairplayplease, citizenofSG, fair and square, Exposer, Darth Vader, PeterL, Kennasai, Alan Wong, qussl3, randomnessinmind, XIIblackcat, Time for Change and Concerned Singaporean.
All you need to do is to moderate the postings to ensure that our forum does not denegenerate into a cesspool like some others. We will still take charge of the technicalities.
Please email us at temasekreview@gmail.com if you are keen to join us as a moderator of the new forum. For those we have left out of the list and wish to contribute as well, just email us and tell us your moniker.
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I read the list of honourable names you have selected as your moderators. You have missed “Sinkapore” whose views are always so refreshing and informative.
GREAT news for the new year!!
I saw another TR layout last night. when will that be up? it looks nice.
Are any of these ‘long-term loyal readers’ – cy, fairplayplease, citizenofSG, fair and square, Exposer, Darth Vader, PeterL, Kennasai, Alan Wong, qussl3, randomnessinmind, XIIblackcat, Time for Change and Concerned Singaporean – qualified enough to moderate on anti-Indian or anti-Malay racist posts that is a staple of any forum catering to Singaporeans?
Are they all Chinese?
Are do they have that all-important quality called fairplay, a quality so sorely lacking in all moderators already in business everywhere else in Singapore cyberspace?
No, racism is NOT confined to ethnic name-calling; it’s an area of academic specialization, and the majority of people anywhere in the world are not qualified to adjudicate on the topic.
Already, going by the names named, I have zero confidence that fairplay is going to be part of the scene here.
Nice to have features:
1) No deletion of posts by moderators. They can “hide” it posting is considered inappropriate.
2) Implement ‘like’, ‘dislike’ or ‘Report abuse’ button. Moderators can quickly zoom in to inappropriate postings.
Wonderful now we are getting some true non “highfalutin” sensible,rational man in the street Kindergarden non passes to Phd(genuine)to post,comment,……
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!T..he R…eal one somewhat like COKE!!!!
Is time for change the same guy who always post the same one liner?
admin:-
Kindly add my pal Anonymous/Elfred to the list TR cam’t do without him even though at times he is a little “cheong hay”
WRONG MOVE TR !
why?
Because myself had been on online discussion for more than 18 years and I would still consider myself least qualified as a moderators.Why?
Because a forum is the mirror image of it’s moderator and it’s success and failure depends very much on him or her persona..Just take a good look at the most successful local forums ; it was successful very much because of the very personality who sits on the driver seat.
Sammyboy was the most succesful web based forum(after soc.culture.singapore) very much because of 2 reasons.First the anonymity of participants is guranteed by Delphi(US based) ,even Sam as it’s moderator is not privy to participant’s IP addresses, and two because Sam allowed a free flow and seldom intervened…Till Sammyboy moved to it’s very own web based platform where one’s identity is no longer a secret..Many regular on the know did not enter it.The 3in1kopitiam is a total waste even though it carriied Delphi’s protection shield because it’s moderator carried the stigma of racism.
Even in Malaysia ,blogs cum forum such as Malaysia Today or chedet.cc owes it’s success very much because of it’s personality.Take Raja Petra and Dr.Mahathir away from it’s equation and it would fold the next day.Likewise for Rocky’s Bru and such
I can sense TR dilemma ,what to do with the over flowing comments and yet not get itself into trouble with minimum of manpower!
My suggestion.—Go on with TR current status quo,like that of on line news portal cum forum,without having separate platforms.Because one may kill the other if handled wrongly.Because TR is still in it’s infant stage.Crawl before you run sort of speaking.But that still leaves you with the shortage of manpower right?
Suggestion,–Invite only those you know to help you to moderate.It should not be a public knowledge.Why?Because no one worth his/her salt wants to be moderated by an unknown and unproven peers.Even if LKY is to moderate Dr.Chee or viz a vis…you are still in trouble…These are the major pitfalls any wannebe forum in SG must avoid.
Imagine manufacturing portfolios.If your demand exceeds the supply you can manufacture ; what do you do?..You can either extend your very own manufacturing line incurring increased extra fixed cost or sub-contract.Most will sub contract as in OEM manufactured goods.But no manufacturer in his right mind will let the public know.Because people buy on brand basis.Emotional thingy lah.
Brand yourself first TR.
obox on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 9:09 am
“Are they all Chinese?”
That comment of yours is unwarranted and prejudicial. You are at risks of racial vilification at law – I am warning you here. If in doubt, ask your lawyer.
I can’t speak for others as I don’t know their nationality or ethnicity. I AM NOT INTERESTED ONE BIT AND IS NOT RELEVANCE TO ME.
AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT PRESUMED PREJUDICE AS I DON’T OWN THEIR MINDS NOR THEIR THOUGHTS. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF ONLY AND I STRENUOUSLY RESENT ANY IMPORT OF ANY SHAPE, COLOURISATION, POSSIBLE BIAS NOR PREFERENCE OTHERWISE (FROM ANYONE INCLUDING YOURSELF) ATTRIBUTABLE TO MY RACE, RELIGION. POLITICS OR LIFE EXPERIENCES.
You should NOT ask about my race, PERIOD. Please withdraw because as my moniker says, I am “fairplay” blogger.
It is VERY OFFENSIVE to me because I travelled, lived and economically engaged internationally for nearly 3 decades, mixed, ate, share humour and abuse with all nationalities and all kind. I am race and ehtnicity neutral in thoughts and conduct.
I deserve an apology from you here, don’t I and if you refused, I will email TR and ask them to delete your post above.
IT IS DISGUSTING and bloody uncivilised!
I’m a prime contributor to the CNA forum. Look forward to your new forum.
PeterL on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 9:30 am
“Kindly add my pal Anonymous….”
I am not sure which “Anonymous” you are refering to above. There are quite a few around. Just in case (and I am surmising here) you are pointing in the direction of me who sometimes are in friendly “loggerhead” with you, you have made a NOT extremely good suggestion.
This “Anonymous” actually failed kindergarden leaving examination!!! Not a good choice at all for all his/her extreme poverty of “intellect”!!!!!
Otherwise, Anonymous is often snowed under other unhealthy “pressure of time and mental acuity” to be a consistent effective moderator for TR.
But PeterL, it is still your nice thought of flattery and is sincerely appreciated.
Dear Admin
thanks for your kind consideration.
i must apologise to you as i do not feel adequate as yet
to be a moderator on your proposed site though i must reassure you of my ardent support by my humble contributions in your blogs.
i do concur with PeterL and fairplay that Anonymous and Sinkapore have good and sincere views and should be on your panel.
once agin thank you so much and wishing you even greater success in all your future endeavours.
fair and square.
Fairplay-
I empathize with you regarding Robox without a doubt he is definitely wallowing in self pity for not achieving what he felt he could with his self proclaim academic and intellectual qualifications.
Do not be angry with him but sympathize with him as a fellow frustrated Singaporean??? who needs to be heard.
True Singaporean-
Good points but TR need to start somewhere, I am sure there are many well qualified readers watching and waiting to see TR’s claim as non partisan and will eventually wade into the foray with their most needed non bias articles and comments.The journey of a thousand miles begin with the first step. Lets give TR a lift in this non bias and fair airing BLOG
Here is wishing TR and all its readers ” A HAPPY AND SUCCESSFUL FORWARD LOOKING 2010 “
Sorry,correction, NON PARTISAN & not NON BIAS, TR tends to lean onto the bias at times but than who does’nt’ we are human after all.
Hi admin,
Thanks for including me as your moderator.
I will assist in whatever way I can whenever I can. Please put us all on probation and if we are not doing a good job, remove us. No problem, its something to contribute to netcitizens at large. When the time to give has come, we must not shriek our responsibility.
There is no point in debating over who is qualified or not. Over time there will be maturity, as things are not static. I suggest to anyone who wish to help TR to succeed please do so voluntarily. Just help to kick start the forum by giving TR a helping hand.
Best Regards,
citizenofSG
Anonymous(kindergarden)-
My friend if you can allow me to call you my friend,your contributions though “cheong at times” makes good sense and open many avenues for debate for ordinary man to understand simple and not “highfalutin” govt. policies which at times make no sense or to “cheem” for ordinary people to understand.Do they realize that there are about 30%-40% of us still around???
@fairplay who said: I read the list of honourable names you have selected as your moderators. You have missed “Sinkapore” whose views are always so refreshing and informative.
Neh, getting me on the Board of Moderators is suicide for TR. Readers will be sceptical and may be turned off due to my previous ‘link’ with the System. Anonymous (ie: Jane Ho) should be a good choice though she/he may be sceptical at times but not without reason.
I am contended with some technical issues and singing songs as and when the need arises.
My opinion on the CNA style forum is much the same as the rest ABOVE ME. It is NOT a good idea but if I were to be asked for my 2 cents, I would say maybe setup a eHome of sort, like those created by Discuz where readers wanting their own small piece of cyberspace can start a blog under TR’s main domain or a domain which TR have created specifically for that. A wordpress MU c/w buddy press is also a good choice.
As for readers sceptical to partake, afraid that their IPs, whatever will be recorded, I say please don’t be foolish and childish. Sinkapore authorities (certain department DO monitor Internet Chatters, without your knowledge and consent under the guise of protecting against cyber terrorist).
Plainly put, EVERYTHING YOU DO, EVERYWHERE YOU SURF online is NOT anonymous at all, so your worry of your identity being logged by some server is totally unwarranted. Which server in the world for that matter doesn’t log hits and visitor’s ‘VITAL INFORMATION’?
If security is really your concern, use a VPN.
Fairplayplease on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 11:05 am:
Re: “That comment of yours is unwarranted and prejudicial.”
UNWARRANTED EH? AND PREJUDICIAL TOO TO BOOT?
Let’s start with your charge against me of being “prejudicial”, remembering that “prejudice” is rooted in the Latin for “before” (ie. “pre”) and “judgement” (ie. judis).
What you mean by your charge against me is that I have pre-judged you.
Now, let’s go on to “unwarranted” then.
Where, in ALL of the threads that were contaminated by Chinese racism was YOUR contribution against racism towards Indians. Or Malays? When have YOU ever spoken out against racism towards us?
I don’t recall a single post you have written that is against the UNWARRANTED – YES, UNWARRANTED – Chinese racism towards minority races in Singapore.
Have I pre-judjed you? Or do you have evidence to prove otherwise?
Re: “You are at risks of racial vilification at law – I am warning you here. If in doubt, ask your lawyer.”
Go ahead and pursue legal action against me. I challenge you to the fullest.
PROVE to me that you Chinese are NOT all talk and ZERO action.
I would LOVE to meet you in court, especially with the proof that I have been collecting.
DON”T EVER UNDERESTIMATE ME? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
TR: Please feel free to give out my email address to this Chinese chauvinist challenger to my anti-racism.
only 2 points to consider…
1. Moderators – needs to consider 2 things..Quality of their comments (this will mirror the actual person’s quality) as well as their Quantity of Comments (this will ensure commitment)
by the way, having too many moderators will create a scenario of too many cooks spoil the soup syndrome. What if 2 moderators have very differring views, then how?
2. This new forum will certainly “value add” to the current blog how? There is a certain law called the Diminishing Marginal Returns.
The Credibility and Effectiveness of TR was build up slowly over time and a finding a value for itself in the context which in its exists…have to be very careful to consider deviation from your current Core Competence.
Fairplayplease on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 11:05 am
Re: “You should NOT ask about my race, PERIOD.”
Why not? When racism is very likely to be a staple of any new forum that TR sets up, your race and your qualifications to adjudicate on matters of race and racism are linked directly to your race.
Re: “Please withdraw because as my moniker says, I am “fairplay” blogger.”
No matter what your self-appointed moniker says you are, I still need proof that you live up to your moniker.
Provide me with substantial proof and I will withdraw.
Deal?
Fairplayplease on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 11:05 am:
Re: “I deserve an apology from you here, don’t I and if you refused, I will email TR and ask them to delete your post above.”
Sorry? For what?
Go ahead and email TR, you wimp.
I don’t care where you have travelled, and what kind of exotic food you ate; you cannot present ANY proof of any of your oh-so-inclusive-of-every-race proclivities.
Instead, I still want to know from you: What have you done on this site that can convince me that you are the Great Defender Of Racial Equality In Singapore and are therefore qualified to be a moderator in any new forum set up by TR?
Re: “IT IS DISGUSTING and bloody uncivilised!”
Mutual sentiments, honey.
@Robox
it is sad to see fellow singaporeans downplaying each other when the elites are already disgracing and tearing us blatantly in public and on international stage.
do you have good friends who are chinese or “mixed”?
how about your boss or your colleagues?are they all indians?
if you have been hurt one way or another by any person or persons,i suggest you be a man and go settle with him/them.
no one here,whether chinese,indian or melayu or eurasians or
‘mixed asians’-like chinese-indian-deserve your incessant and
inconsiderate sarcasm.
if you are a truly born and bred singaporean and have shared a durian or a plate of mee-siam with another chinese or malay
singaporean,you would not be so “how-lian”?!!!
if you have a “mental block”,i think you ought to seek help.
all the best and hope you do yourself a big big favour…you,like all of us here and elsewhere,do deserve a happy brand new 2010!!!
I am honoured but i must decline, as voltaire says
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
i will just let any comment go thro,racist,abusive or not because i firmly believe in the intelligence of readers here to discern right from wrong, truth from fallacy.
so, in the end i will not be doing my job well.Might as well don’t do.
maybe TR should revisit the idea of registration, i now support it as the comments are increasing.those who persist in abusive,racist remarks will be warned, given yellow cards before red card. also,posters reputation could be built up, thus their comments need not be moderated.
TR can also consider setting up a strictly ranting corner, no need for your moderation.
fair and square on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 1:37 pm:
Re: “…it is sad to see fellow singaporeans downplaying each other when the elites are already disgracing and tearing us blatantly in public and on international stage.”
Oh, so we are “fellow Singaporeans’ now, are we?
Yes, that’s exactly how I felt when you Chinese here were deliberately downplaying Indians: why were you so-called ‘fellow Singaporeans’ downplaying each us when the elites are already disgracing and tearing us blatantly in public and on international stage?
Or why were you here deliberately remaining silent when you witness your own Chinese community downplaying other equally Singaporean citizens who happen to be from a different ethnicity from you?
But you will NOT remain silent just because I have something to say back to you, will you?
Because of the big hypocrite that you are.
Where was your all-important advice to the Chinese racists when all that ‘downplaying’ was happening?
Or do you only believe in unity with us now that your own interests are threatened so that you can make use of us to further your own selfish interests?
What’s going to happen after your own race-based interests are met? Discriminate against us again? Why should I trust any of your words when you have only proven yourselves to be the contrary of the nice-sounding words you have now?
As for the rest of your post, YOU get help. Because you really need it.
@Robox
i call a spade a spade and an indian and indian.
i have indian friends i made during my school days and
we are still friends.
if you misread my intentions,pure ans simple,i can’t
help neither would i try to cajole you to realise your own misconceptions.
we can bring the horse to the river but if it refuse to drink,
then that’s not our fault.
honestly,your mind seems clouded and filled with hatred.
once again, i wish you all the best.
and,by the way, i am not affected at all by your sarcasms or
ill-intentions.
take care.
Robox the IB that has been tasked by the govt to go around the forums to turn every discussion into a racist discussion. When clearly this article is about moderators, he talks about race. He will bash, insult and accuse anyone who is not racist to be racist of Indians.
He tries to bait everyone to quarrel with him online and in the end the original meaning of the discussion is destroyed. So the best advice is to ignore him completely.
He is paranoid and delusional at every turn and will return the clock to the manufacturer when he hears the slightest tick of the clock.
Dear Admin and fellow TR Readers,
I do have a right of reply here.
ROBOX,
I don’t care what genesis you this caterpillar comes from. Neither do I want to know.I have no association with you nor relate in conversations with you on any of your poor taste comments on TR blogs. You don’t know me and I don’t want to associate with your despicable conduct.
But just remember you wrote these lines above in sequence that reflect your thoughts and thought process (and I am leaving out the irrelevance for now)at Robox on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 9:09 am.
“Are any of these ‘long-term loyal readers’ – _y, fairplayplease,…….”
“Are they all Chinese?”
“Are do they have that all-important quality called fairplay, a quality so sorely lacking in all moderators already in business everywhere else in Singapore cyberspace?”
“Already, going by the names named, I have zero confidence that fairplay is going to be part of the scene here.
The totality of your published evidence says the following
1. You identified me and unmentioned others as Chinese
2. and categorise this group of bloggers as failing of “all important quality of fairrplay” and
3. quite definitively of your conclusion WITHOUT EVIDENCE WHATSOVER that you have “zero confidence that fairplay” is going to be part of the scene here.
My head is on my shoulder, NOT yours, how do you know what my mind is thinking? YOU IDIOT!!!
I don’t know you and neither do you know me but THATDID NOT STOPPED you from crucified my thoughts as of having some kind of racist import.
IS THAT PERSONAL ATTACK WARRANTED AND NOT PREJUDICIAL TO ME (AND ANY OTHERS) YOU TARRED IN ONE STROKE BRUSH OF ILL-FAME??
What if someone WITHOUT PROVOCATION FROM YOU called your father is pig and your mother is a cow or a hyena and you are a perverted cross in between – is that fair to you, ROBOX?
YOUR CONDUCT BY EVIDENCE OF LAW revealed an undertaking of spite, ill-will or another improper motive that is KNOWINGLY to you as baseless and irrelevant to me.
Your incivility is not just for style and content of your writing BUT THIS PARTICULAR POST HAS NEGATIVE IMPACT on me and others who read your posts as this identified group are of certain uncharitable characterisation, by virtue of BOTH its UNSUBSTANTIATED DEROGATORY CONTENT AND ABUSIVE STYLE appertaining to me.
And if I ever had to mind to sue you this moron, ROBOX, just 5 minutes in the courtroom I will kick your ar$e out in humiliation never mind your battery of QCs supporting. You are on notice of racial vilification conduct is sufficient of warning from me at this juncture.
TR, much as I prefer to respect the privacy of TR and all readers, I request that you delete his posts above and if such offensive conduct continues to come from his thoughts and actions, delete them as well. NO ONE ELSE BEHAVES LIKE HIM.
We don’t need to share his cesspool.
@Robox – I agree with you that we should have moderators of various races to be fair or seen to be fair. However without volunteers from various races, how do you want TR to find all the races to fill the post of moderators.
Nonetheless if there is only one race of moderators exist among those who can and want to contribute and make themselves available then it is too bad. There should be contributors from the other races. I sincerely hope moderators should be of different races.
It will be quite a challenging task for example there is a racial issue involving race X or Y, where the moderator is of X or Y race. Since politic involves people and people involves races, we have to be mindful. In the case where it cannot be help then you have to trust the integrity of the moderator and TR.
It is an important point to take note and I hope TR will want to look into this issue as well. However we should not burden TR on this issue too much and I urge the minority race will volunteer themselves to be moderator without being asked.
Gentleman it is not time for arguing, it is time for contributing. If you don’t contribute then Mr. Sear Hock Rong might just volunteer.
from the look of the discussion already here. not a good idea
Okay, count me in. And don’t bother about Robox doubting my neutrality. After all, as hostile to the government as I appear to be sometimes, I did point out that we cannot blame them for the diplomatic immunity enjoyed by Dr. Silviu Ionescu. And Robox himself is a bigot anyway.
citizenofSG on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 3:33 pm
The presumption that racism is inherent in anyone or moderators or TR has no basis of truth. Anyone agreeing to that role needs to be mindful of
a) senstivity of other cultures but allowing for styles and content
b) the style and content is NOT in substance derogatory and abusive without compelling evidence or arguments in support but simply blunt knife of butchery of easy access. In simple analogy, a car is a good private transport medium but behind the wheels of a drunkard and speed-mad crazy driver of no regard for his/her own safety is a murder weapon. Over time, TR readers will protest and TR will act to remove such unsavory censor or posts as relevant.
c) the most vocal blogger is NOT necessarily the best moderator – that role requires ethics and even sometimes detached position even if the moderator disagree privately.
d) moderators can exist without invitation. Anyone seeing trolling or irrelevant nonsense or posts that is obviously deceiving of imputation or claims of truth can be debunked by other bloggers. In other words, many of the blogs are self-correcting of moderation.
e) the last thing we should have is a moderator with pre-conceived strong personal views of racism, religious or bias of irrationality and evident irrational behavour
Don’t you agree with me?
a. TR, thanks for considering me as a moderator. I am humbled by the responsibility. Someone has to take up the cudgel and if it has to be me, yes. Give me guidelines and I’ll do my best.
But really, as responsible commentators and contributors, we should be aware and always practice self-criticism. We ask ourselves if our comments are honest, correct and accurate.
I quote Abraham Lincoln: “With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right”.
b. Right now, we have one focus i.e. enable our readers to know the truth and bring morality back to politics in Singapore. The TR forum may allow us to do just that. Hopefully we may all contribute to a better Singapore’s political landscape and sooner.
I quote James Anthony Froude: Morality, when vigorously alive, sees farther than intellect.
c. PeterL, Robox and Fair & Square – we are Singaporeans not by choice but birth as our forefathers came here to seek better lives. We are in our skins also not by choice. It is matters of the heart that count. Forget this race and religion thing. These are just side shows. Race and religion do not oppress. People do.
I quote Mahatma Gandhi: “Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress.”
robox, go set up your own forum in your cozy hole there. non of any races need a racist like you here.
@Anonymous
i concur with what you are driving at,it makes honest sense.
those who decide to blog here must bear in mind that this blog is representative of singapore racial mix.
it’s just like our workplace…do we tell the boss there is too many chinese or too many malays or indians,we don’t because
we have full knowledge and understanding and basic intelligence to note that this is a multi-racial society with chinese as the majority race.
i am no racist,i just don’t subscribe to extremism and pure nonsense.
i don’t want to say this but i guess at this stage i must.
If Robox continue to ‘box’ himself like this,even if he were to go to India,he will neccessarily ‘FEEL DISCRIMINATED’,I THINK MORE SO THAN HERE IN GRACIOUS SINGAPORE WHERE THERE IS NO SCUH THING AS ‘CASTE SYSTEM’?
There’s nothing wrong in being an indian,but there is definitely something wrong if one is wayward abd stunted as is the sad case here.
thank you
Anonymous(Don’t you agree with me)- tells me my kindergarden friend as usual at the right time will post a very sensible comment.
Kannasai- thank you for a wonderful quote from Abe one of the many I admire and a sensible post.As to my comment to fairplay on ROBOX you will note it is to sympathize with his frustration as I am sure there are many like him venting their frustration/anger in the net.
@ KennaSai on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 4:51 pm
@ fair and square on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 7:02 pm
@ PeterL on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 7:33 pm
TR has been working very hard through the rough and tumble of it all. LET US ALL BE APPRECIATIVE and NOT be a spoiler.
Engage robustly if you feel justified but no malice.
PeterL is my sworn enemy of utmost temporary hate ( he bullied me with his qualification knowing I failed my kindergarden leaving examination) but if I visit his den, he will only have his coffee and won’t eat me up. Sure as the sunrise, I am going to bash his head with a big stick but it is only made of newspaper.
Bottomline is be constructive and thanks to one and all for your contributions to make my trips to this TR blog enjoyable each and every time.
Happy New Year to you all and TR. The rough and tumble of 2009 was “fun” even if not extremely humorous of economics but let us hope for a Prosperous 2010.
Hi TS admin
Can I offer a few suggestions.
The benefits of self moderation has been pointed out by a previous poster. I opine that it might be worth considering. Some sites already have community moderation in the sense that “un-deserving posts” are hidden once they have accumulated a percentage of negative votes.
If we were to have moderators in a CNA like forum, we could have a democratic style appointment. Any member should be able to start a thread in a sub-forum calling for the removal/appointment of a moderator. The posts in such a forum should be un-moderated to lend voice to the opposing party. The schematics of such a voting system can be worked out. It would also lend a democratic credibility to TR as opposed to Singapore Inc.
Lastly, TR’s site could use some makeover. The site is pretty slow and confusing to navigate especially with regards to browsing old topics.
Best Regards
Terry
Looking forward to the new forum. Hope there will be more quality posting and not many inane postings.
@ anonymous – hi anonymous, hope you also can volunteer to be a moderator. However all of us are subjected to the decision by admin, we can only say we avail ourselves and the rest we leave it to the administrator.
Often I find that to remove a posting is the onus of the moderator and if a moderator is not willing to tolerate and allow otherwise a good contributor to flourish, the forum will end up quite stereotype.
The best moderation is no moderation at all if you were to ask me. However we need to be mindful of other people’s feeling therefore we need to live within a certain guideline, rules and order.
Anyway at the end of the day, it is the available moderators online that matters and I guess you cannot choose who is the moderator. Yet it is good if we have moderators of different background and standing, even different races. To the chagrin of some quarters, personally I won’t mind there is some pro PAP moderators.
Fortunately I am not task to select moderators. LOL.
However our ultimate aim is to ensure TR progress and gain more readers, then our people will have alternate news to rival the MSM. With moderation, it will make TR very creditable. We cannot forever welcome only anti PAP readers instead we should welcome all types of readers.
To Temasek Review
Initially i didn’t have any strong feelings either way about the concept of moderator.
After reading the surprising arguments between two members, above, i am persuaded that moderator is necessary.
Moderator’s main job should be to delete all comments irrelevant to the thread. In this regard, a moderator would have immediately deleted squabbles between two users and saved the rest of us a lot of time and electricity. Moderator could also provide a common mailbox to allow people who wish to continue quarelling amongst themselves to avail themselves of the opportunity in private. The common mailbox whatever will allow them to retain their privacy and argue till they drop dead.
For the rest of us we want to concentrate on the issues at hand which is the future of singapore. I don’t think we are interested in who is right who is wrong in any private squabbles unrelated to the thread.
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citizenofSG on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 10:32 pm
Thanks for your encouragement and support. I had thought over this matter carefully. PeterL is in favour too. My commitments elsewhere are really tight, heavy and passionate of interest which is not comfortable to disclose on public domain. But I will support you and others like Darth Vader, KennaSai and all worthy others taken aboard by TR by being constructive of contributions and assist whereever I can in “community moderation” by discrediting or debunking myths etc as appropriate. I like to see this developing into a robust debating floor.
I agree with you good sense, charity of thoughts, and fair granting of space for all styles and contents are important even if one personally disagree.
TR has worked hard meritorious of our congratulations given all the disruptions they faced. I see better quality bloggers coming here with robust debates – that could also be a contributory factor to TR increasing popularity.
Thank you for your suggestion and invitation. Whilst living abroad, I did a fair bit of community service, so giving my time and commitment to society is NOT a new experience for me. My present commitment is unyielding. If my situation changes and can afford time and energy commitment, I will email TR to propose my further contribution along the line of your inviting thoughts.
If you are in business, I truly wish you every success in 2010.
Fairplayplease on Thu, 31st Dec 2009 3:28 pm:
Re: “You identified me and unmentioned others as Chinese.”
Bloody LIAR!
I ASKED if all the names mentioned were of Chinese individuals. How is that the same thing as IDENTIFYING them positively as Chinese?
Besides, don’t you think that in a Singapore space, the probability of most if all names mentioned in as a group would be Chinese?
so are you or are not Chinese?
Re: “…and categorise this group of bloggers as failing of “all important quality of fairrplay”.”
Prve me wrong then.
Where were all your names in this thread on Malay education but was hijacked by Chinese racist pigs to further their own agenda? If any of the names mentioned are on this thread, what role did they play? A racist one or an anti-racist one?
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/12/27/are-pap-malay-leaders-and-state-associated-malay-organisations-doing-enough-for-malay-education/
Re: “…quite definitively of your conclusion WITHOUT EVIDENCE WHATSOVER that you have “zero confidence that fairplay” is going to be part of the scene here.”
Well, provide the evidence to the contrary then.
Alternatively, you can instead show me how you would have moderated the above thread.
Anti-racism is not a passive position, and your silence on these threads that are hijacked by Chinese racist pigs is evidence that as a moderator, you are unlikely to step in when Chinese racist pigs take over and hurl racist insults at minority races.
YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO BE A MODERATOR? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
And don’t think that I get frightened by anyone threatening with the law either; I remain confident that anyone making baseless accusations against me is in for BIG SHOCK indeed after you discover who I am and what I am capable of.
@Robox
i wonder if you celebrate the NEW YEAR the way my friends do.
in any case,do have a HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Looking forward to exchanging ideas with you and hope you find
some good chinese friends along the way.
cheerio!
Robox on Fri, 1st Jan 2010 2:50 am,
robox ah robox, with racist like you, better tr also do grc for moderators.
you are indian, right? which indian are you? india speaks hundreds of languages. she’s got more official languages than any country. you love your gujarati or punjabi or hindi or tamil brothers (in no order of preference)? they love you?
you have serious disorientation about the real world. to have a better world, we better have grc in tr. what say robox?
Robox on Fri, 1st Jan 2010 2:50 am
Oh yes, you are NOT a liar just a snake inside a liar.
If you asked that first question (if all is Chinese) and DID NOT SUMMARILY CONCLUDED THAT THE ENTIRE GROUP WITHOUT EXCEPTION/S are inacapable of neutrality of moderators deserving of your confidence, you would got a snake of burrow to hide your sinister vile accusations against all, including me.
In whatever thread you link, show me when did I post any comment and what comment I have made on Malay education.
I was NOT interested or NOT AVAILABLE to be interested, how do you came to your baseless conclusion of my silence equates to possible bias in your presumption which you prejudged of my non-existent xenophobia right from the beginning and denied initially.
You didn’t used this part expression….give out my email address to this Chinese chauvinist challenger”
YOU IDIOT!!! OR YOU ARE JUST A DOWNRIGHT RACIST LIAR!!
AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I WANT TO BE A MODERATOR EVEN THOUGH I AM INVITED?. Did the DARKNESS OF DEVILISH THOUGHTS residing in your embittered failed soul told you?
IF I WANT TO RULE THE CONTENT BY BIAS PREFERENCE, I WOULD NATURALLY AGREED AND ACCEPTED THE HONOURED INVITATION, right?
DID I? HAVE I? OR HAVE I ANY INTENTION TO ACCEPT??
YOU ATTACKED EVERYBODY in the identified group by your scurrilous racial profiling EVEN THOUGH I (and maybe others) may have been living enriched cosmopolitan lifestyle impervious of racial overtones or undertone in all social setting.
DO WE DON’T WANT TO STINK NEAR YOUR XENOPHOBIC ROTTEN CARCASS?.
THE REST OF US,in so far as my thoughts go, I ASSUMED WITH PRIDE THEY ARE ALL DECENT BEINGS.
I have not seen anyone lampooning them or me for bigotry but your reputation???
AND I DON’T ASSOCIATE ANYONE WITH ANY HINT OF XENOPHOBIC TENDENCY UNTIL I KNOW THEIR ACTUAL BEHAVIOUR in relation to another culture. You displayed yours here very well indeed – no need for my elaboration beyond brevity.
YOU ARE THE ONLY REJECTED ONE FULL OF STENCH OF RACISM.
When you don’t know me and yet tainted me of some racial prejudice, you evident the racism inside you because you cannot see and accept anything beyond and different from your race and colour. YOU STINKS ABSOLUTELY.
I SEE EVERYONE IS THE SAME WHATEVER THEIR RACE AND COLOUR.
Have you ever rent a place from a Russian, shared accomodation with a Mongolian, bought a car from an Ecuadoran, rent your place to a Hungarian? I don’t think so.
You probably can share your burrow with a rat, your reptile kind.
i think robox brings up an important point about racial impartiality, but:
1) the actual race of anyone on the internet is impossible to determine. send scan of I/C ah?
2) you can be any race, and racist toward or against anyone else. just decide based on people’s previous posts – whether they were objective, rational, mature, and as posters they did not have any tendency to bully/rant at other users (this is not directed at anyone in particular).
Here are my two cents on this issue.
Asking “are Chinese racist” is a bit of an old question.The discussion about whether Chinese are racist or not is a never ending one,because a Chinese pride quickly takes over any serious attempt of debate.Race is important to Chinese, that is obvious.The real difference is that in the West and in India they acknowledge that racism exists and are trying to overcome it whereas among Chinese everyone ignores its existence and therefore allows it to reign with impunity. .Han Chinese racism is much worse than racism in the West or India specifically because in Singapore like China the racism is entirely unacknowledged.
Therefore the real test of whether the Chinese people by nature are extremely racist and malicious but they will help cover it up is done when different races live together, anything else is just good intentions.
By the look of name calling by comments here seems to prove to provide prove that Chinese in Singapore are racist.
So lets look at China.
The day when the major Chinese cities have a significant proportion of different races we will see how racist or not they are..But I don’t think it is even possible to obtain Chinese citizenship without the genes. and since there are no queues of people asking to become Chinese,.
So let’s look at China’s minorities.
Their multiculturalism comes from China’s land expansion and not through immigrations. The Chinese have massive immigrations to other countries in the world but they never take any immigrants into their country.Yes, if China have 50 ethnic minority then therefore they have invaded 50 countries in the past which made up China we see today. After China occupy your country, you will have a Chinese Citizenship. It happened to many ‘minorities’ in current China.–Singapore is next.
So lets take a look at the status of minorities in China.
Chinese use “坏人” – to describe Tibetans & Uyghurs for example which simply means“bad people.” Even educated China’s academics who are actively studying inter-ethnic relations in China who are the least overtly racist but still nonetheless speak about Uyghurs and Tibetans in social Darwinist terms about how the party is doing good things for the Uyghurs since they were so “undeveloped” (read: backwards)..they say we give minorities extra points and extra kids and they’re still dirty and dangerous and lazy.” It doesn’t cause the racism but it enhances already existing racism.
Another question you will need to ask about the Chinese is “why does the Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Mongolian, Indian and even Chinese people within China hate Chinese so much?”, My knowledge of East Asian the Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese and Mongolian are related to Chinese and they practice the same cultures as well as having massive Chinese immigrants but they still hate the Chinese .Interestingly in Japan they have an impression that Indians are more smart than Chinese.
It’s not because the Chinese committed so many genocides like the Japanese or Germans to qualify as racist but because Chinese are generally racist against other people.
eventually,there are only TWO KINDS of HUMAN BEINGS.
THE WISE AND THE “FOOLISH”.
So Robox, how would you propose the moderators be selected then?
Honestly, I don’t see race will be an issue here, we can’t determine the forummers race just by their moniker, can we? Probably, I can’t see the potential problems that can arise, but, what’s your proposal?