YPAP member slammed by netizens for revealing critic’s detention record on Facebook
Written by Our Correspondent
The YPAP member who posted the detention record of a critic on Facebook in a bid to demolish his credibility and to shut him up has been lambasted by netizens for doing so.
It was revealed by the Sunday Times unwittingly in its article on the YPAP banning Mr Alex Tan from its Facebook recruitment page for “for indulging in name-calling and vulgarities.”
Mr Tan claimed it was the YPAP members who started the flaming first when they could not cope with his questions.
He wrote on his blog:
“Recently on YPAP facebook forum, one blind PAP supporter is harping on my DB sentence during my NSF days by calling me “alex who was charged with general disobedience”. he is assuming that this “convict” record will smear my credibility and independence as a PAP critic.”
Mr Tan was sentenced to five days in the SAF detention barracks for blogging about the number of Singaporean males who have died while serving NS since 2000.
He still does not think he did anything wrong:
“I was charged because i blogged about NS deaths: a taboo for SAF. the reason why is because I feel for my fellow Singaporeans who died for their country. NS conscription is obsolete yet the fatality rate is so high. apparently some high ranking generals read my post and didn’t digest that post very well.”
Mr Tan’s frankness and courage displaying in challenging the authorities won him much public support and sympathy from netizens, many of whom denounced the YPAP member for resorting to “smear tactics” to attack him.
Some questioned how the YPAP member was able to obtain information about Mr Tan’s detention when it was supposed to be confidential and wondered if there are any legal grounds for Mr Tan to seek redress.
Others applauded Mr Tan for speaking the truth and described him as a “hero” in the making.
Mr Tan had made the headlines earlier for his outspoken views during a YPAP forum which caused some discomfort to the two PAP MPs present.
He was challenged by another participant to leave Singapore if he is so “disenchanted” with the place, a typical phrase used by PAP supporters and apologists to silence their critics.
A YPAP member and a new citizen from India Mr Fredric Fanthome had described anonymous netizens as “hordes” in a posting on the P65 blog.
Ironically, while Mr Tan has revealed his real identity, the YPAP member who posted his personal details online had done so anonymously.
Since the matter has come to be known by the public via the press and caused an outcry in cyberspace, shouldn’t the YPAP member step forward and explain his actions?
How did he manage to get information about Mr Tan’s detention in the army when it is supposed to be confidential? And why did he post it deliberately on the YPAP Facebook when he knew that it may put Mr Tan in a bad light?
It is unbecoming for a member of the Youth Wing of Singapore’s dominant political party to resort to such underhand tactics to cast aspersions on the character of its critic.
As a Hardwarezone forumer jimmyboy007 puts it succinctly:
“Typical!!! cannot handle situation gament will resort to banning or “remove” the irritant. Same style same pattern after so many years never learn to progress.”
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Greatest Asia on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 9:16 am
“Typical!!! cannot handle situation gament will resort to banning or “remove” the irritant. Same style same pattern after so many years never learn to progress.”
Ha ha ha!
狗改不了吃屎! – Can’t stop a dog from eating shit, that’s its habit.
Yup…typical PAP habit.
PeterL on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 9:16 am
No point to argue against the system which is already in place,you can be heard and work towards a change in the net and at forums,Mr. Alex Tan,stay true to yourself and pick an opposition party of your choice which I am sure will welcome you gladly and prepare an onslaught during the forth coming election,the opposition had a Steven once,lets have a Alex this time.
Sinkapore on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 9:35 am
UNLESS his detention was reported in the media, there is no reason whatsoever for that idiotic YPAP to have released that, EVEN IF he has access to that record, be it as it may that the YPAP have servied in the Military Law department of the SAF or even at Detention Barrecks.
This is a serious matter and concerns access to restricted and classified data (regardless of whether he has the authority to access it) which the YPAP should not have been made public, unless by the relevant authorities. If the PaPies can use the law all the time to silence their critics, why not Mr Tan reciprocate with the same?
Mr Tan SHOULD IMMEDIATELY make a police report and let the authorities investigate the issue. Forget about civil actions, it is clearly a criminal issue here. If Mr Tan can be charged for a writing a blog, the YPAP assuming he is from the same camp as Mr Tan (having ‘heard’ of Mr Tan’s sentence) can surely be charged by the SAF for releasing such classified information.
YPAP obviously has connections and pulled strings. Regardless of the outcome, the authorites will have to make their investigation result public and lets see how the PaPies is going to ‘harbour’ a small small YPAP members and twist laws again.
Mr Tan should NOT unduly worry about his DB record, no one in his right state of mind take such records seriously unless he’s intending to end up in the civil service. We all know how trigger happy these military leaders are, DB is nothing and the charges that Mr Tan was charged with is a farce to start with, a complete abuse of power to be exact.
My suggestion to Mr Tan: Visit the Police online and submit a police report or if he wants to ensure that the matter is looked into seriously, submit an official complaint to the AGC, cc a copy to the head of military law SAF, and then post a copy on some forum he frequently visits. MAKE SURE that Mr Tan’s NAME & IC NUMBER is present in the report and this would make it official that the authorities cannot conveniently discard as SPAM or THRASH.
Elfred on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 9:53 am
Sinkapore,
Even MM himself won’t resort to confrontational approach when he was conducting his political moves under the nose of the British…
If YP actually does this, that means some have gone… overboard for such minor issue, which also means will the police side with you?
Confrontational approach, such as Dr Chee’s, would only be effective during the final stage of chaos in brew… when the people are prepared (hungry enough, bullied enough) to rise for the occassion. By then a whole slew of such negative records would already be there. Then with anger and bitterness, even LDP with majority seats will be overthrown overnight.
When the incumbent is still strong, it’s best to let the fixings go on (into records) and do what MM did. There is no need to throw an egg when the British were slamming themselves with rocks.
I do not recommend calling in the police. It’s adding legs to snake drawn. It is rumored that Mr Danabalan left PAP because of ideological difference with Cold Storage… Every such action or any nosense will result in definite losses.
Which has been why I always recommend myself to talk nosense, sit on the fence… because Singapore is really that small, one small thing can spread to the entire state, and 1 person lost is 1 person lost in a tiny place.
When you are losing all the good people, in order to make up the number, an organisation will necessarily pull in the not-so-good people. It’s… actually anti-matter.
Which is why throughout my time in YP and now, inactive grassroot component since I started as a grassroot lah, I have NEVER suggested fixings, and if I can, I always suggested ’saving’.
I mean, you fix Alex Tan… what do you get? What will his friends or peers and family members think of PAP? Simple to kill, very very hard to revive. Only happy people won’t revolt, not those who are not hungry. This is something PAP doesn’t seem to understand.
They thought people made rich they won’t revolt… Well… Firstly, rich people have the resources to revolt, to even sponsor Elfred in the end. Secondly, you really can’t make 51% of the people rich… Because all you need is 10% of the rich to rack havoc and bully the 90% who are not so rich, 20% will hate you to the core, anouther 30% will be ready to rise against you. And 40% will be watching…
See? Governing is so simple, but so hard.
lee hsien tau on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 10:23 am
Come come Elfred,
You know your MM well enough.
Does he not use such tactics at every election?
I donch know about his early history with the British, but, his record since is quite clear.
The Old Fart is a bastard. Not surprising to have his YPAP using the same technique.
If I was standing against him, it wouldn’t surprise me if he were to drag my detection record out for all to see.
General disobedience is nothing compared to mine.
Disobeying a ‘legitimate’ order was my sentence. And twice some more. A third added for AWOL.
Big deal.
Do you see why I disagree with your disdain for “Confrontational approach, such as Dr Chee’s”?
It’s nothing to do with when the approach is applicable.
It’s just because the place is so small. There’s no place to establish a stronghold to ferment dissent.
You think Nelson Mandela or Charles Taylor or any other revolutionary only started when there was general dissatisfaction or hunger?
Dictatorship intolerance begins with perceived injustice.
Water margin was a congregation of dissatisfied souls.
Born Loser on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 10:27 am
The typical response of the PAP to its critics is “if you don’t like it, why don’t you leave the country?” Then aren’t you surprised that many Singaporeans, both young and old, are heeding the advice and leaving the country in droves? Conversely the message could also be read “if you like it, shut up and sit down”. Acceptance and silence is a requirement for continued residency. Criticism will result in exclusion and boot lickers will be well rewarded. Aren’t you also surprised that Singaporeans become fearful and afraid of speaking up and expressing their opinions?
This is no way to create a vibrant and involved society. Openness to criticism is essential to well balanced decision making. Nobody, not even LKY, has a monopoly on wisdom or is right all the time. Over time there is no such thing as the right decision. You might be right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons. What matters is continuous adjustments, review and realignment to provide for changes in the external environment. What also matters is the ability to admit that you are wrong and to correct it. History has shown that those who ignore their mistakes are bound to repeat them. The worst thing one can do is say with false bravado “I have no regrets, if I am faced with the same situation, I will do it again”. Famous last words from LKY’s daughter-in-law. Mark my words, she will repeat her mistakes again.
Elfred on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 11:45 am
Hsien Tau,
You have to understand very simply this…
Don’t do things which don’t produce any… unless of course, your mother dies or father dies… Rationally speaking, my suffering is no less than people can understand during NS, but NEVER had I tried to AWOL, NEVER have I succumbed to smoking and drinking… Since the world has gone into a chaos with PAP stepping into the pub, elements as myself have to deal with a very very hostile environment.
I am still experiencing cock-ups and unreasonable accusations during reservist… I almost end up a defaulter for RT, you know… because somehow the ‘right record’ became wrong… and I could be responsible if I don’t have the doc, all BECAUSE of their cock-ups.
But as far as possible, why try to AWOL? Why go banging the camp’s door and protest?
You remember Mdm Alice asking MM Lee to take on the civil service in an old case? As far as I am concern, I’d ENDURE as best as possible… even my wife was accused for stealing when she won’t even steal from me… Even I have to be terminated from teaching… and WDA was reportedly keeping my status from PMO.
All these years… from NS to now, I never joined a protest at Speaker’s Corner, I stick to neutral grounds. I could save Singapore from those crisis, but even if I am not allowed to, I sit on the fence… as best as possible, until people break the status quo. Even for my retirement, I did that ‘properly’ and justified.
I am just telling you, Hsien Tau. There is Suu Kyi, there is Mandala, but there is also Lee Kuan Yew. Lee Kuan Yew under the Japanese, Lee Kuan Yew under the British…
What tactics?
You observed all those tactics of Zhuge Liang… When the time isn’t here, you can make Wei miserable… but all those tactics can’t overcome an idiot in power– Liu Chan. Without Zhuge, Shu was done for. Tactics…
What tactics had the MM? The time came, he made the decision to lead, he became the PM. He decided Labor Front’s chief was friendly, they served Singapore together. As when the time shalt come, the right decision will decide the right path, as the right men will decide the right path.
Legitimate or not… Once you walk out of Singapore, once you are in heaven and look down upon it, the rules are always simple… Sin, and go to hell. Built, and the ladder is there to heaven.
Don’t be ‘confrontational’ just for the sake of it. It’s the same, don’t try to fix just for the feel of it. If LDP can crush, any party can. Trust me. Pets can become pests, and vice versa.
jiangbao on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 4:18 pm
*You observed all those tactics of Zhuge Liang… When the time isn’t here, you can make Wei miserable… but all those tactics can’t overcome an idiot in power– Liu Chan. Without Zhuge, Shu was done for. Tactics…*
really Liu Chan was not all that bad in history. ZGL attacks actually weaken shu and Jiang Wei made it even weaker. One state of Shu can never beat Wei economically. The closest they got was Guan Yu invasion from Jing… Also Wei was far from miserable, they knew ZGL was a master in ambush so they stick to defense.
BTW what has ZGL has to do with the PAP..????
Chin Tu Lang on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 4:55 pm
Character assassination is common among Papies. This is expected. Alex should not be bothered with such cheap trick put up by YPAP.
Alex please continue to speak up for the lesser mortal.
Shame on you YPAP !
lee hsien tau on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 4:57 pm
jiangbao,
Simple, my simple friend.
He’s talking timing.
If the timing is right, even a corpse can win an election.
If the timing is not right, cry father cry mother also no use.
That’s what he meant by the ‘winning formula’.
Do you see a walking corpse win this coming erection?
x on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 5:12 pm
And they told us they were “opening up”.
citizenofSG on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 5:27 pm
@jiangbao – Elfred considers himself not a good leader and never aspire as one. He wants his baby to be the next prime minister and then he himself to be the advisor. He is also waiting for the next up and coming leader to go and beg him to be the his advisor. He thinks he is ZGL.
Come on Elfred, have back bone and stand up. If sitting on the fence is what you reckon is the best strategy then you continue to sit and don’t stop the world from turning.
Great leaders are emotional creatures and they move people because they can understand feeling. ZGL and the like of him are nothing but tricksters who themselves do not have the quality to be leader. So please don’t discourage any future leaders from coming out to take their place with your useless rhetoric and at most you and I are the same – we are nothing better than a coward.
Let us crawl out of our shell and fight for what is right and die with honor rather than waste our life. If others are willing to die for us, so can we. This kind of logic, guess you will never understand because you think they are stupid logic.
LKY risks it all to bring this nation what it is and not because he is a trickster as you think. There are risks in wanting to change, those who take the risk will win or lose the day, they are not to be belittle by small people like us who only know how to play safe.
lee hsien tau on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 6:19 pm
Zhuge KongMing a trickster?
Now I’ve heard it all…..
Elfred on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 7:33 pm
CitizenofSG,
Nosense, I never said MM is a trickster. Hahahahahahaha… It’s ok, I have my regular communication with PMO just for all these nosense.
What it is, just go and stand out there for all you want.
As for MM, he should know very well.
Whether I am a trickster or not, it doesn’t matter. Hahahahahahahahahaha… The quality of a leader… has been already quite clear to his honorable self all these years. Whether he confesses or not, the one who can clean up the mess will clean up the mess. The one who can’t clean up the mess, will make it messier for me to eventually clean up the mess.
Whether I am a leader-quality or not, it’d depend on who becomes the king. Cao Cao labelled Zhuge himself, if you wanna talk about him, as a useless farmer or villager in earlier encounters, then he feared this guy. Hahahahahahahahahaha…
See? No matter what this ‘trickster’ is saying here… Eventually, becoming a New Father of Singapore would require more than a few tricks. But first, I must have that sort of PM…
As for my baby, I’d teach him as much as his father would… how much he can learn would be depending on his potential. Hahahahahahahahahahaha…
JiangBao,
No no no, Zhuge’s attack were very conservative. You see, for a tiny Shu, his invasions were very ‘quantity controlled’. He invaded at the best opportunities with the least casualties and when Shu has enough to sustain the war.
Jiang Wei… he tried to follow Zhuge, and got Shu weakened, then the defence set up by Zhuge were mostly down.
Liu Chan is the idiot… He listened to military and economic advices… from voodoos and an idiotic smart-alec eununch. He of course was a ‘good man’. He was so good that Shu was lost… His father’s efforts gone down the drain, and when Sima became rulers… many many many people died… during PEACE time.
What has it to do with PAP? Hahahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahahaha…
Yawnz…
Elfred on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 7:39 pm
Hsien Tau,
Yes. Timing is all important. Especially when so many idiots and god-sents and pretenders are all after one piece of meat.
The infamous Rajaretnam already said:
‘At the right time you do the right thing, you will succeed’.
CitizenofSG, is this ‘trickster’ not right? Hahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahaha…
Simple trick from one Father of Singapore. What I am saying is this, now people or even MM may think Elfred is not the leader-quality…
But when the mess reaches new height… then we’d know who are the real leaders. In any case, whoever will be the next PM will need a very good hand… unless he wants to end up as stuck as the current PM. He doesn’t have much choice… because in his time, things will get much tougher.
citizenofSG on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 9:49 pm
@Elfred – Kong Ming is an idiot at the very end because he does not have the guts to be king. Abiding time all his life, he was unable to accomplish his life mission and for that he lost the most important thing.
When time is not right the great man can make it right. If Obama has to wait till he has stature of the Clinton, he probably will not be president of America today. For not much known, he rise up to be very known. Someone who is black, he is not time yet, but he turns the tide and change the time to start his change movement. Change starts now, not sometime yet.
A true leader can listen to the heart beat of the people and feel their need. Not one who play just by the time and think like a chess player and treat things like a game. You at best can give advise to people and be a shadow man.
Wake up and stand up for your people, if you ever consider them as your people and heed to your people need and not wait to be call upon when the need is on. To lead you must be in front and not behind otherwise how can you ever lead. At best you can consider yourself a follower and nothing more.
ronin on Mon, 14th Dec 2009 11:30 pm
The burning question is how in hell did that YPAP member obtain Mr Tan’s detention record????
Is SAF under YPAP???
Is it legal or ethical for SAF to reveal such info??
CK on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 1:32 am
The lighting gang definitely had progressed. Last time only the Numero Uno can use this trick, now everyone start using it. Taiwan had progressed, Japan had progressed. Only we ; who are still living in our ever affordable “pigeon hole” commute in a world class but never punctual transport system; protected by the over-worked and porous home team, care for by a team of mistake prone caregiver, governed by the world highest paid white horses (which is used to identify who need extra attention / No it does not exist) in a small island that are blessed with freaky storm once in 50 years; has not make progress at all.
I better stop visiting TR else my extra duties records, my IPPT result and how many times I dig my nose will be published
lee hsien tau on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 2:08 am
ronin,
Have you ever known LKY and PAP to be ethical?
Whose side do you think the civil service, police and armed forces to be on? The Courts, Law Society, HDB, transport, telecom, power & utilities companies?
I would be proud of having a general disobedience record with the SAF.
Hahahahahahahaha….
Don’t let them blemish you that way. No problem. Let them try all their underhand methods.
Alex Tan Go get a life on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 8:21 am
Alex tan can post in blog about NS matters. cannot imagine his integrity and level of confidentiality..
Alex Tan Go get a life on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 8:22 am
Report to police?
then should the YPAP members who receive death threats from him also file a police report?
Get Real on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 8:33 am
Alex Tan Go get a life on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 8:21 am
Do you mean embarasing (already) public information is CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION NEEDING SOME FICTION OF INTEGRITY OF CONCEALMENT FROM PUBLIC DISCUSSION?
Get real.
Angry SG on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 9:02 am
Alex Tan should file a police report regarding this scandalous leak of confidential information.
If our SAF cannot safeguard info like this, can they protect military secrets? If we have spies working undercover in other countries, they must be si beh worried their identities will be exposed.
Furthermore, Alex Tan should sue. Maybe he can get $400,000 compensation.
Elfred on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 11:06 am
CitizenofSG,
Kong Ming’s problem is not guts, he just wanted to leave a good name for himself. Great men thinks alike… Just Sun Yat Sen, he just wanted to do good, it’s like a mission. This ‘gutless’ Kong Ming joined Liu when Liu had NOTHING much but dangers. This gutless Kong Ming joined Liu Bei when he would be challenged by Guan Yu and Zhang Fei for his abilities. This gutless Kong Ming was the one who gave Cao Wei the fright times and again with a tiny Shu times and again.
Some people are not meant to lead. I am not really one of those leader-leaders, I am one of those advisor-leaders. Which is, the main political fight is the world against my team-mate who will be the leader while I concentrate on what I’d do best.
I cannot stand up for anyone with powers… See? Which is the more or less stuck part for advisors. For instance, you got an idiot in power, you won’t even go anywhere. If you got a smart-alec in power, you may be a minister, but what’s the use? Zhuge’s story showed: Liu Bei the smartalec kena-ed when he thought he was as good as Zhuge… Then Zhuge encountered an idiot…
But if without Liu Bei needing him, given Cao Cao’s fixings when he was young, he probably couldn’t be who he was, because Sun might take him in, but Sun is extremely snobbish, and Zhou Yu would destroy him with office politics and Wei will still overcome Wu in the end.
History… the gods have a game.
We must know who we are, then we’d have a game. You look at Dr Chee, he literally ‘rebelled’ to the extreme all those years… Yet the people won’t vote for him. Was that fear of the people who also voted for Liu and Chiam?
When I was in YP… some people thought I wanna fight to replace who and who or maybe I wanna be MP. It’s like telling Elfred to build casinos in the most dangerous of time and stake myself on it. Do you think I am crazy? The reason why I am probably the ONLY one in Singapore to reject Casinos based on economic reasons is very simple, I am you people.
What’s the hurry? Do the people themselves want to be rescued in the first place? All I see are people in the face of hardship take their children to die, or leave their families to die, and then one gone gila and attacked MP without considering how to escape proper… And another who almost punched an MP. These are the people… Clueless, confused, and still waking up to the pain.
Belated Ong Teng Cheong was removed from the scene, so my platform to do anything was removed by the will of heaven. Probably because of what we are experiencing now.
Zhuge didn’t replace Liu Chan not because he has no guts… While on the hindsight he should, but how will history judge him if he failed? And Zhuge is not a Han Liu… On what basis would he command the regime which motive was to restore Han? He was… clearly choosing a normal choice. And when he died, he only had a little land and some trees for his decendents, and those decendents avoided Japanese invasions because of Zhuge’s set up.
Look at me, do I sound like an impulsive idiot all for nothing?
Without a leader of equal capability, it’s very hard to power my full potential for me to shine. That’s why extreme elements as myself all across history waited for the one, even through mockeries and fixings. We know what we need.
In fact, many PAP issues… I have in advance done my part, warned, explained and hinted. So…
Stand up for the people… they must first be prepared to stand up for themselves. Otherwise, you’d find yourself standing up alone and facing the machine guns.
Everything must wait… I know how you people think. 愿者上钩 is not without reason. When someone is sincere and willing to turn things around, he’d come prepared for all the elements he/she needs. Any PM, PAP or oppositions, to thrive will always need the right arms. MM couldn’t have made such a name for himself merely by Cold Storing everyone… People remembered affordable housings, clean environment, low corruption, the care, the start of MPS, and so on… They were all parts and parcels of MM’s lieutenants.
Which was why I had ‘warned’ on PM’s first election… You got the first footing wrong, you’d be very hard to un-stuck. What is a PM?
It’s a leader where his leaders work. So the first test and task for any leader-leader is the ability to spot who are his wings and who the lice, which will in turn decide political future of the regime.
CitizenofSG, a true leader cannot save everyone… Just 萧何, everyone fled, but he alone only go chase back 韩信. See? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Now you should realise why the oppositions have not been making any headways these years. Pardon my bluntness, who are the ‘true leaders’ among the oppositions?
And do you really think Elfred doesn’t know what the people’s ‘hearts’ are singing? Do you really think the cabinet doesn’t hear those voices?
Basically, if Singapore is not meant to be crushed… then I’d definitely be a minister, and there must be this leader or PM who is ready, and I’d have all the free-hands to start my cleaning. Until then, it’d be up to the situation. Sometimes the best scenario is disturbed by ignorance…
The situation is getting ripe, I have forecasted this at least since 20 over years ago… yes, when I was a child.
I’d give Singaporeans a life, the food, the roof, the transports, the family union, justice, and low health cost, and a much better SAF, and the economy, the education, the right labor policies… and last but not least, the New Father of Singapore who have cleaned up the whole pile of mess.
If anyone think he or she can do a better job, feel free to go ahead. See? Which is why I don’t mind waiting. I don’t mind people attack me on my back. Because what I’d give Singaporeans, NO ONE ELSE can.
First, can any of the others even MAKE SENSE? Hahahahahahahahaha…
Hahahahahahahahaha…
A true leader is because of his followers. How can I go without a proper career for so long? How can my people go without happiness and I am a true leader? Re-define ‘true leader’, my dear.
Brendan on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 2:03 pm
Well, I have ONE great suggestion. Write to the webmasters/administrators of facebook and tell them that CLASSFIED information was published by the YPAP member. Quote the Official Secrets Act (a link is available on the internet)
At best they can do is shut down his account. Although they are not required to as it is not within our judisriction, as a matter of integrity they should feel obligated.
Lobby your facebook supporters to do the same. I will definitely be one of them.
xtrocious on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 3:00 pm
Just an aside here…
The YPAP poster could have been a fellow NS conscript that knew of Alex being in DB because they were in the same camp, platoon etc…
If so, then there may not be any grounds for a leak of confidential information…
3rd Class citizen on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 7:56 pm
官家可以放火，百姓豈可點燈？
狗改不了吃屎的習慣! – Can’t stop a dog from eating shit, that’s its habit
Lehman Brothers on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 8:33 pm
@citizenofSG
Aiya, Elfred isn’t interested in the people lah. He just wants to be the next Goh Keng Swee, save for the latter’s diminished presence in our history books and so on. He brought up Zhuge Liang because Liu Bei is analogous to our old man, and Liu Chan to the old man’s son. Elfred is looking for his own Liu Bei after Ong Teng Cheong’s unfortunate demise.
xl on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 9:09 pm
Question is how did he know that Alex Tan was in DB before?
I suspect that someone is tracking down the identity of the critics.
lee hsien tau on Tue, 15th Dec 2009 10:54 pm
Lehman Brothers,
So Elfred is in the OTC camp? Cast adrift by his death?
What’s the story on Goh Keng Swee?
Elfred on Wed, 16th Dec 2009 9:24 am
Lehmen Brothers,
Camp camp camp, all you people think is camp, factions, sides, and such… I never did get the chance to join Ong Teng Cheong’s, who would be the most reliable platform to insert me into the system and modify it before situation… has come to this.
As the Casinos issue has shown glaringly, people can make all sorts of noises, but a wrong decision will always be made by fools in any sides. See?
The only way to change anything is to obtain the power, then either inserting the new CPU into the system or the system corrupts itself into redundancy and got replaced with the new CPU, otherwise… this tiny boat will not float.
Greece is now making the news over its ridiculous debt problems after Dubai. Actually, many states who have gone for IMF’s gold pot would be depleting cash pretty soon. Hahahahahahaha…
If I have already successfully stepped in, Singapore may not have crushed like that… and we’d have capitalised on global idiocracy and stand stronger than ever. But… … Heaven seems to want some fun. Obviously, the Old Father couldn’t do anything about them… And the only one who handle is now sitting on the fence… then we have Richard Tan telling us, that public and private properties thingy difference… Hahahahahahahahaha…
Fine. Just watch on.
Hopefully, this PM introduces the right PM-to-be, then maybe there is a hope for Elfred to insert itself. Otherwise, about by then… I’d already be away from Singapore. And you people can go on screaming as all the trading partners are stuck with a huge financial chain bombs blowing up, and it’d not be just Somali pirates people will be bothered about.
Look at Indonesia… plenty of places to set up piracy… large scale. And so… The mess is there, my destined job is always there. It’s only whether there is a channel. Don’t have, then run.
Elfred on Wed, 16th Dec 2009 9:28 am
CitizenofSG,
Note Obama’s support rating is heading below 50%…
PMO knows I expect this, and WHY.
Nothing could be changed, Obama had his choice.
I don’t get my ‘business’. Hahahahahahahahahahaha… Nothing lost since I never had.
Lehman Brothers on Wed, 16th Dec 2009 5:19 pm
Lol Elfred, I know where you stand in all the chaos. You’re only interested to help if and only if you find a Liu Bei with whom you can be a Zhuge Liang. And if you do, I have no doubt that it would be, above all else, a political/business relationship rather than anything else. If that’s the Elfredian definition of greatness, then so be it.
Elfred is, after all, a citizen of the world and not a citizen of Singapore. I on the other hand consider Singapore my home, and I will be here come rain or shine. Regardless of whether or not the next Liu Bei (if he does come that is) chooses you, I am confident that there will be a Zhuge Liang to lead Singapore, whether or not you choose to step in.
lee hsien tau on Thu, 17th Dec 2009 2:29 am
Lehman Brothers,
Zhuge KongMing wasn’t waiting for Liu Bei.
Liu Bei had to go visit him 3 times.
But what’s the story with Goh Keng Swee?
Elfred on Fri, 18th Dec 2009 2:08 am
Lehman Brothers,
Hahahahahahaha… We have to follow the ‘rules’ of heaven to proceed. Without the suitable platform, we can’t make the jump.
What can I do is necessary to for the team to stay in power… First, we need to float the boat back up. Then we need to sail it to the right course. Then whether people call us whatever, that’s up to them.
You can still mock at us by then, but history will narrate ‘What if there has been no Elfredinario the alien gust of fart’…
In the real world now, first of all, we’d have to handle all those unnecessary trivials, such as reservist cock-ups or set-ups.
Without the right platform, might as well die without doing anything. It is very obvious I know the steps of this three-phases crisis, and it is obvious I cannot step in, and I shan’t step in.
If you consider Singapore your home, you never really understand what this ‘home’ is all about. Singapore is NEVER just Singapore. Something breaks in this globe, it’d get hit. Which is why MM has been active globally… The more active and appreciated he is, the more relevant Singapore would be.
When I become the minister, equally my abilities to handle the globe will be tested. Obama will need help, China will need help, Mark Ma will need help… Though by the time I become the minister… Hahahahahahahahahaha…
Obama would oredi be helpless, China… since it is so good, it can help itself. Mark Ma… After observing a while, it’d be too dangerous to aid him. He’s so blur… Me helping him will risk my life. The ONLY chap who can help China now is Elfredinario… the trickster. But unless Hu or Wen makes an OFFICIAL request via PMO, and with a bounty of S$1 billion…
Never mind. History will tell you want will happen to China next. I have no more interest to play good samaritan. I am a state doctor, I demand utmost respect other than the bounty.
Whatever.
Scott Kohlhaas on Fri, 18th Dec 2009 3:43 pm
The idea of conscription in Singapore makes me sick.
Please visit http://www.draftresistance.org for more info on conscription.