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		<title>By: Hazel Poa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazel Poa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a discussion forum organised by the Reform party this saturday 5 Dec, of which minimum wage is one of the items for discussion.  Interested parties are warmly invited to come share your views.  More details in the Reform Party&#039;s Facebook account, where you can register for the event, or email tonytanlt@yahoo.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a discussion forum organised by the Reform party this saturday 5 Dec, of which minimum wage is one of the items for discussion.  Interested parties are warmly invited to come share your views.  More details in the Reform Party&#8217;s Facebook account, where you can register for the event, or email <a href="mailto:tonytanlt@yahoo.com">tonytanlt@yahoo.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lehman Brothers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lehman Brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referring to the actual minimum wage, but didn&#039;t remember the exact figure except that it was between 10 and 20. I stand corrected then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to the actual minimum wage, but didn&#8217;t remember the exact figure except that it was between 10 and 20. I stand corrected then.</p>
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		<title>By: nomishog</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomishog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current min wage in Aus is $14.31 per hour, doesn&#039;t matter which state you&#039;re in.

Lehman Bros, I think you are referring to the Award rate of $35 for tradesman, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current min wage in Aus is $14.31 per hour, doesn&#8217;t matter which state you&#8217;re in.</p>
<p>Lehman Bros, I think you are referring to the Award rate of $35 for tradesman, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: contrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Damon&#039;s point that 90% of countries have minimum wage, it is not difficult to put one in place. On closer examination, a minimum wage can be some really low figure that most workers earning that will really be close to broke anyway. 
e.g. USA&#039;s US$5.15 an hour (has increased since a few years ago), Vietnam&#039;s 650,000 dong a month (about US$40). 
Check for yourself what the minimum wage is in many other Asian countries and compare it to the GDP or household income and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Damon&#8217;s point that 90% of countries have minimum wage, it is not difficult to put one in place. On closer examination, a minimum wage can be some really low figure that most workers earning that will really be close to broke anyway.<br />
e.g. USA&#8217;s US$5.15 an hour (has increased since a few years ago), Vietnam&#8217;s 650,000 dong a month (about US$40).<br />
Check for yourself what the minimum wage is in many other Asian countries and compare it to the GDP or household income and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lehman Brothers on Sat, 28th Nov 2009 11:48 am

Thank you very much for your information confirmation.</description>
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<p>Thank you very much for your information confirmation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lehman Brothers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lehman Brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, most of your points are correct. there are minimum wages in Australia. It&#039;s around A$16.50 per hour in my state if I remember correctly. It is also true that there has been little evidence of an adverse impact on unemployment in the long run. All that happened was that firms were forced to use labour hours more efficiently, or in some cases, close shop earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, most of your points are correct. there are minimum wages in Australia. It&#8217;s around A$16.50 per hour in my state if I remember correctly. It is also true that there has been little evidence of an adverse impact on unemployment in the long run. All that happened was that firms were forced to use labour hours more efficiently, or in some cases, close shop earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lehman Brothers on Fri, 27th Nov 2009 9:39 pm 

Just to update me, Lehman Brothers since you are in Australia now. 

I thought that there IS MINIMUM WAGES in Australia (for over 18 years of age) except for non-adults or those in skilled trade apprenticeship graduated pay scheme.

I recall that former Aussie PM, John Howard, tried abolishing over time pay, minimum wages  etc by introducing enterprise bargain and elimination of unfair dismissal law called the &quot;Work Choices&quot; reform as recommended of labour market reform preached by the stupid IMF. 

But the electorate won&#039;t bite. After the Haneef affair, and lots of stumbles evidencing a government tired of fresh ideas and solution, the seemingly every popular John Howard was buried under a rubble of a landslide election defeat in 2007. The Liberal-National Country  Party was shattered and in this week locked in crisis over ETS revolt against Malcolm Turnbull.

From history, the mninimum wage in Australia has NO ADVERSE IMPACT on local employment which one poster here suggest would bring in an influx of foreign workers displacing locals.

That argument is FALSE PROPHETS of &quot;priesthood&quot; lies akin long-held practice of not asking and not telling of history of pedophile sins within religious order. 

The reasons are obvious 

- Australian does not let in the quality of ZYY or lesser materials of kind in its migration imports

- best of all, Singapore can apply minimum wages ONLY for Singaporeans, foreigners excluded because NTUC need NOT represent foreign workers. Only Singaporean workers can join NTUC but local labour laws apply to all in relation to employees rights. Already foreigners has lower CPF rates than Singaporeans, SO WHY IS IT NOT WITHIN LEGAL PRECEPTS TO EXCLUDE FOREIGNERS AND PR FROM MINIMUM WAGE LAWS? 

-And if PR meets required standard of approved migration, the minimum wage would be way below their earning power in any case.

The whole migration and immigration floodgates opened without careful screening brought us an BASOLUTE MESS, including bringing many of those capable of doubtful and criminal tendencies. You know that countries like Australia require foreign PR to meet the character test of no criminal records in their home countries and also once landed and living in Australia cannot fail the &quot;character tests&quot; and if convicted of crime face real prospect of deportation. SINGAPORE HAS MORE LENIENT LAW APPLICTION FOR FOREIGNER IT SEEMS TO BE FREQUENTLY NOTED BY POSTERS ON THE NET.

It is a failure of Government&#039;s social,political and economic agenda that needs to be thoroughly rework through. But who is looking and admit layers and layers of  public policy incomptencies when election is waiting on the horizon???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lehman Brothers on Fri, 27th Nov 2009 9:39 pm </p>
<p>Just to update me, Lehman Brothers since you are in Australia now. </p>
<p>I thought that there IS MINIMUM WAGES in Australia (for over 18 years of age) except for non-adults or those in skilled trade apprenticeship graduated pay scheme.</p>
<p>I recall that former Aussie PM, John Howard, tried abolishing over time pay, minimum wages  etc by introducing enterprise bargain and elimination of unfair dismissal law called the &#8220;Work Choices&#8221; reform as recommended of labour market reform preached by the stupid IMF. </p>
<p>But the electorate won&#8217;t bite. After the Haneef affair, and lots of stumbles evidencing a government tired of fresh ideas and solution, the seemingly every popular John Howard was buried under a rubble of a landslide election defeat in 2007. The Liberal-National Country  Party was shattered and in this week locked in crisis over ETS revolt against Malcolm Turnbull.</p>
<p>From history, the mninimum wage in Australia has NO ADVERSE IMPACT on local employment which one poster here suggest would bring in an influx of foreign workers displacing locals.</p>
<p>That argument is FALSE PROPHETS of &#8220;priesthood&#8221; lies akin long-held practice of not asking and not telling of history of pedophile sins within religious order. </p>
<p>The reasons are obvious </p>
<p>- Australian does not let in the quality of ZYY or lesser materials of kind in its migration imports</p>
<p>- best of all, Singapore can apply minimum wages ONLY for Singaporeans, foreigners excluded because NTUC need NOT represent foreign workers. Only Singaporean workers can join NTUC but local labour laws apply to all in relation to employees rights. Already foreigners has lower CPF rates than Singaporeans, SO WHY IS IT NOT WITHIN LEGAL PRECEPTS TO EXCLUDE FOREIGNERS AND PR FROM MINIMUM WAGE LAWS? </p>
<p>-And if PR meets required standard of approved migration, the minimum wage would be way below their earning power in any case.</p>
<p>The whole migration and immigration floodgates opened without careful screening brought us an BASOLUTE MESS, including bringing many of those capable of doubtful and criminal tendencies. You know that countries like Australia require foreign PR to meet the character test of no criminal records in their home countries and also once landed and living in Australia cannot fail the &#8220;character tests&#8221; and if convicted of crime face real prospect of deportation. SINGAPORE HAS MORE LENIENT LAW APPLICTION FOR FOREIGNER IT SEEMS TO BE FREQUENTLY NOTED BY POSTERS ON THE NET.</p>
<p>It is a failure of Government&#8217;s social,political and economic agenda that needs to be thoroughly rework through. But who is looking and admit layers and layers of  public policy incomptencies when election is waiting on the horizon???</p>
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		<title>By: Italian Big Sausage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Italian Big Sausage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Industrialization, commercialization, economic progress means nothing to me if the human touch is missing. If the respect for human dignity is missing. 

F1 or F9?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Industrialization, commercialization, economic progress means nothing to me if the human touch is missing. If the respect for human dignity is missing. </p>
<p>F1 or F9?</p>
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		<title>By: Gosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know how the gov harps on about singaporeans shunning certain jobs? Although I believe that&#039;s all a load of bull, if it were true and there are some jobs singaporeans shun, minimum wage would have solved that problem eons ago.

I live in Victoria, Australia. Our garbage men are locals, road works men are locals, builders,plumbers, electricians, mechanics, tradesmen in general are mostly locals. Yup ANG MOHS! 

How come? Minimum wage. Not only is minimum wage good for your overall lifestyle, it presents a sense of DIGNITY, something absent in most Singapore workers minds. Everyone gainfully employed in this country, regardless of the job they do, is proud that they are working.

Simply because it&#039;s that much easier to make ends meet when you&#039;ve got a job. A school kid working in Macdonald&#039;s earns an average wage of $15 an hour, minus tax that&#039;s $10 in his pocket. That&#039;s $7 an hour more then what I was earning in Singapore at Maccas when I was a kid and $5 an hour more than I was earning in Singapore in my last job before packing up and leaving. 

I&#039;m no high flyer now either, I don&#039;t hold a degree. I&#039;m just a lowly tradesman. But for my experience and qualification, minimum wage dictates my hourly wage at $35 an hour. Maybe for some lawyer or doctor or minister mentor that&#039;s not much but for a guy from a below average singaporean background, it&#039;s amazing. 

My fellow Singaporeans, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES. SINGAPORE COULD&#039;VE BEEN A PARADISE FOR EACH AND EVERYONE OF US - If only people like my parents give up the notion that LKY is the father of Singapore. In my opinion he&#039;s the undertaker. My decision to get out was the one proper decision I ever made. 

I never got the chance to vote - walkover. It&#039;s in your hands, you have a right to lead a dignified, comfortable life. If not for you, think of your kids. Vote for change, or pack up and leave if at all possible.

Singapore should never have let immigrant workers in for the continued well being of their ruling elite. Things could&#039;ve been fixed long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know how the gov harps on about singaporeans shunning certain jobs? Although I believe that&#8217;s all a load of bull, if it were true and there are some jobs singaporeans shun, minimum wage would have solved that problem eons ago.</p>
<p>I live in Victoria, Australia. Our garbage men are locals, road works men are locals, builders,plumbers, electricians, mechanics, tradesmen in general are mostly locals. Yup ANG MOHS! </p>
<p>How come? Minimum wage. Not only is minimum wage good for your overall lifestyle, it presents a sense of DIGNITY, something absent in most Singapore workers minds. Everyone gainfully employed in this country, regardless of the job they do, is proud that they are working.</p>
<p>Simply because it&#8217;s that much easier to make ends meet when you&#8217;ve got a job. A school kid working in Macdonald&#8217;s earns an average wage of $15 an hour, minus tax that&#8217;s $10 in his pocket. That&#8217;s $7 an hour more then what I was earning in Singapore at Maccas when I was a kid and $5 an hour more than I was earning in Singapore in my last job before packing up and leaving. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no high flyer now either, I don&#8217;t hold a degree. I&#8217;m just a lowly tradesman. But for my experience and qualification, minimum wage dictates my hourly wage at $35 an hour. Maybe for some lawyer or doctor or minister mentor that&#8217;s not much but for a guy from a below average singaporean background, it&#8217;s amazing. </p>
<p>My fellow Singaporeans, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES. SINGAPORE COULD&#8217;VE BEEN A PARADISE FOR EACH AND EVERYONE OF US &#8211; If only people like my parents give up the notion that LKY is the father of Singapore. In my opinion he&#8217;s the undertaker. My decision to get out was the one proper decision I ever made. </p>
<p>I never got the chance to vote &#8211; walkover. It&#8217;s in your hands, you have a right to lead a dignified, comfortable life. If not for you, think of your kids. Vote for change, or pack up and leave if at all possible.</p>
<p>Singapore should never have let immigrant workers in for the continued well being of their ruling elite. Things could&#8217;ve been fixed long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Karma Went on Exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karma Went on Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a commonsense that there should be minimum wage to protect workers.

The real question to ask is WHY is there no such thing?

Minimum wage is not to make employers pay more or spend more on labor. Its a salary to give dignity to the lowest paid labor in the country. Its to prevent abuse of workers by offering as-low-as-employer-like salaries. If all employers do this, there is no company left for such workers to go to for a more decent salary. If there is min wage, this can be stopped.

Min wage is still the min wage and not about paying the lowest paid worker MORE than they deserve.

I am all for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a commonsense that there should be minimum wage to protect workers.</p>
<p>The real question to ask is WHY is there no such thing?</p>
<p>Minimum wage is not to make employers pay more or spend more on labor. Its a salary to give dignity to the lowest paid labor in the country. Its to prevent abuse of workers by offering as-low-as-employer-like salaries. If all employers do this, there is no company left for such workers to go to for a more decent salary. If there is min wage, this can be stopped.</p>
<p>Min wage is still the min wage and not about paying the lowest paid worker MORE than they deserve.</p>
<p>I am all for change.</p>
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