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		<title>By: Sinkapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinkapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>admin

Why bother to even reply when all he is doingis to play like a broken old record.

He is challenging you to delete his post, why not obliged him? We all know who he is and what&#039;s his agenda.

His sole purpose here is to spite TR, why bother to even approve his comments? Free Speech should not and does not apply in his situation, delete his god damned comments!</description>
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<p>Why bother to even reply when all he is doingis to play like a broken old record.</p>
<p>He is challenging you to delete his post, why not obliged him? We all know who he is and what&#8217;s his agenda.</p>
<p>His sole purpose here is to spite TR, why bother to even approve his comments? Free Speech should not and does not apply in his situation, delete his god damned comments!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi rolleyes,

You have to try harder. Who told you we did not do anything about it?

Didn&#039;t you read our article which says that we have upgraded the server (again) and install another firewall after the DDOS attack?

As we say before, you can always contact our hosting company RTG Asia. What is stopping you?

If you don&#039;t even dare to reveal your real identity, what gives you the right to debunk what our system administrator says when you can&#039;t even provide any proof whatsoever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi rolleyes,</p>
<p>You have to try harder. Who told you we did not do anything about it?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you read our article which says that we have upgraded the server (again) and install another firewall after the DDOS attack?</p>
<p>As we say before, you can always contact our hosting company RTG Asia. What is stopping you?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t even dare to reveal your real identity, what gives you the right to debunk what our system administrator says when you can&#8217;t even provide any proof whatsoever?</p>
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		<title>By: rolleyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>rolleyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Admin, haha, you&#039;ve got the wrong person. I&#039;m not in the same league as whoever you&#039;re thinking of. And it&#039;s funny how you associate things like that. I&#039;m just exercising my right to free speech. Does my free speech need to align with yours?

Please calm your nerves, don&#039;t be paranoid. Not everyone in Temasek companies and Government offices are evil, ok? Anyway, Einstein says &quot;1+1=2&quot;. Your kid says &quot;1+1=2&quot;. Does that make a difference?

I figure there&#039;re a few admins here? Hope a runaway &quot;submit comment&quot;-happy admin don&#039;t bring down the whole house onto the rest.

Oh boy, if you insists there&#039;s massive DDOS and still do nothing about it but just waste everyone&#039;s time with a fuss over something else (or rather nothing), then go ahead please. The onus is not on me.

There can be feelings of bliss now, since the belief is that your new local firewall successfully defeated the alleged MASSIVE DDOS, thus allowing many lucky visitors through to your &quot;Under Construction&quot; page.

Well, you are the admin, not me. Don&#039;t paint a sorry humble picture if the real one comes next time. We won&#039;t get to see it.

Ok, just delete this free speech if you deem it&#039;s too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Admin, haha, you&#8217;ve got the wrong person. I&#8217;m not in the same league as whoever you&#8217;re thinking of. And it&#8217;s funny how you associate things like that. I&#8217;m just exercising my right to free speech. Does my free speech need to align with yours?</p>
<p>Please calm your nerves, don&#8217;t be paranoid. Not everyone in Temasek companies and Government offices are evil, ok? Anyway, Einstein says &#8220;1+1=2&#8243;. Your kid says &#8220;1+1=2&#8243;. Does that make a difference?</p>
<p>I figure there&#8217;re a few admins here? Hope a runaway &#8220;submit comment&#8221;-happy admin don&#8217;t bring down the whole house onto the rest.</p>
<p>Oh boy, if you insists there&#8217;s massive DDOS and still do nothing about it but just waste everyone&#8217;s time with a fuss over something else (or rather nothing), then go ahead please. The onus is not on me.</p>
<p>There can be feelings of bliss now, since the belief is that your new local firewall successfully defeated the alleged MASSIVE DDOS, thus allowing many lucky visitors through to your &#8220;Under Construction&#8221; page.</p>
<p>Well, you are the admin, not me. Don&#8217;t paint a sorry humble picture if the real one comes next time. We won&#8217;t get to see it.</p>
<p>Ok, just delete this free speech if you deem it&#8217;s too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Zone Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zone Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats TR, liked a pheonix arising from the ashes.
you have certainly stirred some interest with big brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats TR, liked a pheonix arising from the ashes.<br />
you have certainly stirred some interest with big brother.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi rolleyes,

This has already been explained earlier somewhere. Please check out the facts before trying to act smart again. 

The DDOS occurred on Friday morning till 10pm after which our system administrator decided to install an anti-DDOS firewall which explains the &quot;under construction&quot; page some netizens see subsequently.

All the information was given by our hosting company RTG Asia. Please feel free to check out the facts with them. We have nothing to hide. If there is anybody out there who can prove to us that our site is not under any DDOS attack, please go ahead and prove us wrong. Don&#039;t hide behind the darkness and think we do not know about your background. 

The strange thing is, we have dubious characters who claim that there wasn&#039;t any DDOS attack and yet UNABLE to provide any evidence to prove us wrong.

So if it is not a DDOS attack, are you implying that our hosting company has lied to us?

We really have to question the motives of these people - why are they so keen to dispute our claims that our site is down by a DDOS attack? Furthermore, they don&#039;t even dare to reveal their real identities or email us! What does it say about their credibility?

And whether we want to make a fuss out of grabbing is really none of your business.

This is our site and we have the right to know why SPH is grabbing our entire content. Can&#039;t we even ask to find out what is happening? We do not have to seek your permission to do that and neither do we have to justify our actions to you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi rolleyes,</p>
<p>This has already been explained earlier somewhere. Please check out the facts before trying to act smart again. </p>
<p>The DDOS occurred on Friday morning till 10pm after which our system administrator decided to install an anti-DDOS firewall which explains the &#8220;under construction&#8221; page some netizens see subsequently.</p>
<p>All the information was given by our hosting company RTG Asia. Please feel free to check out the facts with them. We have nothing to hide. If there is anybody out there who can prove to us that our site is not under any DDOS attack, please go ahead and prove us wrong. Don&#8217;t hide behind the darkness and think we do not know about your background. </p>
<p>The strange thing is, we have dubious characters who claim that there wasn&#8217;t any DDOS attack and yet UNABLE to provide any evidence to prove us wrong.</p>
<p>So if it is not a DDOS attack, are you implying that our hosting company has lied to us?</p>
<p>We really have to question the motives of these people &#8211; why are they so keen to dispute our claims that our site is down by a DDOS attack? Furthermore, they don&#8217;t even dare to reveal their real identities or email us! What does it say about their credibility?</p>
<p>And whether we want to make a fuss out of grabbing is really none of your business.</p>
<p>This is our site and we have the right to know why SPH is grabbing our entire content. Can&#8217;t we even ask to find out what is happening? We do not have to seek your permission to do that and neither do we have to justify our actions to you.</p>
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		<title>By: rolleyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>rolleyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments are deleted. Oops......... So much for advocating free speech and open honest truth. And credos to all the past work bashing censorship.

@Sinkapore, you&#039;re right. You fear any comments you make at msm site are censored. Their &quot;face&quot; is all too important. You know what, I share that same feeling. Here.

I&#039;ve gone through the massive DDOS article. Like some commenters said, there can&#039;t be any &quot;under construction&quot; site seen by any visitor. The visitor will just see a time-out.

No local downstream measures (eg your new firewall, which obviously won&#039;t make any dent in the DDOS) can unplug the choke in your bandwidth caused by the massive DDOS. DDOS must be stop near the source at the upstream, which means your host provider may need help from partners across the internet. It&#039;ll be super obvious if there&#039;s DDOS.

You&#039;re also more interested in the grabbing than the DDOS. Nobody needs to answer to grabbing, while DDOS has all to answer under the legal section you quoted. Isn&#039;t that a very odd approach?

What&#039;s my take? I really can&#039;t help this. Someone made an big fuss over nothing ie grabbing. And the firewall is put in place to stop the grabbing, not DDOS. The &quot;under construction&quot; page is the interim site while the the firewall is being prepared.

Ok, point made. Please go ahead to delete this post. Face is all-important, I understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments are deleted. Oops&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; So much for advocating free speech and open honest truth. And credos to all the past work bashing censorship.</p>
<p>@Sinkapore, you&#8217;re right. You fear any comments you make at msm site are censored. Their &#8220;face&#8221; is all too important. You know what, I share that same feeling. Here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gone through the massive DDOS article. Like some commenters said, there can&#8217;t be any &#8220;under construction&#8221; site seen by any visitor. The visitor will just see a time-out.</p>
<p>No local downstream measures (eg your new firewall, which obviously won&#8217;t make any dent in the DDOS) can unplug the choke in your bandwidth caused by the massive DDOS. DDOS must be stop near the source at the upstream, which means your host provider may need help from partners across the internet. It&#8217;ll be super obvious if there&#8217;s DDOS.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also more interested in the grabbing than the DDOS. Nobody needs to answer to grabbing, while DDOS has all to answer under the legal section you quoted. Isn&#8217;t that a very odd approach?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s my take? I really can&#8217;t help this. Someone made an big fuss over nothing ie grabbing. And the firewall is put in place to stop the grabbing, not DDOS. The &#8220;under construction&#8221; page is the interim site while the the firewall is being prepared.</p>
<p>Ok, point made. Please go ahead to delete this post. Face is all-important, I understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinkapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinkapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dogbert, I don&#039;t like to play word games. You can interprete &#039;rip&#039; in anyway you want but a casual reader would understand what I had actually meant to say.

My postings are for normal readers to digest, not intended for Elites. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dogbert, I don&#8217;t like to play word games. You can interprete &#8216;rip&#8217; in anyway you want but a casual reader would understand what I had actually meant to say.</p>
<p>My postings are for normal readers to digest, not intended for Elites. <img src='http://www.temasekreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bornloser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornloser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the relevant authorities investigate or an independent IT security company (probably non-Singaporean) investgate. All SPH has to do is allow access.
It is important for the truth to be out since we have draconian laws against cyberspace crime. 
Alas, it will not happen because it is SPH. If it is you or I we are done for! Justice a la Shanmugam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the relevant authorities investigate or an independent IT security company (probably non-Singaporean) investgate. All SPH has to do is allow access.<br />
It is important for the truth to be out since we have draconian laws against cyberspace crime.<br />
Alas, it will not happen because it is SPH. If it is you or I we are done for! Justice a la Shanmugam.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinkapore -&gt; as A Tan described in his note, I likewise felt that TR&#039;s original article was accusing SPH or something. It&#039;d seem to me that that TR was using fighting words, and waving rulebooks at others.

And, again, you are using technically correct words in an emotive manner. When we say we &quot;rip&quot; a CD, we make a full copy of it. Technically correct. Copyright holders use &quot;rip&quot;, a word with negative connotations to try to imbue the action with morally negative undertones. Media users do know that there are proper and improper &quot;rips&quot; - eg, copying a licensed piece of music onto another player within the alloted number of copies permitted by license. It is not at all clear why this incident should be seen as improper, unless there is (potential) damage to TR.

A software to view and record every webpage on a site is a morally neutral item. Not significantly different in impact from a browser, web accelerator or spider in its net effect. TR has been the only one thus far to imbue ill motives to others, and only getting to this point after making a huge fuss about DDOS, and imputations of damage to its bandwidth. If SPH&#039;s motives are that sinister and TR has evidence of it, serve a request nicely, without all the potential for defamation. What exactly is TR&#039;s complaint? That SPH has breached TR&#039;s T&amp;C of accessing and copying its contents? Oops... maybe TR should take this occasion to embed such a clause into its T&amp;C and whip it out in good order!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinkapore -&gt; as A Tan described in his note, I likewise felt that TR&#8217;s original article was accusing SPH or something. It&#8217;d seem to me that that TR was using fighting words, and waving rulebooks at others.</p>
<p>And, again, you are using technically correct words in an emotive manner. When we say we &#8220;rip&#8221; a CD, we make a full copy of it. Technically correct. Copyright holders use &#8220;rip&#8221;, a word with negative connotations to try to imbue the action with morally negative undertones. Media users do know that there are proper and improper &#8220;rips&#8221; &#8211; eg, copying a licensed piece of music onto another player within the alloted number of copies permitted by license. It is not at all clear why this incident should be seen as improper, unless there is (potential) damage to TR.</p>
<p>A software to view and record every webpage on a site is a morally neutral item. Not significantly different in impact from a browser, web accelerator or spider in its net effect. TR has been the only one thus far to imbue ill motives to others, and only getting to this point after making a huge fuss about DDOS, and imputations of damage to its bandwidth. If SPH&#8217;s motives are that sinister and TR has evidence of it, serve a request nicely, without all the potential for defamation. What exactly is TR&#8217;s complaint? That SPH has breached TR&#8217;s T&amp;C of accessing and copying its contents? Oops&#8230; maybe TR should take this occasion to embed such a clause into its T&amp;C and whip it out in good order!</p>
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		<title>By: Sinkapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinkapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dogbert, the user-agent of the server log DID NOT indicate that it was a browser, web accelerator or spider of any sort. Its was a Web Grabber, a software designed for the SOLE PURPOSE of ripping portions or an entire site.

The incident involved is NOT related to a DDoS. Lame explainations from the SPH and some readers suggesting browser accelerators, spiders, web crawler, whatnots have already been debunked techinically in other threads on the same matter, so I won&#039;t repost them here but you can still read the other threads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dogbert, the user-agent of the server log DID NOT indicate that it was a browser, web accelerator or spider of any sort. Its was a Web Grabber, a software designed for the SOLE PURPOSE of ripping portions or an entire site.</p>
<p>The incident involved is NOT related to a DDoS. Lame explainations from the SPH and some readers suggesting browser accelerators, spiders, web crawler, whatnots have already been debunked techinically in other threads on the same matter, so I won&#8217;t repost them here but you can still read the other threads.</p>
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