SM Goh: Inflow of foreigners must “benefit” citizens
November 6th, 2009 | 
Author: From our Correspondent
Just one week after speaking out in defence of foreigners, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong had made another stunning U-turn on the ruling party’s liberal immigration policies.
SM Goh had earlier called on Singaporeans to “embrace” foreigners as we are descendents of immigrants ourselves during a visit to his ancestral hometown of Quanzhou in Fujian province, China.
He aslo stressed on the importance of immigration to boost Singapore’s declining birth rates.
During a speech made yesterday at the 50th anniversary of the Real Estate Developers’ Association of Singapore (Redas), held at the Shangri-La Hotel, SM Goh said that Singapore must “manage” the inflow of foreign talent and other immigrants to ensure Singaporeans do not lose out but rather “benefit” from their presence.
“Locals must accommodate the different habits, beliefs and practices of foreigners, and foreigners working and living here must respect local ways and habits and make an effort to integrate…….Those who come to drink from the oasis must add to our ability to replenish the water, and not just consume and deplete the stock,” he said.
There is rising concerns that foreigners are forming ethnic “enclaves” in the HDB heartlands and are not making a conscious effort to integrate into Singapore society.
The ruling party has generously introduced a $10 million Community Integration Fund to help foreigners “integrate” and more importantly to make them feel “welcome” in Singapore.
Singapore PRs and new citizens are frequently roped in to participate in grassroots activities which are shunned by the majority of the locals.
SM Goh also said Housing Board (HDB) flats will remain the foundation of the Government’s home ownership policy and that the Government will continue to ensure that public housing remains affordable for most Singaporeans.
‘The current household income ceiling of $8,000 for public home ownership means that about eight in every 10 families remain eligible for HDB subsidies……our public housing policy, based on affordability, will ensure that they will be able to. This pledge had been kept in the past and it will be kept in the future.’ he added.
Despite widespread unhappiness and disgruntlement on the ground at the sky-rocketing prices of public housing, the ruling party is adamant that HDB flats remain affordable to ordinary Singaporeans.
The state media has been tasked to skew public perception in favor of the beleaguered HDB by spinning stories after stories on what HDB is doing to “help” citizens own their flats, the latest being the incredible spin that HDB suffered a S$2 billion dollars “deficit” last year in subsidizing Singaporeans.
Unfortunately, it appears that few are willing to buy the story. In an online poll done on the Temasek Review, 94 per cent out of some 700 respondents do not believe in the authencity of the figures released by HDB.
Regardless of the truth, it appears that the ruling party is losing the war of perception in cyberspace.
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Another sign that the election is coming soon?
You can bet your last dollar that for the nex few days other ministers will be singing the same tune – Singaporeans come first, foreigners must respect local, bla, bla, bla. Typical PAP wayang show.
PAP *pui*
Presently, Singaporeans is a “SANDWICH” class, and soon, will lose its majority. Becoming irrelevant, Singaporeans will not be consulted at all – its weight and usefulness is over.
government would rather spend millions on integrating foreigners than helping its own poor, needy and elderly citizens
time for change, vote opposition
I will not say much as SM Goh deserves my respect as an individual who will go down to the peoples level to interact and listen to our pains.
You made the policy of inviting so many immigrants
to singapore
and now you say another thing.
Harm already done,
how to undo it??
Yes! You are RIGHTTT MR GOH.
Thoes who drink from ther oasis should indeed remember the “THIRST” they themselves have experienced before and then
in gratitude ,replenish the waters in the oasis!How true!
i sincerely hope that our scholar-ministers ,quite afew who cmae fromhumble backgrounds themselves remember to show comapssion and gratitude for what they are today,precisely because other people-taxpayers,teachers,poor neighbours etc-took care of them in their times of need!
That’s reciprocity and fundamental ethics!!!
The impression of scaling back and talk of taking care of the people is a pre election pep talk and political “wayang”.
The PAP has got the gist of what the people is feeling probably from their faithful grassroots and snooping around the Internet corridor is now ready to brain wash the citizens.
I am afraid many will buy in their stories as usual, Singaporeans are gullible.
Once election is over the drumming up and change of tune will begin.
A leopard never changes its spot.
Only with true democracy and an alternate government can provide the safety that what GCT now says will stay.
This is called Channel 5 politics…they keep repeating the same crap over and over!
All the MIW Ministers speak with fork tongues.
From the top to the bottom, including GCT.
One tone before elections and a different tone after the elections.
We know them better now, especially with the internet, so their sweet talk don’t hold water anymore.
Do they really have the interests of Singapore citizens in their hearts ??
After the last GE :
- A tidal wave influx of FWs / FTs / PRs to make our lives more difficult.
- Prices of ’subsidized’ and ‘affordable’ HDB apartments skyrocketing towards the moon.
- Increase in the GST rate from 5 p/c to 7 p/c.
- Transport / ERP / Cost Of Living increasing all the time.
- Changes in CPF withdrawal rules that make it more likely that you will not be able to withdraw your own hard-earned money till you are 6 ft underground.
- Ministers and MPs that talk down to you and conveniently tell you to ‘move on’ when they cannot offer a logical solution.
The only interest they have is for themselves.
- Increase their own salaries by 60 p/c AFTER the last GE.
- Become the highest paid Government Ministers in the world where even the most Junior Minister is paid more than 2 times the salary of the President of the United States (Singapore Minister of State = S$ 1.5 mil. Prez Barrack Obama = USD 400k or approx S$ 550k).
So, think twice and vote wisely in the next GE.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/world/asia/09iht-sing.3.5200498.html
http://www.yeocheowtong.com/Salaries.html
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2476793&page=2 (see the posting at Hardwarezone by Ixnay @ 25-08-2009, 02:47 PM)
//Zone Trooper
If you have personally experience what you have written about GCT, then I have nothing else to say and good luck to you. There is a difference between a real MP in a democracy and those PAP version.
“Unfortunately, it appears that few are willing to buy the story. In an online poll done on the Temasek Review, 94 per cent out of some 700 respondents do not believe in the authencity of the figures released by HDB.”
I believe if the poll options were phrased differently, for example “Yes/No” as opposed to, “Yes: the government would not lie”, it would have a different outcome.
I do sense a hint of sarcasm in the poll and it would be rather foolish to pick the first option.
Elections are coming!
They always make such noises before elections. The fact is that from past history Singaporeans know they never listen to the people. Form the URA plans, I can see many areas marked out as industrial sites. With a falling population, this could only mean that they intend to bring in another 3 or 4 million foreigners.
They never listen to the people on the issue of casinos as well. And now it seems that they are really really worried about people becoming addicted to gambling. I fear for what will happen to this country when the casinos open. More addicted to gambling. More family break-ups. More suicides?
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20091105-178098.html
They are making a mess of things. Time for change.
So you ARE TOUCHED Just By GTC talking to you???!!!… SO touching really!!!…
Have you and others given him “CONSTRUCTIVE” Feedbacks And MORE IMPORTANTLY…
HAS he taken them into consideration and implementated some???… even with some modifications… And ALSO got at one of his “Ka-Kia” or Henchman to feedback to you???… AND…
Do you know that as 2nd PM then… he once said… in meaning…
Listen to Feedbacks and Other Opinions? As you can get as much as like 600 and I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THAT!!!… SO SO SMART HAW… As… Doesn’t he as PM…
Have some ‘Smart’ guys to PICK The Really CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS to FEEDBACK To him????…
No such thing in place and they talk about OUR “NEEDS” and “FEEDBACK” IS IMPORTANT???… SO Dear Zone Trooper…
Any DOUBLE-TALK here if not about SPINNING???…
How SIMPLISTIC PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE!!!… Perhaps YOU ARE his HENCHMAN Just Doing Your Thing FOR HIS Sake Yah!!!…
Any thing else you wnanna teach US WISER guys… who ARE NOT just ’smart’ like you and look-alikes of you???…
PAP DO NEED More of people like you WITH Simplistic Minds and So BLIND-Sided Faith… Meaning Faith WITH Kinks UNKNOWN to themselves!!!… That’s WISE or STUPID???… Please teach US to be as good as guys like you!!!
HOW MANY MORE TIMES DOES GCT as SM… and PM… etc Ministers MIW wanna repeat this “tick-tack-toe” of a Merry-Gp-Round KIDDY STUFF Charades???? HAH!!!
Another fallacious statement made by TR:
“Unfortunately, it appears that few are willing to buy the story. In an online poll done on the Temasek Review, 94 per cent out of some 700 respondents do not believe in the authencity of the figures released by HDB.”
Does TR claim to represent a good cross-section of the Singaporean society? Besides, online polls have been known to be notoriously inaccurate.
I was actually quite impressed with this article till this line came up.
Of late, MSM published a lot of “happy” Singaporean surveys in such a short compressed time period and so much contradictory messages from MIW on migration influx, one must be forgiven to suspect that election is just around the corner.
GCT was reported in MSM spoke of need to contain migration numbers in Fujian Province, then on return in Singapore spoke favouraly of welcoming foreign migration and now this restraining tune.
THIS IS INDICATIONS THE MIW HAS LOST ITS DIRECTION.
The same contradictory messages in economic front, LHL positive on outlook of the economy forward but the Finance Minister much less positive.
In trying times like these, the crisis management is falling apart I believe.
We need fresh ideas and the present team can’t manage it.
Let us bring opposition talent into Parliament for the good of this country.
Haha,
GCT talking to the mirror again.
GCT is one of those echelon responsible for inflow of foreigners and yet he want to be seem as a HERO by pretending to advocate against the foreigner inflow now ? Those clowns create these problems and now want to be perceived as the champion for the problem.
Their acting need to brush up. This is 2009 not 1965 where you have old fart successfully hoodwinking the citizen. GCT and his stooges, please get REAL FAST !
Election is definition coming.
“Does TR claim to represent a good cross-section of the Singaporean society? Besides, online polls have been known to be notoriously inaccurate.”
What is that compare to our ShittyTimes and ShittyMedia which is notoriously ‘accurate’ to be the mouthpiece of PAP ? Statistic and numbers can be deceived and mocked up legally as long as it makes PAP happy.
“I will not say much as SM Goh deserves my respect as an individual who will go down to the peoples level to interact and listen to our pains.”
Haha,
For $10,000 a day, I, as SPM, will too be happily visit your house to listen to your woe I created ! Just listen yet do nothing, NATO, just a routine check. Respect is not given by wayang and talk, respect can only be given by sacrifice and action. What has GCT done anyway to gain the respect of people ? Just show face, and you call this a respect ? Will he even show his ass if not election is coming ?
martin wolf of FT has questioned whether the costs > benefits on immigration in UK. it applies to singapore too.
this shows that uncontrolled immigration is hitting against the wall. those who continue to persist will just get themselves thrown in the dustbin of history
He is shouting at the face of LHL, criticising him for being too blunt with immigration policies and he better set the matter right. I think he is getting a little annoyed at how LHL rule this country blindly without listening to the heart of Singaporeans.
Change must come on Fri, 6th Nov 2009 12:42 pm
“…Let us bring opposition talent into Parliament for the good of this country….”
Whether the oppositions are more talented than the PAP MPs or not is not so important. We can be assured that the opposition MPs will have more hearts than those self-serving fat cats. More importantly, opposition MPs can and will vote against any rubbish bills tabled in parliament by those self-serving fat cats.
The govt seems to be on the defensive but a bit too late. the damage has been done and cannot be put right even if they put in 101%. well they got to pay the price and face a knock out.
Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party goons perfected and believe in the “Big” lie and “Small” lies methods.
But for the above to work….it requires much repetition and the repeating of it until most if not all the citizens in the country will come to believe the lie as truth.
I am sad to say…the singaporean un-original politicians are using the above methods on the citizens of singapore….repeat, rinse, re-rinse, re-repeat and repeat until the citizens come to believe the lie is the truth or almost the truth.
I hate politices….ONE Reason….Politicians only think of the short term gains [incidently for themselves too] and never the long term for their fellow citizens/country.
Sham Politicians are the losers who can’t succeed in real life…Real Politicians upon their deaths you will see the citizens coming out in droves to pay their respects…Dictator type Politicians will have their graves exhumed or vandalized or spit on or cursed forever….
Haiz.
“Help” us “afford” housing? EVERYONE should be reading this article – http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/11/06/demand-vs-supply-so-many-applicants-so-few-flats/
It IS NOT JUST the figures released… THE SUPPORTING “Prats” Figures that help to ADD UP to the Final Figure and SUPPORTANT EXPLANATIONS TOO… WILL TELL and GIVE The COMPLET Picture is it not!!!
this time round, for whatever reasons one may have as regards to pap being good or bad, the ideas is to change for better. i strongly want opposition to come in no matter what.
the majority no choice want changes.
I agree with Mike, we must stand together as citizens as stakeholders of the country call Singapore, this time we hold the key of our future, our children’s future and to vote for change, vote to betterment of Singapore and its citizens and let us have a stake in this change.
Take heart of the Singapore pledge, as a true patriot and not the highfulatin and aspiration of the PAP.
this is what happens when you have one party ruling for so long and a country governed by father and son. theres no circulation of fresh ideas or new approaches to problems. the same thing goes round and round.
time for a change?
Singaporeans shut up and move on!
Listen to your papies.
Cheese on Fri, 6th Nov 2009 1:51 pm
Too many fat dogs, fat cats and unsackable deadwoods running this country. It costs us a lot in monetary terms in fattening their wallets and asset enrichment accounts even more COSTLY so in damaged terms of harm caused done to this country of failed public policies and autocracy of rule.
The Singapore ship is hitting the iceberg in thick fog of their utter confusion. Singaporeans must stop them and turn this ship around. Else we all be drowned with their titanic incompetency.
Dear TR,
It is ok to quote data from your online polls, but please do not try to draw any strong conclusions from them.
Like many above have pointed out, a single chink in an article is enough to bring down the perceived quality of the entire article.
I do not see how I am going to be benefited from the inflow of foreigners. Please tell me and explain to me how.
@Exposer:
I guess you totally missed my point there. In order to be truly credible as an alternative media outlet, TR cannot just be contented with yardsticks like ST, Today etc. It does not mean that “as long as we are less biased than them we are good”. I think that is a sad state to aim for. An analogy is to say that a robber is a good person because compared to a murderer he doesn’t kill. It doesn’t make a lot of sense, does it?
It is not enough to be ‘better’ than MSM since anyone with a decent unbiased brain can do that. What is needed is something that is truly outstanding. That is something I have been waiting for in TR, albeit with somewhat futile results.
1) SM Goh said that Singapore must “manage” the inflow of foreign talent and other immigrants to ensure Singaporeans do not lose out but rather “benefit” from their presence.
2)He aslo stressed on the importance of immigration to boost Singapore’s declining birth rates.
Question
1.a) What kind of benefit we get? our job taken by them?
1.b) If china can’t speak english, if philipine,Indian, their english sometime unable to understand.
1.c) they mostly work at retail line 711,cheer,giant,carrefour u name it i find for u,f&b pizza hut, mcd,bk,small resaurant or big res. u name it to i will find for u. Construction don’t i have to mention. Project manager down to worker all F.T.
2.a) How many of this So call PR, FT, Sgp NEW Citizen baby we born 1 year?
2.b) I have seen practice by Malaysia PR, going to have baby return to malaysia to give birth.
I see at the end i as a singapore born & breed see they is not benefit.
I love my country @ Fri, 6th Nov 2009 4:18 pm
You are right, we shut up move on !!! WE make change!!! Singapore, We CAN!
the 8 out of 10 families rules is a joke.
I don’t know where Goh gets this figure.
Is the ratio 8 out 10 true 20 years ago when the ceiling was first established.
I don’t trust his statistics.
It is good that Goh is aware of the fact there are many FTs exploiting their time here in Singapore to the detriment of Singaporeans.
Go look at NUS business canteen in the noon /lunch time and you can tell.
It only take then 5 years ++ to realise this.
What a joke!
They are blinded by their million dollar life style.
only when election time comes then they say something sensible.
So that we give them another 15 million salary in total each for the next 5 years.
With this kind of standard in govt, can we not expect s’pore to sink?
@ raxip on Fri, 6th Nov 2009 5:22 pm
You claimed “Exposure” totally missed your point there??? Really or your crappy bullshit well camouflaged below???
….” What is needed is something that is truly outstanding. That is something I have been waiting for in TR, albeit with somewhat futile results……”
You have NOT spelt out what is “TRULY OUTSTANDING” benchmark of yours or anyone else and you don’t speak for anyone else here on that benchmark.
Maybe it is your REDOLENT red herring of some devilishly fictional “IMPRACTICAL TEST” of NO SATISFACTION EVER POSSIBLE of even heavenly achievement.
In simple few words, COYB (cut out your bullshit)!
Goh CT is talking cock again.
The real problem is not treating your own citizen well and also voting in lousy ministers.
LHL by the way, once compared our water price with mineral water price.
Is that not a prelude/indicator of the cramp policies he could come up with during this 5 years?
AND GOH was the one who passed him the seat and defended LHL’s appointment of HC to TH.
We all know how lousy their performance is.
GCT is appealing to a lost cause!
He’s somewhat responsible for the mess with foreigners here. The PAP has failed miserably with the “foreign talent” issue – the floodgates were open so wide now and to proclaim his voice is totally unacceptable. The management of foreigners here is one of the worst, or perhaps we should also include this as a First class bungle that will hopefully end the PAP total control at the next election.
@Anonymous on Fri, 6th Nov 2009 8:21 pm
Thanks for reminding me that I didn’t define “Truly Outstanding”. Perhaps allow me to define it here in somewhat coarse terms: Some sort of report that does not give me the feeling that it is blindly pro-opposition yet it also does not seem lifted out of MSM. It must also seem well-reasoned with robust and rigorous methodologies employed in the process of writing the article.
Of course, as you have mentioned, could it be a label which only a rare few can practically achieve? I am not ashamed to say yes. If every article were to be “truly outstanding”, which will be “truly outstanding” then?
Contrary to your assertion, I don’t claim to speak for everyone on that benchmark just like how I don’t claim to speak for every football fan when I say that I will be so glad when Man Utd wins their 19th league title.
Going back to my original reply to Exposure, I am trying to say that it is not enough to benchmark against MSM since they are pretty bad benchmarks themselves. To be contented with “better than MSM” is akin to saying that anything is better than nothing. Instead of comparing with bad benchmarks like MSM, perhaps we should compare with better benchmarks out there.
In any case, these are just my personal opinions and there is no need to get vindicative/personal/aggressive. After all, everyone here is more or less a keyboard warrior and we are typing at the comfort of our chairs and behind the cloak of anonymity. After all, as the saying goes, opinions are just like ars*holes – everyone has one, just that some are bigger than others.
@ raxip on Fri, 6th Nov 2009 10:19 pm
Good you came to your realisation that the substance of your debating point has a big hole.
Robustness in debate DOES NOT mean vindicative or personal or aggressive and anything else more colourful of imaginative creations.
Truly outstanding means “excess of an aggregate amount” and in publishing, how is the “aggregate amount” determined? It is an “impractical test” incapable of measurement quantification or even remotess of satisfaction.
The benchmark you now indicated could hardly be “truly outstanding” but probably distinguished of unique perspective of coherent thoughts and that is satisfied more by TR reader’s contribution.I see some good posts in their threads and some robust thoughts (and humour too) exchanged – none seen as vindictive, aggressive or personal.
“and foreigners working and living here must respect local ways and habits and make an effort to integrate…….Those who come to drink from the oasis must add to our ability to replenish the water, and not just consume and deplete the stock,” he said.”
What has his govt done to make sure ft come here and respect locals?
What has his govt done to ensure that the fts replenish the water?
The analogy is stupid in the 1st place.
Once water is drunk, how is the living being going to replenish it?
Through urine which our companies refine later?
Is anyone surprise how come locals getting shit from fts?
The analogy is telling…
SINGAPORE has no choice but to attract foreign talent if it wants to progress, said Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew in March 2009 on a trip to Bahrain.
He stressed that when the Government talks about increasing the country’s population, it is referring to the top talent and not the labourers.
‘At the lower end, the work permit holders who do the heavy and hard jobs, we’ve got enough of our own…So when we talk about increasing numbers, we are increasing numbers only at the top end.’
Straits Times 8 March 2009
So the foreigners will become the new ellites and Singaporeans will do the heavy and hard jobs. Singaporeans will become the labourers and servants for the foreign talent.
Also, just in August 2009, Gan Kim Yong in reply to a call by Josephine Teo to rethink the foreign workers policy said that “it would instead create rigidity and distortion in the labour market. This would add costs to businesses and undermine their competitiveness.”
They obviously intend to bring in millions more foreigners. The only reason for them to sound reconciliatory is because elections are near.
The electorate is now wiser and more sophisticated and will not fall for such tricks.
Time for Change is now. The people will vote for Change.
“Thanks for reminding me that I didn’t define “Truly Outstanding”.”
So can we treat “Truly Outstanding” and “rigorously-researched” social-politcal site as mere Aspiration just like LKY claims the Singapore pledge is just a Aspiration ? Or even Highfalutin ?
John Potus on Sat, 7th Nov 2009 12:51 am
…..”we are increasing numbers only at the top end.’… If this is what MM said of the “quality” if immigrant sought, then I would ask for proof of substance of fact – NOT intention or simply aspiration.
http://www.yesmigration.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=124:who-is-eligible-to-appy-for-he-landed-pr&catid=55:singapore-landed-pr&Itemid=82
Who is eligible to appy for he Landed PR?
The Landed Permanent Residence Scheme is open to those who :-
• hold tertiary qualifications or have other outstanding merits; AND
• are not more than 45 years of age; AND
• is not working in Singapore currently.
Noticed that these CRITERIA MADE NO ASSESSMENT OF SKILLS SET IN DEMAND, VERIFIED OR VERIFIABLE TRACK RECORDS OF ACHIEVEMENT AND EXPERIENCE RELEVANT TO OUR LABOUR MARKET NEEDS, NO CHARACTER ASSESSMENT, NO MEDICAL CHECK REQUIREMENTS ETC.
Other than age bar and not in current employment here – meaning simply on holiday or working outside Singapore – a tertiary qualified applicant immediately get approval-in-principle.
So that means that a graduate from any local private college with a foreign qualification AUTOMATICALLY QUALIFIED EVEN WITHOUT EXPERIENCE.
What TOP end of talent is that??
Do we NOT have “top end” talents from among our citizenry with degrees from EXACTLY THE SAME tertiary institutions or private schools here which offered tertiary qualifications on completion in the same way as Zhang Yuan Yuan?
Or are “top talent” is of such quality BECAUSE THEY ARE FOREIGN?
If it is Singaporeans from the same graduating class as foreigners, it is “LOW TALENT” end?
This is a SERIOUS issue when top talent is defined merely by reason of a tertiary qualification to be granted in-principle approval of Landed Permanent Resident.
How do we know that some foreign qualifications befitting “top talent” are really DUBIOUS of quality and employability? I read on the bloggs many so-called foreign talents found to be incompetent but protected by their own nationals who crowded out locals in the workplace.
Of course foreigners are top talent by reason that they are cheaper – if all that is needed is a tertiary qualification. THE UGLY SIDE OF TRUTH IS THAT TOP TALENT IS SOLELY DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN NATIONALITY intricately tied to cheapness, not relevant skills set.
Singaporeans will be forever driven out of work and remains unemployable as foreigners sieved out their applications. IMAGINE THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THAT DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY’S CITIZENRY?
MM himself recently said publicly that in China – two sets of law apply – one for the 76 million communist party members and another set of law apply to the rests.
If that is true, it would apply to tertiary education sector as well. China got hundreds of universities, how many made to the world top 200? Maybe less than the fingers of one hand. Singapore has only 3 university, two made it into the top 200 universities. Australia has maybe 30 universities (??) maybe less than 8 made it to the world’s top 200 universities.
THE QUALITY DIMENSION IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT. LOCAL UNIVERSITY GRADUATE ARE SUPERIOR TO THOSE GRADUATES FROM CHINESE OR EVEN AUSTRALIAN UNIVERSITIES – on an average.
So it begs the question – what kind of top talent did our migration influx absorb?
THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO THAT IS – IT IS MAINLY RUBBISH IN SUBSTANCE EXCEPT THOSE COMING FROM TOP GRADE FEW UNIVERSITIES IN CHINA AND AUSTRALIA if we take migration from these two countries as illustration example. What about Philippine and India (other than IT field)?
When you have two sets of law in permitted corruption like in China, HOW DOES SINGAPORE KNOWS THAT THOSE WHO CAME WITH TERTIARY QUALIFICATIONS were NOT actually university drop-outs but got their qualification by virtue of corrupt dealings of political donations or parents political standing within the Chinese Communist Party especially those from outside the world’s top 200 list of Chinese universities?
What we got is a LOT of DUD. And why is it so?
We imported over 100,000 migrants each year over the last few years. Were they rigorously vetted formally to ensure quality or blinked the eyes through to bring in the numbers?
Zhang Yuan Yuan is living proof of that quality screening. DUD.
Contrasting to Australia – they have a SPECIFIC MIGRATION statutory law which stringently control quality with defined legal provisions of assessment, review and appeal procedures AND TRIBUNAL TO ASSESS QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE AND COMPLIANCE WITH PR CONDITIONS.
WE HAVE NONE.
Since we have none – where is the benchmark AND LAW APPLICABLE TO CAPTURE AND ENFORCE QUALITY other the political fiction???
With the massive flooding in in a hurry, even worms, spiders and cockroaches will get in. THIS IS NO EXAGGERATION.
University education standards have fallen OUTSIDE SINGAPORE. Universities in Australia, Britain for example are just MIGRATION FACTORIES GIVING OUT QUALIFICATIONS LEADING TO MIGRATION APPLICATION RIGHTS in exchange for students fees funding support.
So if we got some applicants from graduates from such kachang puteh universities and qualification, our MIGRATION CRITERIA IMMEDIATELY APPROVED THEIR APPLICATION IN PRINCIPLE.
How many got rejected after in-principle approval?? Probably embarassing of us to turnaround to shame our own in-principle approval is dud – maybe all got approved in the end.
Looked at migration lawsuits in Australia through the tribunals. These are only those who fought in the migration appeal channels – most got tired of failing to get in, and incapable of knowledge of migration law and cannot afford to appeal just become illegal immigrants or leave -YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LISTS THAT THEY COME MAINLY FROM PRCS and SOUTH ASIAN COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA, BLANGAH DESH ETC.
These are the countries we seek new migrants. It is TELLING OF THE DUBIOUS QUALITY we got or likely to get because migrants to Australia from Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Europe, North and South America are of quality who meets criteria. NO NEED TO FIGHT IN DESPERATION TO GET PR as those from China and India.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/MRTA/toc-Z.html
I REST MY CASE ON TOP TALENT BULLSHIT we got here. We took in too many, too fast and full of rubbish as well.
lky IS ‘THE TopPEST FoREIGN TAlent in OUR land’…BeeCaWs he IS from The Indonesian Riau island IS he not!!!… his son then ‘IS’ the 2nd TOpest taLENT in OUR LANd ISN”T he!!!…
Now… You rightly PINTED OUT about how grEAT such talents ARE… AS…
You wrote…
Wrote AFTER…
“John Potus on Sat, 7th Nov 2009 12:51 am… WROTE…
…..”we are increasing numbers only at the top end.’… If this is what MM said of the “quality” if immigrant sought, then I would ask for proof of substance of fact – NOT intention or simply aspiration.
http://www.yesmigration.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=124:who-is-eligible-to-appy-for-he-landed-pr&catid=55:singapore-landed-pr&Itemid=82
AS “”Anonymous on Sat, 7th Nov 2009 10:11 am”… THAT…
“Who is eligible to appy for he Landed PR?
The Landed Permanent Residence Scheme is open to those who :-
• hold tertiary qualifications or have other outstanding merits; AND
• are not more than 45 years of age; AND
• is not working in Singapore currently.
Noticed that these CRITERIA MADE NO ASSESSMENT OF SKILLS SET IN DEMAND, VERIFIED OR VERIFIABLE TRACK RECORDS OF ACHIEVEMENT AND EXPERIENCE RELEVANT TO OUR LABOUR MARKET NEEDS, NO CHARACTER ASSESSMENT, NO MEDICAL CHECK REQUIREMENTS ETC.
Other than age bar and not in current employment here – meaning simply on holiday or working outside Singapore – a tertiary qualified applicant immediately get approval-in-principle.
So that means that a graduate from any local private college with a foreign qualification AUTOMATICALLY QUALIFIED EVEN WITHOUT EXPERIENCE.”… And SO…
What TOP end of talent is that even them PAP are going to vote for in the up-coming GE???”… NUTS = No-U-Turn SIGN!!!…
So many new migrants coming to Singapore, I begin to wonder why my son and I have to do NS. Who are we actually protecting?
in many large corporations, the “right pocket out left pocket in” way of doing business is very common…
a typical scenario…
say, holding company A has 2 subsidiaries B and C. Company B buys from open market raw material $1, then sells to C for $8.
C uses another $3 to process, and sells to the open market for $9. This would reflect a loss on C’s books of $2 (income $9 – raw material cost $8 – processing cost $3).
however, the actual earnings to the group (holding company A) is $5 ($9 – $3 – $1).
To ensure on-going continuity of business, A provides assistance to C to ensure that C continues to operate. In this instance, it might be about $2.00 to cover “loss”.
meanwhile, this “loss” position scenario provides the perfect opportunity for A to raise the price of C’s processed goods sold to the open market.
on A’s consolidated financial statements, due to the need to eliminate intercompany transactions, a tidy profit figure will be shown…without revealing this typical “right pocket out left pocket in” scenario….
In Singapore, most companies are required to prepare financial statements in accordance with SGP FRS (Singapore Financial Reporting Standards), and any deviation could mean the disclosure requirements/measurement basis/etc of financial items (especially provisions and impairments, the “grey” areas of accounting) are different, and it is recommended that any deviation from SGP FRS be justified and accounted for in the financial statements.
The Stat Boards have its own set of financial reporting standards (SB-FRS), which do not indicate why SGP-FRS was not adopted, nor did it give an account of the differences that have arose from the adoption of a different standard.
yiaks! posted to wrong thread…
the comment above was for the “hdb loss 2 billion” thread. apologies for the confusion to anyone who read it
Benefit us? More like benefit PAP during the elections.
PRs are here for the short-term. Once money is earned, they will just leave Singapore for good. Singapore is just a stepping stone for them to venture to bigger economies.
I believe the PAP knows that but they don’t care as long as they can secure votes for the next GE.
What is required in this country is a proper statutory migration law which defines how migration application be processed -offshore and onshore – what application compliance conditions apply of truthful disclosures, what assessment criteria to apply by public gazette notice, what rights of appeal of rejected application, and what continuiing conditions attached to PR if successful, what grounds for revocation and appeal procedures if revoked, external audit of migration procedures being complied with in ICA etc etc.
Without a statutory defined and transparent processing and rigorous determination of applications, we will get very lowest marginal quality of migrants simply because it is the easiest to get in. And the costs to society astronomical and the benefits to Singaporeans illusory.
“Vicki on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 1:50 am ”
Thanks you for your analysis of how busines CAN BE Done The SICK-Ways you illlustrated. Worng posting or not as i might not have otherwise read it… IT DOES GIVE SOME ideas to us about say… like HOW NTUC’s named FairPrice Supermarkets CHARGES us for brand goods like a few I’ve shared to hopefully get some people to check out other prices to satisfy The Point I’ve been getting at…. And THAT”S “FAIRPrice” OVER_CHARGING US ALL… AS A “CO-OPERATIVE” Enterprise AT THAT!!!… VERY NEAT!!!
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And now to another subject… To…
“sturmtruppen on Fri, 6th Nov 2009 1:56 pm”…
You wrote…
“Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party goons perfected and believe in the “Big” lie and “Small” lies methods.
But for the above to work….it requires much repetition and the repeating of it until most if not all the citizens in the country will come to believe the lie as truth.
I am sad to say…the singaporean un-original politicians are using the above methods on the citizens of singapore….repeat, rinse, re-rinse, re-repeat and repeat until the citizens come to believe the lie is the truth or almost the truth.”…
Sir Winston Churchill once said about REPEAT Something often enough and people will believ in it Even If It IS NOT TRUE!!!… This is A Mass Mind Managing technic call… Overloading the mind with information till it ONLY believes in The MOST RECENT VERSION!!! VERY NEAT YAH!!!…
I HAVE ASKED If anyone Realise THAT PAP Ministers ARE THE MOST TALKATIVE politicians of most of the governments in the world!!!…
WHY DO YOU think I ASKED THIS QUESTION more than a few times???
WAKE UP SINKaPOOReans… Those who don’t know how TO FILTER out “RUBBISH” from The HEALTHY And “NATURAL” TRUTHS!!!