Comments on: The PAP in crisis (Part 4): Likely post-LKY scenario and implications for Singapore http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/ The Voice of Singapore from Singaporeans for Singaporeans Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:16:29 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Candice http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-2/#comment-29523 Candice Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:46:06 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-29523 I think the post above made some interesting points, on a related side note I found a used version of Society, State and Market: A Guide to Competing Theories of Development which is directly related to this topic for less than the bookstores at http://www.belabooks.com/books/9781856494427.htm I think the post above made some interesting points, on a related side note I found a used version of Society, State and Market: A Guide to Competing Theories of Development which is directly related to this topic for less than the bookstores at http://www.belabooks.com/books/9781856494427.htm

]]> By: Neil Bishop http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-2/#comment-28216 Neil Bishop Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:40:23 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-28216 LKY's comment was that government should be, inter alia, "honest". It's the lack of honesty that will ultimately spell the end of the PAP in Singapore. While much has been said about the recent losses announced by Temasek, those of us who have followed the activities of Temasek and GIC through non-Singaporean sources of information are aware that the losses are substantially more than what has been announced and that the bulk of the losses occurred -before- the GFC. Singaporeans are apathetic in so many ways, but when you take their rice bowl from them I am sure we will actually see change. The Lee Family is afraid of opposition not because of the fear of losing power, per se, but because of the fear that LKY, in particular, will be exposed for his manifold failures in losing the wealth of Singaporeans through the vehicles he controls and then covering up and lying about those same losses. That's why he clings to life and power: he wants to be remembered as the one who led Singapore from third world to first, not the one whose gross errors in judgement resulted in Singapore going backwards. LKY’s comment was that government should be, inter alia, “honest”. It’s the lack of honesty that will ultimately spell the end of the PAP in Singapore.
While much has been said about the recent losses announced by Temasek, those of us who have followed the activities of Temasek and GIC through non-Singaporean sources of information are aware that the losses are substantially more than what has been announced and that the bulk of the losses occurred -before- the GFC.
Singaporeans are apathetic in so many ways, but when you take their rice bowl from them I am sure we will actually see change.
The Lee Family is afraid of opposition not because of the fear of losing power, per se, but because of the fear that LKY, in particular, will be exposed for his manifold failures in losing the wealth of Singaporeans through the vehicles he controls and then covering up and lying about those same losses. That’s why he clings to life and power: he wants to be remembered as the one who led Singapore from third world to first, not the one whose gross errors in judgement resulted in Singapore going backwards.

]]> By: dell http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-2/#comment-28054 dell Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:43:05 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-28054 The movers and shakers will never join YPAP. One reason, just look at how they run P-65 blog. They all run away and leave it to a bunch of confused people who know nuts abt reaching out. When it goes wrong, they have a first class fire wall. Neither way, the house wins and there is no accountability. Damn irresponsible! Most smart people know they only have one life and they dont want to waste it on following a phoney, that means they will always insist on dealing with real people who are serious about the whole deal of moving ahead in life In that respect, the brotherhood fulfills the demand of that niche market. They go where they like. They have their own mind and they really know how to hit the home runs. Personally I really cant stand that guy Duckness but as it is, its almost impossible to deny in any intelligent discussion. A very hard act to follow. The movers and shakers will never join YPAP.

One reason, just look at how they run P-65 blog. They all run away and leave it to a bunch of confused people who know nuts abt reaching out. When it goes wrong, they have a first class fire wall. Neither way, the house wins and there is no accountability. Damn irresponsible!

Most smart people know they only have one life and they dont want to waste it on following a phoney, that means they will always insist on dealing with real people who are serious about the whole deal of moving ahead in life

In that respect, the brotherhood fulfills the demand of that niche market. They go where they like. They have their own mind and they really know how to hit the home runs. Personally I really cant stand that guy Duckness but as it is, its almost impossible to deny in any intelligent discussion. A very hard act to follow.

]]> By: btan http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27558 btan Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:26 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27558 @Citizen Soldier "if we do not defend Singapore, who will?" Professional Army + Volunteer soldiers. Give good incentives for volunteering (much like what NS is now) One professionally trained soldier willing to fight and die for his country is better than 10 conscriptees worrying about his job and not willing to fight. @Citizen Soldier

“if we do not defend Singapore, who will?”

Professional Army + Volunteer soldiers. Give good incentives for volunteering (much like what NS is now)

One professionally trained soldier willing to fight and die for his country is better than 10 conscriptees worrying about his job and not willing to fight.

]]> By: Citizen Soldier http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27363 Citizen Soldier Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:12:05 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27363 @Panzer "I don’t think Singaporeans are not competitive. We work hard and we work smart. But it sucks when you compete with one hand tied behind your back i.e. NS obligations, annual ICT, recall manning that makes you less attractive to the employer versus a PR who doesn’t have to serve NS." I do not think serving NS is considered a handicap. For one I am very pro for our boys to serve NS, in fact I am saddened to see that the NS of today has not being churning out tougher men like they used to if you get what I meant. Coming back to the matter - if we do not defend Singapore, who will? Like you I too wish to see Singaporeans be more pro-active in national issues - Yang Pertama Dan Utama - Mahjullah Singapura! @Panzer

“I don’t think Singaporeans are not competitive. We work hard and we work smart. But it sucks when you compete with one hand tied behind your back i.e. NS obligations, annual ICT, recall manning that makes you less attractive to the employer versus a PR who doesn’t have to serve NS.”

I do not think serving NS is considered a handicap.
For one I am very pro for our boys to serve NS, in fact I am saddened to see that the NS of today has not being churning out tougher men like they used to if you get what I meant.

Coming back to the matter – if we do not defend Singapore, who will?
Like you I too wish to see Singaporeans be more pro-active in national issues – Yang Pertama Dan Utama – Mahjullah Singapura!

]]> By: Darth Vader http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27317 Darth Vader Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:44:03 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27317 "With few exceptions, democracy has not brought good government to new developing countries…..As an Asian of Chinese cultural background, my values are for a government which is honest, effective and efficient." If that is the case, then the old man should call for the dismissal of all the top scholars who are responsible for such idiotic actions such as squandering $400,000/- to determine that the best name for Marina Bay is Marina Bay, paying out $20,000/- cash money to a kid that suggested naming the budget terminal Budget Terminal etc. “With few exceptions, democracy has not brought good government to new developing countries…..As an Asian of Chinese cultural background, my values are for a government which is honest, effective and efficient.”

If that is the case, then the old man should call for the dismissal of all the top scholars who are responsible for such idiotic actions such as squandering $400,000/- to determine that the best name for Marina Bay is Marina Bay, paying out $20,000/- cash money to a kid that suggested naming the budget terminal Budget Terminal etc.

]]> By: The Online Citizen And A Wayang Party. « Elfredian Enclave http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27308 The Online Citizen And A Wayang Party. « Elfredian Enclave Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:13:39 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27308 [...] is taken from http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598 done by a Eugene Yeo. This entry was written by Elfred and posted on September 11, 2009 at [...] [...] is taken from http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598 done by a Eugene Yeo. This entry was written by Elfred and posted on September 11, 2009 at [...]

]]> By: Panzer http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27200 Panzer Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:30:15 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27200 @Citizen Soldier I don't think Singaporeans are not competitive. We work hard and we work smart. But it sucks when you compete with one hand tied behind your back i.e. NS obligations, annual ICT, recall manning that makes you less attractive to the employer versus a PR who doesn't have to serve NS. I for one think it's a myth that all SIngaporeans are not hungry enough. There will be some who are content with status quo, but many strive to better themselves to compete against this flood of foreigners coming to compete for us on unequal footing. Majullah SIngapura @Citizen Soldier

I don’t think Singaporeans are not competitive. We work hard and we work smart. But it sucks when you compete with one hand tied behind your back i.e. NS obligations, annual ICT, recall manning that makes you less attractive to the employer versus a PR who doesn’t have to serve NS.

I for one think it’s a myth that all SIngaporeans are not hungry enough. There will be some who are content with status quo, but many strive to better themselves to compete against this flood of foreigners coming to compete for us on unequal footing.

Majullah SIngapura

]]> By: Muhammad Shamin http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27190 Muhammad Shamin Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:33:05 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27190 What about the fourth scenario, The People's Uprising? What about the fourth scenario, The People’s Uprising?

]]> By: naeropagnislaer http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/16/the-pap-in-crisis-part-4-likely-post-lky-scenario-and-implications-for-singapore/comment-page-1/#comment-27189 naeropagnislaer Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:26:13 +0000 http://temasekreview.com/?p=13598#comment-27189 This article seems to repeat what already happening and not really predict and analyze all the possible scenarios after MM Lee. The article is superficial and without depth of analysis. The author needs more research and thinking. Anyway, MIW fails to build the nation if the politics is not mature after 40 years. Total failure! This article seems to repeat what already happening and not really predict and analyze all the possible scenarios after MM Lee. The article is superficial and without depth of analysis. The author needs more research and thinking.

Anyway, MIW fails to build the nation if the politics is not mature after 40 years. Total failure!

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