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	<title>Comments on: ST Forum to be used in schools to teach National Education</title>
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		<title>By: csl</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/09/st-forum-to-be-used-in-schools-to-teach-national-education/comment-page-1/#comment-26245</link>
		<dc:creator>csl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point admin,

I do wonder if our market is capable of keeping 2 news media content providers. When SPH ran their own TV stations, both Mediacrap (I hardly watch their homemade programs) and them barely kept the act up.

The competition did make programs very interesting and some improvement was made. Until they merged and things went back to square one.

CNA throws more resources into their news procurement but is hardly a competitor since its part of Mediacrap. For one they hardly do enough for local current affairs commentary if they even do any. Most of their local related programming is concentrated on social issues when they could have done more.

As for fair and independant-&quot;ness&quot;, media tends to take sides when it comes to issues. I tend to see if they are actually critical of their own governments. From what I have seen so far, the BBC and the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) are both fully government funded and they produce some of the most compelling views of their own government that would put the likes of Fox in shame.

I do not blame Utusan for its present state after all its a paper funded by UMNO itself. Fox is a privatised broadcaster which was blatantly aligned with the Bush administration to spread pro-war messages. Media over there tend to be left or right so I guess the viewers just have to like what they see to choose which they want. While sadly unless you have cable tv @ home and like me you like Taiwanese news there is not much of a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point admin,</p>
<p>I do wonder if our market is capable of keeping 2 news media content providers. When SPH ran their own TV stations, both Mediacrap (I hardly watch their homemade programs) and them barely kept the act up.</p>
<p>The competition did make programs very interesting and some improvement was made. Until they merged and things went back to square one.</p>
<p>CNA throws more resources into their news procurement but is hardly a competitor since its part of Mediacrap. For one they hardly do enough for local current affairs commentary if they even do any. Most of their local related programming is concentrated on social issues when they could have done more.</p>
<p>As for fair and independant-&#8221;ness&#8221;, media tends to take sides when it comes to issues. I tend to see if they are actually critical of their own governments. From what I have seen so far, the BBC and the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) are both fully government funded and they produce some of the most compelling views of their own government that would put the likes of Fox in shame.</p>
<p>I do not blame Utusan for its present state after all its a paper funded by UMNO itself. Fox is a privatised broadcaster which was blatantly aligned with the Bush administration to spread pro-war messages. Media over there tend to be left or right so I guess the viewers just have to like what they see to choose which they want. While sadly unless you have cable tv @ home and like me you like Taiwanese news there is not much of a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: fpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>fpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//Douglas 

how did you know that/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Douglas </p>
<p>how did you know that/</p>
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		<title>By: Fairplayplease</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fairplayplease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas Chia on Thu, 10th Sep 2009 2:55 pm ...greetings...

CNN, BBC, Australian Network, China International (Eng), etc. dealt mainly with foreign news, how often they cover Singapore news in depth with any precision too?  ST isn&#039;t big enough to have roam global journalists to cover news in every corner of the world.

For local news on socio-political front on Singapore, it is the same diet from SPH which some don&#039;t find it exactly the flavour of the day or the month at all.

I disagree with you on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas Chia on Thu, 10th Sep 2009 2:55 pm &#8230;greetings&#8230;</p>
<p>CNN, BBC, Australian Network, China International (Eng), etc. dealt mainly with foreign news, how often they cover Singapore news in depth with any precision too?  ST isn&#8217;t big enough to have roam global journalists to cover news in every corner of the world.</p>
<p>For local news on socio-political front on Singapore, it is the same diet from SPH which some don&#8217;t find it exactly the flavour of the day or the month at all.</p>
<p>I disagree with you on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Chia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Chia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admin

&quot;The problem with SPH is that it has none&quot;

Sorri mate. I disagree.

This is the digital age. All broadband comes with CNN, BBC, Australian Network, China International (Eng), etc., with minimal cost as part &amp; parcel of the package.

I have given up hope on the Western media when I found that they literally do a cut and pasts esp CNN on the Tibet riot to maliagn China (incidentally a yellow race challenging the white men economic supremacy is quite untenable if you appreciate history).

So?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin</p>
<p>&#8220;The problem with SPH is that it has none&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorri mate. I disagree.</p>
<p>This is the digital age. All broadband comes with CNN, BBC, Australian Network, China International (Eng), etc., with minimal cost as part &amp; parcel of the package.</p>
<p>I have given up hope on the Western media when I found that they literally do a cut and pasts esp CNN on the Tibet riot to maliagn China (incidentally a yellow race challenging the white men economic supremacy is quite untenable if you appreciate history).</p>
<p>So?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi csl,

There is no such thing as a fair and independent media. 

Both Fox and Utusan have competitors. The problem with SPH is that it has none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi csl,</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a fair and independent media. </p>
<p>Both Fox and Utusan have competitors. The problem with SPH is that it has none.</p>
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		<title>By: csl</title>
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		<dc:creator>csl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that we have our own &quot;tin foil hat&quot; problems. While I would agree that our MSMs are on the conservative side and I do feel that its really high time we introduce more cynicism into our media practises. Students are also taught to see both sides of the coin even if it is done through using articles about other countries and other democracies.

JC students for example have to do assignments regarding human rights (even in local terms).

I do remember an incident from my uni days abroad. A housemate asked me what &quot;politically correct&quot; meant. Being too politically correct is a problem that is recognised as such in places like Australia for example. One does not get a sense of it here.

In any case, its not like there are no biases abroad. Fox news for example is notorious for being a gahment mouth piece. I will not go into papers like Utusan and the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that we have our own &#8220;tin foil hat&#8221; problems. While I would agree that our MSMs are on the conservative side and I do feel that its really high time we introduce more cynicism into our media practises. Students are also taught to see both sides of the coin even if it is done through using articles about other countries and other democracies.</p>
<p>JC students for example have to do assignments regarding human rights (even in local terms).</p>
<p>I do remember an incident from my uni days abroad. A housemate asked me what &#8220;politically correct&#8221; meant. Being too politically correct is a problem that is recognised as such in places like Australia for example. One does not get a sense of it here.</p>
<p>In any case, its not like there are no biases abroad. Fox news for example is notorious for being a gahment mouth piece. I will not go into papers like Utusan and the others.</p>
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		<title>By: sandra742</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandra742</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post&#8230; nice! I love your blog.  <img src='http://www.temasekreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers! Sandra. R.</p>
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		<title>By: Exposer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exposer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ace Kindred Chong and co’s articles gonna become a teaching materials for the young?&quot;

Surely these Pappy clowns&#039; articles must be included as a model of how not to write article that turn one into mindless zombies which surely get Fail grade by international standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ace Kindred Chong and co’s articles gonna become a teaching materials for the young?&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely these Pappy clowns&#8217; articles must be included as a model of how not to write article that turn one into mindless zombies which surely get Fail grade by international standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairplayplease</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/09/st-forum-to-be-used-in-schools-to-teach-national-education/comment-page-1/#comment-26115</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairplayplease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the kids go home and talk rubbish from their forum class (corrected by their internet savvy parents at home), the teachers could all look PRETTY STUPID the next day under cross-examination and NO MORE RESPECT of a source of learning, MOE would have to hire thousands of part-time spin doctors to spin lies over lies for this subject.

What would be the morale consequence for learning and respect for all the other subject teachers?

When you play with fire and it burns out of control, you know who gets burn right?? You reap what you sow - deservingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the kids go home and talk rubbish from their forum class (corrected by their internet savvy parents at home), the teachers could all look PRETTY STUPID the next day under cross-examination and NO MORE RESPECT of a source of learning, MOE would have to hire thousands of part-time spin doctors to spin lies over lies for this subject.</p>
<p>What would be the morale consequence for learning and respect for all the other subject teachers?</p>
<p>When you play with fire and it burns out of control, you know who gets burn right?? You reap what you sow &#8211; deservingly.</p>
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		<title>By: sgcynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgcynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather schools use a variety of articles, including those from this website and the TOC, to give different, well-argued perspectives. That would be helping students&#039; critical thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather schools use a variety of articles, including those from this website and the TOC, to give different, well-argued perspectives. That would be helping students&#8217; critical thinking.</p>
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