btan on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 11:26 am 

I serve national service is to protect my country from foreign invasion.

If the army is ever called in to suppress the people, I will never answer that call.

Who in their right mind would shoot their own brother, father, sister, mother, wife and children?

blocking power? on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 12:06 pm 

“The President with blocking powers was put in place to prevent the opposition from depleting the reserves if they come to power.”

We don’t need opposition to help us deplete our reserves, the present government already doing it for us!

Either the President’s blocking powers are not as effective or he is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Hairy talking cork on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 12:11 pm 

Talking Cork 1
The President with blocking powers was put in place to prevent the opposition from depleting the reserves if they come to power.

Who block PAP from depleting our reserves? Which is daughter in law already did

Talking Cork 2
MM Lee claimed the PAP has maintained “a system which gives any opposition the opportunity to displace” them peacefully.

Using defamation lawsuits to silence them is indeed peaceful,for vampire lee that is.

Talking cork 3
“Please do not assume you can change governments. Young people don’t understand this.”

Please don’t assume you can rule SG like family business, despot don’t understand this

Talking cork 4
If Singaporeans feel that the PAP is unfit to rule, they have every right to vote them out.

I would live to kick your sorry ass out but I have no chance to vote for the pass few GE. Don’t talk cork about rights here.

Talking cork 5
At the end of the day, MM Lee still haven’t answered Catherine Lim’s question: will he send in the army in the event of a “freak election”?

The only freak here is a vampire who refuse to die and continue to suck the daylight out of SG.

Ian On The Red Dot :: How To Send In The Army In Case PAP Loses The Election on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 12:14 pm 

[...] Apparently Catherine Lim asked Minister Mentor whether the military would be sent in on the really slim chance that the PAP loses an election. [...]

Albino Lizard on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 12:19 pm 

““Without the elected president and if there is a freak result, within two or three years, the army have to come in and stop it.””

questions , questions , questions.

1. what is meant SPECIFICALLY by a FREAK election result?

2. How does he know the President would exercise that given that it would then be up to him decide?

Vote of Opposition on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 12:28 pm 

“The PAP is only a political party. It has to play strictly by the rules. Whether the election is “freak” or not, it is up to the people who decide and not the PAP or MM Lee. If Singaporeans feel that the PAP is unfit to rule, they have every right to vote them out.”

Well written!

cy on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 1:11 pm 

he is insinuating that army head/civil service head / president are PAP’s henchmen and will protect PAP’s interests if freak results appear.

by saying that PAP will return after one term of “freak” ruling by opposition party, he is claiming the omnipotency and superiority of a PAP govt. Is it true that the new govt will fritter away the reserves as he claimed? i am sure the ppl’s eyes are bright enough to monitor the new govt. if the new govt really behaves as he said, even w/o a president checking power, the ppl will push the new govt out by voting in PAP in the next round.

btan on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 1:39 pm 

@Ian on the Dot

I have read your article and although at first glance, it seems like a typical kiasu singaporean will answer to a mobilisation call. Don’t forget, by answering to such a call to stage a coup, you are in fact support a REBELLION which is TREASON. You will be supporting a former government to overthrow a LEGALLY-ELECTED government to overthrow it.

Kiasu and kiasi Singaporeans has to bear this in mind if you decide to support a coup to overthrow the LEGAL government of that day.

The penalty for rebellion is capital punishment.

canois on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 1:43 pm 

i believe Singaporeans are asking for facts and figures as well as transparency.. but seems that some authorities or bodies can’t even give us that when Singaporeans have repeatedly ask for them. this is the problem cos there’s no strong opp voice in parliament to ask for it.

Anonymous on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 2:34 pm 

There is no such thing as freak result in elections. If the opposition party’s victory in election is considered as “freak” result, then how can one said that PAP’s victory is not “freak”??

80%-90% of SAF troops consist of mainly NSFs and NSmen who got no choice got to serve in the army. The army can ask them to shoot target board, shoot blanks and play wargame. If they really ask the NSFs and NSmen to shoot human, especially fellow Singaporeans who may be their friends and relatives do you think they want?

In such extreme circumstances, they will rather choose to go AWOL or report sick to avoid getting involved. Which is cheaper? To be charge for AWOL or to risk getting charge in civil court for murder and be hanged?

malaysian on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 2:39 pm 

wow, his statement sounded like those in UMNO who will make such statement.

In the event UMNO lose the election, they might send in the army and police to take over.

crashed on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 3:07 pm 

Sending in the ARMY in the event of a Freak election?

That’s a Highfalutin Idea…

John Doe on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 3:17 pm 

Hi,

It appears that MM Lee did provide an oblique answer of sorts to Catherine Lim’s question about whether the PAP government would send in the army in the event of a “freak election”.

MM Lee acknowledged that the army would not act in the interest of the party that has been voted out of power if there are no possibilities of a peaceful transition of power.

Said MM Lee:”One of the first lessons I learnt in politics was from Harold Laski. He said if you don’t have a system that allows fundamental change by consent, you will have a revolution by violence. If we block all possibilities, we must expect violence. In that violence, eventually the army won’t shoot because you are in the wrong. That’s what happens in Africa, the army goes in and holds up the president and often shoots him.”

hahaha on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 4:56 pm 

“Please do not assume you can change governments. Young people don’t understand this.”

By now, you all should know why we have so many FTs…if u dun understand PAP, PAP will find someone elswhere who will…

Sturmtruppen on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 5:13 pm 

if there is a freak result, and another new party comes in to govern singapore…dun forget the new incumbents will have to fight thru & work against the entrenched odds of the left behind obstacles, red tape and entrenched pro-pap loyalists already in the civil service/other governining bodies of the previous party.

So naturally, after 4 years….pap will win and come back on board after that 4 years later election.

interesting.

sad.

Sink-A-Poor on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 5:20 pm 

Wow.. he seeks to control both money (ie. national reserves) & power (ie. army)!?

A (new) elected govt without control over the national reserve & army, is no government at all!!

X man on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 5:24 pm 

44 years of PAP despotic rule is in itself a freak result.
Father, son and daughter-in-law running state funds is a freak arrangement.

81 PAP goons in parliament without a mind of their own is a freak democracy.

GRCs, intimidation tactics, election dept under PMO, etc, is a freak election system.

Non accountability, selective transparency is a freak system of governance.

A compliant media and judiciary is a freak system of truth and justice.

The idea of calling in the army when one loses badly in an election is a reflection of one with a freak mind.

The most likely outcome in such a freak military scenario is decent NS men turning their guns on the PAPie freaks.

坡仔哥哥 on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 6:27 pm 

1. LKY clearly understood that he mis-spoke about that commnet to send in the army.

a. He already does not have that power to do so. The Singapore Armed Forces will not move just because LKY says so

b. It is true, after reading his answer to Catherine Lim, he nevered answered the question…knowing LKY’s character and temper, he will answer directly any question, if he is clear that he is right or he can get away with it.

c. Even if somehow, the Armed Forces is send it…He knows in his heart it is a wrong decision.

d. Singapore will die a rapid political death, isolated from International circles, embargoed till our pants drop and we will proabbly crawl back to Malaysia to survive once again….

all this just b/c an opposition party got voted in?

2. The last time such a thing happened was the Tiananmen incident which Chairman Deng send in the tanks with shoot to kill instructions to stamp the student demonstrations. The result is still a scar in the history of the Communist Party.

No good came out of it after that…

anon on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 6:36 pm 

“80%-90% of SAF troops consist of mainly NSFs and NSmen who got no choice got to serve in the army. The army can ask them to shoot target board, shoot blanks and play wargame. If they really ask the NSFs and NSmen to shoot human, especially fellow Singaporeans who may be their friends and relatives do you think they want? ”

True, but don’t forget there’s the Gurkha contingent….

btan on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 7:28 pm 

The Gurkhas are police. Would they break the law of supporting an illegal order against a legally voted government?

If they dare, it means a foreign invasion orchestrated by a former regime. SAF will have to step in on the order of the newly elected government to deal with them.

THAT is what SAF is for.

Anonymous on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 7:48 pm 

He does not have to send in the Army at all when he has the Gurkhas. Those young, naive Nepalese young men were made to sign a declaration of allegiance to the political party, instead of to the state or (non-existent) Constitution.

If any of our paper scholar generals have got half a brain, maybe they might mobilize the troops and would rather risk an ugly civil war gunning down the party’s personal Gurkha army.

Alan Wong on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 8:28 pm 

How sure are we that PAP has not been hoarding our reserves away in the name of investment losses ? It’s so easy to set up bogus companies and appoint nominees to be in charge ? Didn’t they try to do it in with the Thai investments ?

Come to think of it, nobody is any wiser as to the actual truth ? As they say it, there are many ways to skin the tiger. I suspect LKY is not a person likely to take any chances especially with the possible change of Govt as happened in Malaysia, Taiwan, Japan ?

Maybe that’s why he need to put his daughter-in-law to be in charge ? And it is also possible that’s why Goodyear is not good enough for the CEO post ?

Afterall, politicians are known to be scrupulous, you know.

c-p-k on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 9:52 pm 

It is now clear that the army was set up to stop a freak election result. And what is a freak result? When the opposition wins. Put the two together and what do you have? In spite of the one man one vote system, the opposition will never be allowed to win. If it does, the army will be called in to stop it.

So this is the Grand Strategy of the ole one. Are we talking of a freaky election result or a freaky mind?

The President is there to stop the opposition from depleting the reserves if they come into power. What if the papsies deplete the reserves? Who is there to stop them? Again, whoever came up with this scheme must indeed have a freaky mind!

XiSd Tay on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 10:24 pm 

Actually, what he basically is saying is that since all the key appointment is appointed by the President, even if the PaPies is voted out of power and by then he would already have made himself the President, he will still have the powers, as president to make things very very difficult for the new gahment so much so that the people will have no choice but to vote the PaPies back into power.

anon on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 10:31 pm 

The PAP MACHINERY is all across this small little island after being in power for 50 years. Their own people are in control of the army, finance (GIC, Temasek), statutory boards and the Presidency. If the opposition takes over in a freak election, the PAP people can obstruct the new administration in the transitional period which may stretch until the next election. As long as they control the army, finance (GIC, Temasek), statutory boards and the Presidency, there is little that the new government can do. Look at Potong Pasir and Hougang. They represent Singapore on a bigger scale if it is under the opposition. Chiam See Tong could not even plant a tree in his own constituency!!!!! They can create havoc in the country such the people would be disappointed enough to vote them in 4 years’ time. We have seen enough of this in all governments in the world….it is diry business.

matt on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 10:31 pm 

one thing i remember clearly :

we swore to defend, with our lives;

the People,

the President,

and the Constitution of Singapore.

nothing else.

XiSd Tay on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 10:36 pm 

btan said: The Gurkhas are police.

Correction here. Gurkhas are NOT police, they do not fall under the Police Force. Sinkapore has Gurkhas in every vital and major institution and technically, they are all under MHA.

Anonymous on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 10:40 pm 

army? me oso army. i think if the army gets sent in, everybody will just get ATT C. haha. leekuanyew is just like one of those lame army jokes. fuck yew pap. lee kuan yew din even serve ns. I WILL NEVER PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE HIM.

Patriotism is an act not a virtue. on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 11:42 pm 

So out of context this article. I`m not a PAP supporter by the way. But the truth must not be twisted please refer to the original article.(http://singaporeenquirer.sg/?p=4512) MM Lee stated that the army will be involved should there be escalated violence brought about by demonstrations like we saw in Thailand recently.

“Without the elected president and if there is a freak result, within two or three years, the army have to come in and stop it.” He did not mention anything about the army intervening in a freak election.
What he actually stated.
“What if we have a freak election, as we may well have? Many voters say openly: ‘In my family, three of us voted for you but two voted against, just to let you know that we want an opposition voice.’ In that situation, you may have a freak result. That worries me. So we’ve set in place a President with blocking powers. Any opposition that comes in will find that he cannot touch the reserves, otherwise you can promise the sky and spend the money. And all our hard-earned savings will go in five years.”
With regards to the army`s involvement:
“One of the first lessons I learnt in politics was from Harold Laski. He said if you don’t have a system that allows fundamental change by consent, you will have a revolution by violence. If we block all possibilities, we must expect violence. In that violence, eventually the army won’t shoot because you are in the wrong. That’s what happens in Africa, the army goes in and holds up the president and often shoots him.”

A system that allows fundamental change by consent-refers to democratic elections.

A revolution by violence-refers to violent demonstrations.
In that violence, eventually the army won’t shoot because you are in the wrong -refers to him recognizing the fact SAF troops would not fire on their own fellow Singaporeans.

That’s what happens in Africa, the army goes in and holds up the president and often shoots him-refers to troops eventually turning against their government.

Now tell me did even Catherine Lim verify this article as posted by Temasek Review?
That aside thanks for putting up this website as what this country need are opposition voices. But the voices must of those who are well read and not simply some disgrunted individual who has not any effort or so to improve his or her own life.

Anonymous on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 12:11 am 

Come men, when u loses the grip of Singapore just take it. Don’t be a cry baby. Soon or later u still loose the grip maybe 10 years, 20 years, 30 years down the road. If a good garmen will not last long. This is politic men there is a black sheep among white sheep. hahahaha

admin on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 12:36 am 

Hi Patriot,

Thanks for your feedback.

Do you understand the meaning of “sidetrack”?

According to the Longman Dictionary of English, sidetrack means “to cause to leave one subject or activity and follow another less important one.”

Catherine Lim asked a very simple question to MM Lee – will he call in the army in the event of a freak election?

A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.

Instead MM Lee choose to dwell on less important, if not relevant issues like revolution in Africa. How does this answer Catherine Lim’s question?

Obviously he knew he was wrong to say that in 2006, but dare not retract his earlier statement due to fear of loss of “face”, so he has to do it subtlely in a merry-go-round which again only leaves the reader guessing his real intention and answer.

And why should we verify anything with Catherine Lim? These are her exact words used and publicized by the media. Did Chua Lee Hong check with any psychiatrist before she label Dr Chee as suffering from narcissistic personality disorder openly in the Straits Times?

Please read through the article carefully again. If there is still anything you do not understand, there is always Longman dictionary or Google.

And lastly FYI, we are not disgruntled individuals with an axe to grind with the government or anybody. You are probably the one who needs to improve yourself, at least in your English comprehension skills.

ENGINE on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 1:04 am 

I serve to protect the nation from militant threats. If the SAF is mobilised to move in on a duly-elected government, I will absolutely refuse to answer.

Rainnix on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 1:30 am 

Actually the “freak election” happened in 2006. With 33.3% of the voters voted for the opposition, opposition candidates only won 2 seats out of the 84 seats in parliament. If this is not a freak result, then what is?

When the peoples’ wishes are not represented, a bigger backlash will happen in the next poll like Japan’s example. Too bad we have a PM that cannot handle more than 5 or 10 oppositions in the parliament. If there are more oppositions in the parliament right now, there will be less frustrations on the streets as these oppositions will help to voice people views, pushing for transparency, accountability etc.

If the President is there to stop the opposition from depleting the reserves if they come into power, now who exactly is this President working for? For the country or for the PAP? This is clearly insulting to Pres Nathan that he is LKY’s puppet.

The President will have to come out to make a statement that he will not take orders from the PAP and especially from dirty Harry himself.

The Wobbly Guy on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 2:17 am 

I was there. His answer was clearly a no. Then he gave his reasons:

1. He had put in other safeguards, like the Presidency, that essentially superceded and is probably more effective than calling in the army.

2. The army, even if called in, would not obey the PAP. Will of the people, and all that.

On hindsight, I should have gone up to the mike earlier and asked my question about the West and not allowed Catherine Lim to resume that tired old verbal sparring match.

Stanley on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 3:12 am 

Please understand that in national service,

you serve the PAP, not Singapore.

what_coup? on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 6:18 am 

Why you all so stupid as to believe Harry’s rubbish about calling in the army, ah? It’s sheer fantasy, wishful thinking.

For heaven’s sake, when another party is voted in, it forms the government, right? It takes all the levers of power into its hands, right? Do you really think they’d be so naive as to be dumb figureheads allowing civil servants to continue to pull the strings in favour of the previous party? Please! First to get the chop will be PAP’s Perm Secs.

Who’s the new Defence minister? A PAP man? No. Would anyone defy his authority and attempt a coup? Not without risking a court martial and a lifetime in jail or the hangman’s rope for treason. Can you see any of our paper BG’s willing to stick their necks on the line for a political party that is no longer in power? One that citizens hated enough to vote out?

As for the Gurkhas, a mercenary force, who pays their salary? The political party which has just been kicked out or the new Minister for Home Affairs? They can be dismissed from service at the stroke of a pen and they’re smart enough to understand which side their bread is buttered on. There is simply NO way the Gurkhas will obey orders other than those from their paymasters: the new ones.

The party that forms the new government has all the power of the state at its disposal. Tremendous power. Enough to impeach any President who tries to obstruct it, enough to dig up evidence of his past misdeeds that will convict him and make him legitimately unfit to hold the office of President, enough to force his resignation. Will the new President be a PAP man? What do you think?

An incumbent government can make anyone’s life miserable if it so wishes, including the President’s if you remember Ong Teng Cheong. Why do you think LKY can’t afford to give up power under any circumstances? The first thing a new incoming government would do is chop off his life-support, strangle his freedom to manoeuvre, and tie him up in court proceedings. With his dodgy track record that will be as easy as ABC and there won’t be any legal chicanery like summary judgements and kangaroo courts to shield him any longer. He can’t organise a street demonstration of his supporters – it’s illegal according to his own laws! No, LKY knows that if PAP ever falls from grace, he is FINISHED.

Believe his silly attempts to psycho you if you want to, but the fact is that when his party is voted out, IT…IS…DEFINITELY…OUT, and there’s no two ways of looking at it. PAP cannot afford to lose a ‘free and fair’ election in Singapore – ever – so you can expect every dirty trick in the book.

MM lee HAS BEEN ... on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 8:37 am 

FREAKING talking-cock for DECADES By NOW GUYS & GALS … And the average singaporeans by and large HAVE BEEN “FREAKING-CONNED” BY AN OLD DOX who IS EXTREMELY-good AT THAT.

BUT NOW … As its been said too … “ALL good things will come to an end” … HE’ll STILL BE Freeeeaking OUT TILL HE EXPIRES …as he now doesn’t have his wife around to give him wisdom haw!!! … She is sadly in Renci Hospital next to their daughter Lee Wei Ling’s National NeuroScience Research Unit!!!

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAK OUT mmlee!!! AS you don’t necessarily have a lot of time left … and please do yourself this very last favour as that’s what you enjoy the most in life YAH!!!

The BIG FISH “EATING” the small fishes who put you Uup dAre for so long from fear to shivers et cetera if they don’t???

I’m stopping here as … if I don’t … I be freeeeeaking OuT my own life just for the sake of your FREEEEEEEEEEEEEAkInG ‘good’ one!!! Just another view … another opinion haw … And we presume YOU CAN ALLOW THIS FOR “your brand of DEmOCkracy???

admin on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 9:07 am 

Hi Wobbly,

That’s not a clear “no”. He did not say: “I will never call in the army”. or “I made a mistake in my earlier statement.”

The oblique and indirect answer is another of his classic method of obfuscating the issue to confuse and mislead the audience.

There are no possibilities here:

1. LKY realized his folly in saying that he would call in the army if the PAP loses power via a freak election and is now trying to extricate and dissociate himself from it without losing face.

2. The answer he gave was merely to placate his critics and soothe the nerves of young Singaporeans who are offended by it without giving anything away. He did not renounce the use of violence to subvert an elected government in the future.

This infamous remark of him has been circulating around in cyberspace for quite some time.

As an asute politician, LKY is surely aware of its political repercussions and the damage done to the PAP’s image. His answer is no more than damage control and the state media expectedly dedicate one entire article on it to clear up the “misunderstanding”.

In other democracies like Japan and Taiwan, LKY will be forced to apologize to the people for his gaffe. The fact that there is not even an furore in Singapore is a testimony of the political apathy of our citizens. One day, even if the army is called, they will stand idly by and do nothing.

FPC on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 9:46 am 

I don’t see anything clever about his statement/reply.

sheldon on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 10:03 am 

what mr harry lee is saying is

jangan takut.

for those who really want to vote opposition but scared things will go chaotic, it’s okay, i have placed safeguards , just go ahead and vote for them.

like this lah.

jolly on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 10:50 am 

i think the majority of citizens are being marginalised except those dependent on the iron rice bowls. how will the army ever rise up against his own people when they jolly well aware of the whole truth.

Maybe the gurka contingent will come. this is the foreign talented soldiers that the present govt has fed and kept till they are fat. I can see many gurkas enjoying themselves with the street workers in geylang than locals do.

as time is running out fast i hope to see infighting in the party. this will come about as they are all power crazy.

Janice Wee on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 10:50 am 

No one is stopping anyone from voting in the opposition to manage one’s ward.
At the end of the day it’s abt money ($$$). Do you pay more say conservancy charges and your garbage not cleared, block not facelifted, lift not serviced, estate not landscaped, accesssibility lacking, etc.?

The choice is yours. Mine is clear. NOT MY WARD, YOURS PLEASE.

We in Bt Batok tasted Ling How Dong and he now never dared showed up in Bt Batok (after collecting his MP’s pay for 5 years). The rest is history. We made a bad mistake. Slogans and promises in campaigns are only empty is one’s lack the capacity and capability. It’s darn EASY TO CRITICISE AND COMPLAIN for sure. Our funds went red and many things remained undone and a higher levy was necessary for all the constitutients ultimately.

We need money (economies of scale) to manage an estate well. The PAP has that. And that’s the fact of life – MONEY. Just a piece of friendly advice – Vote in the Opposition BUT ELSEWHERE.

Jezebella on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 11:19 am 

Those comments aren’t new, I believe they are quite some time ago. But whenever I think of it, it’s really upsetting.

Nothing can be more TREACHEROUS than what he said about holding back the progress of Singapore and Singaporeans, to the point of causing everything here to just crash and burn, just to prove his point that the opposition is incompetent, though at the end of the day the incompetency would come from the filthy tricks called “safeguards”.

That is a betrayal to the voting system and the Singaporeans.

Freak result or not, he just have to get lost and hand total power over whether he likes it or not. That’s what elections are for. If he can’t even do that and has to even resort to calling in the army or whatever, can he just tell us straight to the face we are actually under a dictatorship?

Can he? Please? At least Singaporeans won’t be confused any more.

qq on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 11:33 am 

Dear What Coup,

Winning the election does not mean that the opposition automatically inherits all the power of the state.

As long as the PAP have enough sympathisers in key positions at various institutions, it is possible to obstruct and discredit the opposition and mount a comeback. Unless those people running the institution are themselves not very loyal to the PAP, then perhaps PAP will really be fininshed.

And I believe in terms of politics, the real issue that Singaporeans need to focus on is not just voting in opposition party, but also fixing our institutions to make sure they are strong, free from corruption and independent.

Jail hairy on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 12:08 pm 

The first order of business for the newly elected opposition gov, is to take control of ISD / CPIB and the judiciary.

Operation cold store 2, to weed out corrupted officials and put them under house arrest pending investigation, since we are going to take many man years, they have to prepare to stay under house arrest, without trial under the existing ISD law.

This is necessary to prevent politicians from using their influence to stage a coup and destabilize the country for a political comeback.

1st person on the list, your guess is as good as mine.

sheldon on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 12:23 pm 

janice wee

i understand your concern.

but no worries, this time, no more ling how dong liao. how about this:

if the opposition guarantee will do a good job managing your ward, will you vote for them?

just doing a survey.

btan on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 12:57 pm 

@ Janice Lee

“No one is stopping anyone from voting in the opposition to manage one’s ward.
At the end of the day it’s abt money ($$$). Do you pay more say conservancy charges and your garbage not cleared, block not facelifted, lift not serviced, estate not landscaped, accesssibility lacking, etc.?”

Funny you say this. My ward is a PAP ward. I paid a lot of CC, sometimes in advance. The garbage along my flat’s common corridors are still not cleared, floors not washed. Entire estate is a mess. Promise lift upgrading (even throw a party to get people to vote), one year later, still no action. While newer flats along the road get the “wayang priority” to get upgraded. Those inner flat, no news.

Want to vote for PAP? Sorry, not in my ward but ELSEWHERE (Antarctica would be best)

cy on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 2:08 pm 

to janice wee,

you are right to be angry about that idiotic ling,he is like the rat shit that spoil the opposition soup but there are also good opposition mps around like low and chiam, their constituency is on par with PAP’s ones. if they have more resources, surely they can do better.

do not 一竹竿打翻一船人.

cy on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 2:15 pm 

kwa geok choo in renci? anyone can confirm?

Rubbish on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 2:19 pm 

Look at Myammar now, ASSK was a result of “freak election”, hence thrown in Jail till now, and our dear Lau Goh also said she is the problem! World community kow peh kow bu, so what? The Junta continues to enjoy Caviers & Red Wines……Like Mao said, the power comes from the gun barrels….

Blowme on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 3:21 pm 

@ Janice Wee,
The PAP has money, that’s right, our money !
Just as Ho Ching has lost $40 BILLION, also our money !
Any freaking idea what this $40B can do for all HDB estates ?

If Ho Ching and her father-in-law continue to lose more of our money, your beloved MM Lee’s prediction that our wives and daughters becoming maids may just come true.

c-p-k on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 3:38 pm 

Janice Wee,

You can vote for anyone you like. It’s called democracy. But why do you say the money belongs to Pap? Why are you relegating your money to Pap? It’s OUR money, for crying out loud! Unless,of course, you are Pap….

Admin,

I do not agree that Lky’s statement was at all clever. If you called it cunning, manipulative, then you can have my vote.

cy on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 4:11 pm 

to janice wee

this is what i got from wikipedia, ling should be from bukit gombak,not bukit batok as you claimed. you don’t even know your constituency and you dare to pass judgement.

Ling How Doong (Chinese: 林孝谆, born c. 1934) is a Singaporean politician. In 1991 Ling won 51.4% of votes against People’s Action Party’s (PAP) candidate, Dr Seet Ai Mee, who had obtained 48.6%, and Bukit Gombak became one of only four constituencies held by the opposition. In the 1997 General Election, Ling lost his seat to PAP’s Ang Mong Seng in a three cornered fight, receiving only 28.4% of the vote

Darth Vader on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 5:05 pm 

Janice Wee, I assume you are very young. You are definitely an ignoramus if you think that only the PAP can run a constituency properly. Why do you think Low Thia Khiang is so popular in Hougang? It’s because he runs the constituency well, that’s why. His PAP predecessor Tang Guan Seng was never around for meet-the-people sessions. He kept jacking up conservancy charges every now and then. Despite having the highest conservancy charges in the country, under Tang, Hougang estate was never kept clean. Rubbish would accumulate in the streets for days on end uncleared. The only time the estate is ever cleaned is when there is a ministerial visit.

The best part of it all, then-PM Goh Chok Tong condemned the residents of Hougang as ingrates for voting Tang Guan Seng out of office after his mismanagement of the estate. True, Tang had built up the reserves of the constituency, but with the residents’ money and his refusal to use the money to maintain the estate. And he did it to show that he had the potential to be a future Finance Minister, not to serve the needs of the residents. Tang was made Secretary in the Prime Minister’s Office after the election, and according to the people of Hougang, if PM Goh thinks Tang is that good, he can keep Tang for himself forever if he wanted, and good riddance to him too.

So, if Tang Guan Seng ran as the PAP candidate for Bukit Gombak, your home estate, would you still vote for him, now that you have been informed about how he misused the residents’ money to further his own personal ambitions?

P on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 5:12 pm 

maybe the army should go to Oxley and tell him he’s not the general.

mike on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 5:28 pm 

i am one who curious if ever there is army called for as he claimed. i served in NS. it will be interesting.

let’s see who has got the ultimate power.

Anonymous on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 5:44 pm 

P,

His son is Commander In Chief of SAF.

His son din said nothing about tt statement.

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P on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 5:12 pm

maybe the army should go to Oxley and tell him he’s not the general

Anonymous on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 5:48 pm 

Our army regulars also a bunch of good-for-nothing! Only wayang like their political master! At the end, it is the NSFs and NSmen that make up the SAF! The value of SAF comes from Singaporeans who are NSFs and NSmen, not the regulars who had to be paid a premium above market rate in order to serve the country, while the NSFs and NSmen are only given a meager allowance!

c-p-k on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 10:00 pm 

I think sending in the army is a small matter.

Especially if you take into consideration his threat

that he will rise from his grave.

grammatical correction on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 11:40 pm 

first PAP exploits us men to waste 2.5 years of our prime doing some useless national service.

now PAP wants us men to wear number 4 and shoot our own family and relatives when election results are anomalous.

Anonymous on Sat, 5th Sep 2009 12:30 am 

There is a good reason why LHL and LHY are BGs. Even if there’s a coup, their ranks can easily handle the situation.

Anonymous on Sat, 5th Sep 2009 2:46 pm 

SAF pledges its allegiance to the President of Singapore, not PAP, not MM Lee alone. Should the need arise for the President to send in the army, it is the duty of the soldiers to obey the orders. And who says you’ll have to shoot and uses lethal weapons against your own? Don’t you know that the SAF is now very advance and can afford a wide spectrum of operations during war or peacetime?

Python on Sat, 5th Sep 2009 6:05 pm 

Janice Wee -

Understand your fustration, but take a l@@k at toa payoh lor 8, with less $, it is still operational, imagine standing at lor 8 while looking at lor 7? it is like, lor 8 belongs to another country. Arent Lor 8 part of SG? why is it being so isolated till this extend?

no doubt, lao lee is a good leader, he make what SG is today, but it seems like over the times, things are getting ridiculous & out of hand. Everything is rising & yet he can say is affordable.. are we living in the same SG as he is?

hmmm~

*no intentions of flaming, therefore don flame me tks”

Prophet Kongmin on Sun, 6th Sep 2009 10:07 pm 

The role of army is to protect the contry agst external threats, not internal. Internal security is the role of SPF. Why has army got to do with internal security? Even if it’s riots, demonstrations,etc, army has no role to play.

XiSd Tay on Mon, 7th Sep 2009 1:19 am 

Blowme said: If Ho Ching and her father-in-law continue to lose more of our money, your beloved MM Lee’s prediction that our wives and daughters becoming maids may just come true.

That will be the better side of things if it ever happen, with the influx of more chinamen and meis meis, I won’t be surprised to see Sinkaporean women ploughing the streets in geylang and chinamen turned sinkaporeans/PR ‘visiting’ them.

anonymous on Mon, 7th Sep 2009 5:46 am 

Why is an election called a freak election whenever the ruling party loses? Mobutu called his lost election a freak election.
Also, when Idi Amin of Uganda lost in a general election he also called it a “freak” election.
Freak election was what happened in Burma (Myanmar) in 1990 when the Burmese army marched in and threw out Aung San Suu Kyi who won by an overwhelming majority.

Exposer on Mon, 7th Sep 2009 7:44 am 

“MM Lee acknowledged that the army would not act in the interest of the party that has been voted out of power if there are no possibilities of a peaceful transition of power.”

How stupid can people be in judging MM Lee’s character and his words ? MM Lee love to play with words and highfalutin nonsense. Yes, army would not act in interest of party, but how about the interest of government and Singapore ? LKY try to evade the question and sidestep the convenient truth. If there is a freak election, will LKY cleverly say that it is calling in army in interest of government and Singapore. Who are so stupid to say that they do it in the name of party ? LKY think that everyone here is a fool by giving his nonsense about calling army in interest in party which is obviously partisan.

Our day will come! on Mon, 7th Sep 2009 9:46 am 

Mdm Lee is not in Renci. She is in a vegetable state and is bed ridden at home. When some reporter asked LKY is Mrs lee going to celebrate CNY, his reply was she isn’t.

Co-incidentally estate duty has been abolished. She isn’t going to leave even one cent to the country. Patriotic?

Our day will come! on Mon, 7th Sep 2009 9:52 am 

c-p-k,
In history not many people rose physically from their graves. I can only think of Lazarus and Jesus.

Rowen on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 3:24 pm 

Good day fellow citizens.

I feel that the National service ensures 1 thing for certain it is that Singaporeans will never raise arms against Singaporeans.

If any despot or general of singapore gives an order to the millitary to raise arms or to attack the government which was just voted in, he is going against our singapore statutes 122.

Collecting arms, etc., with the intention of waging war against the Government
122. Whoever collects men, arms or ammunition or otherwise prepares to wage war, with the intention of either waging or being prepared to wage war against the Government, shall be punished with imprisonment for life or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 20 years, and shall also be liable to fine.
[51/2007]

I do not think the military will go against the voted in government.

However, if the voted government were to enact the ISA and request for the military to go and quell disorder of those who are voted out. that is another issue to address

mmm on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 6:36 pm 

if a freak election results in the like of Chee becoming PM, I support the MM/SM/PM taking control of the Armed Forces.

mmm on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 6:39 pm 

You should know who control the Armed Forces…we have a few BG ministers…if you guys cannot be relied upon to vote responsibly, then you don’t deserve democracy.

wow on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 6:54 pm 

//mmm

As if the BG know what they are doing.

Look at them now.

they are fat and lazy.

this is your standard of govt.

c-p-k on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 7:57 pm 

//mmm on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 6:36 pm

if a freak election results in the like of Chee becoming PM, I support the MM/SM/PM taking control of the Armed Forces.

mmm on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 6:39 pm

You should know who control the Armed Forces…we have a few BG ministers…if you guys cannot be relied upon to vote responsibly, then you don’t deserve democracy.//

Hello mmm, I can only presume that your sending in the armed forces is your godsent gift to the unreliable, irresponsible and undeserving people of Sinkapoor who had the gall to vote in CSJ as the PM in a freak election? Thank you so much, mmm, I now understand the rudiments of democracy. Anything else you want to teach me?

As for your name mmm, I suppose you’re one up on the MM, two on the SM and three on the poor PM, and are therefore in a position to teach them a thing or two what to do in the event of a freak election.

Sinkapoor is indeed in good hands!

Fairplayplease on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 8:48 pm 

Water supports a boat can also sinks it. A military solution to an unpopular regime has the seeds of self-destruction consequences.

Just look at Vietnam war – over a million strong well-armed and well equiped ARVN backed by US airpower, financial and political support melted in total humiliating defeat in a few weeks of assault by a few lousy North Vietnamese divisions hardly backed by heavy armour. I remember Danang was reported to have surrendered without an angry shot being fired and in the dying day of Saigon, an elite battalion fought street battles for only a few hours before a column of North Vietnamese tanks drove in past the locked gate of the South Vietnamese presidential palace.

The will to fight for national salvation COMPLETELY EVAPORATED among virtually all ordinary ranks of soldiers from recruits to brigadiers in the battle zones – never mind what Nguyen Cao Ky and his thugs in Saigon command wanted.

Don’t be too sure our neighbours don’t simply walk in as well -given such fortuitous circumstances for an easy military takeover.

WE ARE FOOLS TO FIGHT AMONG OURSELVES.

Anonymous on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 11:06 pm 

This says it all:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Edison Chen on Tue, 8th Sep 2009 11:35 pm 

So many people are against the PAP, but is there nothing we have to thank the government for? We have been voted the 3rd most competitive economy just recently, we have the highest home ownership rate in the world and we are the safest country in the region and very likely top 10 most peaceful and safest in the world. All these we must give thanks to our forefathers and ancestors and definitely in part to the country’s leadership through these years since independence.

Chillax doods and boobs, go view my pics with Gillian, Cecilia and others!

XiSd Tay on Wed, 9th Sep 2009 1:36 am 

Our day will come said: Co-incidentally estate duty has been abolished. She isn’t going to leave even one cent to the country. Patriotic?

True, for now, that is. AFTER she goes 6 feet under and election becomes a past, Estaqte Duty will be reinstated. Simple game, no need to use brain to think why.

She, ie: Mrs Lee is rich beyond your wildest imagination and the famiLEE sure ain’t going to let Sinkaporeans have back what they have been trying so hard to amess over the past 40 years, logical right?