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		<title>By: How much is HDB profiting from the sale of new flats? : The Temasek Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>How much is HDB profiting from the sale of new flats? : The Temasek Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &gt;&gt; Part 3: Rising prices of HDB flats does not create wealth [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>jolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so am i correct to say that the previous pm or the present sm had all along been giving us false hopes which are not realisable. And mama bo tan is here to consolidate this sales pitch.  staying in johor looks more appealing given the status quo .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so am i correct to say that the previous pm or the present sm had all along been giving us false hopes which are not realisable. And mama bo tan is here to consolidate this sales pitch.  staying in johor looks more appealing given the status quo .</p>
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		<title>By: Rainnix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rainnix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder even an elite MP of Marine Parade GRC Dr Ong Seh Hong had to borrow money from RenCi (a charity organization) to finance his house. Even elites are not spared from this, that is PAP&#039;s affordability for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder even an elite MP of Marine Parade GRC Dr Ong Seh Hong had to borrow money from RenCi (a charity organization) to finance his house. Even elites are not spared from this, that is PAP&#8217;s affordability for you.</p>
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		<title>By: ARE Singaporean  MADE To BE "BEHOLDEN" To THE "PoP AddictioN PoPPy"  Drug garHmen ...!!!???</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARE Singaporean  MADE To BE "BEHOLDEN" To THE "PoP AddictioN PoPPy"  Drug garHmen ...!!!???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BY WAY of ... FalseHood ... lky, gct &amp; lhl type of &quot;&quot;Asset-Enhancement&quot; AND &quot;Asset-UPGRADINGS&quot; in Vicious TRAPPINGs of THE Wall St. kind ...!!!! 

1.  By their BIGGEST PURCHASE EVER in their LifetimeS ... THEIR HOMES!!!

2.  WITH The Pap-Pop-Pap garGhmen msking HUGE SUMS OF MONEY ... While AT THE SAME TIME &quot;FOREVER&quot; CLAIMING GIVING &quot;SINGAPOREANS&quot; HDB FLATS WITH UNDeFined &quot;HEAVY&quot; SUBSIDIES ...

3.  TO THE &quot;TUNE&quot; OF 86% BEING sus-sub-suay-SUBSIDISED ... by the remaining 14% ...

4.  And by garGhmen&#039;s &quot;Holistic&quot; International INVESTMENTS PORTFOLIOs of h-c GENERIC TERMS And FUNCTIONS in TH ...

5.  ALL For &quot;LONG-TERM&quot; gains WITH SUDDEN AND ABRUPT Multi-decade-BILLION LOSSES ...

6.  AND for which &quot;Cheeky-Elitist-Outstanding&quot; ceo h-c ALSO Made FUN Of &#039;Fellow&#039; Singaporeans&#039; NEGATIVE And FRANK Opinions of HER-LACK-LUSTRE-DISMAL CHIEFY Performance in TH ...

7.  AS LAUGHABLE!!! ...

8.  THUS ... &quot;WE The Citizens of Singapore ... HAVE NO EQUAL RIGHTS NOR even &quot;Say&quot; when pap AND it&#039;s h0ly-c0ws YAK-KATTY-YAK-YAK THEIR TALK-TALK-a-walky-WACKY-talks OF BOAST ...

9.  EVEN BY ... THE RECORD HOLDER ... one WHO MADE BIG HISTORY ... OF ALL TIME ... in ONE FELL-SWOOP OF A CERTAIN FINANCIAL YEAR ... IN US-DOLLARS SIxTy BILLIONS OF SINGAPOREANS&#039; MONIES ...

10. Which ONLY THE KNOWN AMOUNT FROM INTERNET SOURCES OUTsIdE SINKgApooR!!!

11. ANY OTHER EXTRANEOUS and/or FURTHER HUGH BILLIONS IN US-DOLLAR ... IS YET UNKNOWN ... TO DATE ... UNANNOUNCED AS EVEN THE 60 BILLION LOSSES IN ONE YEAR ... HAS NOT BEEN ACKNOWLEDGE BY THE &#039;MAJESTY&#039; WHO LOST IT .. AND AWAY!!!

12. Trust NON-HUMBLE and FIESTY EXUBERANCE WITH NO RESPECT FOR those one named ONCE and For All &quot;lesser-mortals&quot; ... ALL &amp; sundry in one package call pap-GOES-the-Wi(e)sel&quot;!!!

A &#039;DIRTY&#039; dozen for one day is quite enuff for a day ... or many may have a sleepless night ... in AWAKENING .. TO the rot that has been making a host pf US THE GREATER SINGAPOREANS ... At the least in NUMBERS!!! SO here came the foreigners to help fill up the hdb profit in ours no more ... public housing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BY WAY of &#8230; FalseHood &#8230; lky, gct &amp; lhl type of &#8220;&#8221;Asset-Enhancement&#8221; AND &#8220;Asset-UPGRADINGS&#8221; in Vicious TRAPPINGs of THE Wall St. kind &#8230;!!!! </p>
<p>1.  By their BIGGEST PURCHASE EVER in their LifetimeS &#8230; THEIR HOMES!!!</p>
<p>2.  WITH The Pap-Pop-Pap garGhmen msking HUGE SUMS OF MONEY &#8230; While AT THE SAME TIME &#8220;FOREVER&#8221; CLAIMING GIVING &#8220;SINGAPOREANS&#8221; HDB FLATS WITH UNDeFined &#8220;HEAVY&#8221; SUBSIDIES &#8230;</p>
<p>3.  TO THE &#8220;TUNE&#8221; OF 86% BEING sus-sub-suay-SUBSIDISED &#8230; by the remaining 14% &#8230;</p>
<p>4.  And by garGhmen&#8217;s &#8220;Holistic&#8221; International INVESTMENTS PORTFOLIOs of h-c GENERIC TERMS And FUNCTIONS in TH &#8230;</p>
<p>5.  ALL For &#8220;LONG-TERM&#8221; gains WITH SUDDEN AND ABRUPT Multi-decade-BILLION LOSSES &#8230;</p>
<p>6.  AND for which &#8220;Cheeky-Elitist-Outstanding&#8221; ceo h-c ALSO Made FUN Of &#8216;Fellow&#8217; Singaporeans&#8217; NEGATIVE And FRANK Opinions of HER-LACK-LUSTRE-DISMAL CHIEFY Performance in TH &#8230;</p>
<p>7.  AS LAUGHABLE!!! &#8230;</p>
<p>8.  THUS &#8230; &#8220;WE The Citizens of Singapore &#8230; HAVE NO EQUAL RIGHTS NOR even &#8220;Say&#8221; when pap AND it&#8217;s h0ly-c0ws YAK-KATTY-YAK-YAK THEIR TALK-TALK-a-walky-WACKY-talks OF BOAST &#8230;</p>
<p>9.  EVEN BY &#8230; THE RECORD HOLDER &#8230; one WHO MADE BIG HISTORY &#8230; OF ALL TIME &#8230; in ONE FELL-SWOOP OF A CERTAIN FINANCIAL YEAR &#8230; IN US-DOLLARS SIxTy BILLIONS OF SINGAPOREANS&#8217; MONIES &#8230;</p>
<p>10. Which ONLY THE KNOWN AMOUNT FROM INTERNET SOURCES OUTsIdE SINKgApooR!!!</p>
<p>11. ANY OTHER EXTRANEOUS and/or FURTHER HUGH BILLIONS IN US-DOLLAR &#8230; IS YET UNKNOWN &#8230; TO DATE &#8230; UNANNOUNCED AS EVEN THE 60 BILLION LOSSES IN ONE YEAR &#8230; HAS NOT BEEN ACKNOWLEDGE BY THE &#8216;MAJESTY&#8217; WHO LOST IT .. AND AWAY!!!</p>
<p>12. Trust NON-HUMBLE and FIESTY EXUBERANCE WITH NO RESPECT FOR those one named ONCE and For All &#8220;lesser-mortals&#8221; &#8230; ALL &amp; sundry in one package call pap-GOES-the-Wi(e)sel&#8221;!!!</p>
<p>A &#8216;DIRTY&#8217; dozen for one day is quite enuff for a day &#8230; or many may have a sleepless night &#8230; in AWAKENING .. TO the rot that has been making a host pf US THE GREATER SINGAPOREANS &#8230; At the least in NUMBERS!!! SO here came the foreigners to help fill up the hdb profit in ours no more &#8230; public housing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sturmtruppen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sturmtruppen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry malaysian..sorry to burst the bubble...

there are rules when it comes to owning more then 1 HDB flat...

the ruling is HDB flat owners can ONLY own 1 flat at a time in singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry malaysian..sorry to burst the bubble&#8230;</p>
<p>there are rules when it comes to owning more then 1 HDB flat&#8230;</p>
<p>the ruling is HDB flat owners can ONLY own 1 flat at a time in singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: PAPsmearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAPsmearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singaporeans are stupid and play the game according to the one sided rules made up by the PAP. They will lose 100% of the time. 

The solution. Live in JB. Play the game the Malaysians FT play. Buy a freehold landed property there for as little as $100K. Its yours forever, to hand down to your family. Whether it goes up or down in value is irrelevant, and it will provide a much more spacious, and comfortable home for the family for a much longer time than the pigeon hole HDB flat. 

Due to the lower costs of acquisition, u do not need to draw on your CPF, in fact it would not be possible since its not a HDB flat. The mortgage payments on the JB property would be much smaller, the costs of living in JB (maids, food, clothing, etc.)much lower, etc. than singapore. 

U continue to work your singapore job, earn sing dollars, and spent it in Malaysia where the sing dollar purchasing power is much bigger. U can work from your JB home a few days of the week. The other days, u commute to Singapore. If enough singaporeans do this, I guarantee u the PAP will sit up and take notice when they see their unsold flats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singaporeans are stupid and play the game according to the one sided rules made up by the PAP. They will lose 100% of the time. </p>
<p>The solution. Live in JB. Play the game the Malaysians FT play. Buy a freehold landed property there for as little as $100K. Its yours forever, to hand down to your family. Whether it goes up or down in value is irrelevant, and it will provide a much more spacious, and comfortable home for the family for a much longer time than the pigeon hole HDB flat. </p>
<p>Due to the lower costs of acquisition, u do not need to draw on your CPF, in fact it would not be possible since its not a HDB flat. The mortgage payments on the JB property would be much smaller, the costs of living in JB (maids, food, clothing, etc.)much lower, etc. than singapore. </p>
<p>U continue to work your singapore job, earn sing dollars, and spent it in Malaysia where the sing dollar purchasing power is much bigger. U can work from your JB home a few days of the week. The other days, u commute to Singapore. If enough singaporeans do this, I guarantee u the PAP will sit up and take notice when they see their unsold flats.</p>
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		<title>By: malaysian</title>
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		<dc:creator>malaysian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>basically it&#039;s not wealth creation as pointed out by the writer. HDB flat is a controlled asset and therefore prices will rise in tandem. It may not be a real deal of appreciation but it has just gone up due to inflation. When it&#039;s a controlled item, how can you make money out of it?

It will be a different case if the asset is free from control and price increase of the asset outperform on the same class of asset. 

It&#039;s no different from property bubble (asset bubble). Unless each and everyone of you can own more than 2 HDB flats and subsequently rent it out or sell it after 10 years. Then that is absolutely profit made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>basically it&#8217;s not wealth creation as pointed out by the writer. HDB flat is a controlled asset and therefore prices will rise in tandem. It may not be a real deal of appreciation but it has just gone up due to inflation. When it&#8217;s a controlled item, how can you make money out of it?</p>
<p>It will be a different case if the asset is free from control and price increase of the asset outperform on the same class of asset. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no different from property bubble (asset bubble). Unless each and everyone of you can own more than 2 HDB flats and subsequently rent it out or sell it after 10 years. Then that is absolutely profit made.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Goh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cy,

The only ones who can benefit are the PRs who can unlock the increasing value of their flats by selling them and leaving Singapore for good. Singaporeans are stuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cy,</p>
<p>The only ones who can benefit are the PRs who can unlock the increasing value of their flats by selling them and leaving Singapore for good. Singaporeans are stuck.</p>
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		<title>By: cy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s why PAP govt have allowed more PR/new citizens/foreigners so that there will be someone to rent or buy the flats at inflated price.

So we are not the only ones cheated,poor PR/new citizens/foreigners are also cheated too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s why PAP govt have allowed more PR/new citizens/foreigners so that there will be someone to rent or buy the flats at inflated price.</p>
<p>So we are not the only ones cheated,poor PR/new citizens/foreigners are also cheated too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lehman Brothers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lehman Brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the writer is saying is that HDB flats are not like stocks and shares that can easily be bought or sold. If you bought your flat for 150k and sold it for 300k, where are you going to live? You&#039;ll end up having to buy another one for 300k, which means that you&#039;ve earned nothing.

As this goes on, you&#039;ll eventually retire with almost no savings left since you&#039;ve spent most of your income paying off the housing mortgage. Sure, you can sell your home since it&#039;s worth so much, but it&#039;s a moot point since you&#039;ll again have nowhere to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the writer is saying is that HDB flats are not like stocks and shares that can easily be bought or sold. If you bought your flat for 150k and sold it for 300k, where are you going to live? You&#8217;ll end up having to buy another one for 300k, which means that you&#8217;ve earned nothing.</p>
<p>As this goes on, you&#8217;ll eventually retire with almost no savings left since you&#8217;ve spent most of your income paying off the housing mortgage. Sure, you can sell your home since it&#8217;s worth so much, but it&#8217;s a moot point since you&#8217;ll again have nowhere to stay.</p>
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