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	<title>Comments on: Wong Kan Seng sends a stark warning to religious fundamentalists: don&#8217;t mix religion with politics</title>
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		<title>By: TODAY Voices mon May 18, 2009!</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/05/15/wong-kan-seng-sends-a-stark-warning-to-religious-fundamentalists-dont-mix-religion-with-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-14386</link>
		<dc:creator>TODAY Voices mon May 18, 2009!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to this website and read 2 views about WKS on AWARE SAGA. The one by Gavin Lee on the right is more convincing for our Civil Society&#039;s progress. He explains well gahmen&#039;s kiasu curtailment of civil maturity and its growth - for their ownwell-being. A bully is actually a coward. Because non-cowards don&#039;t bully!

So it&#039;s all simply because a LKY thing and a control freaky thing. As for those below 60 may now even recall LKY at rallies had said to the effect that - to control the citizens&#039; minds, you have to control the media - click item 2 below.

1.  http://www.todayonline.com/pdf_main.asp?pubdate=20090518

2.  This is quite a long video (46 min) of the LKY phenomena but worth watching. Watch before it is removed from the link. And I hope it is still available. http://video.google.comvideoplay?docid=-626198656180342704&amp;hl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to this website and read 2 views about WKS on AWARE SAGA. The one by Gavin Lee on the right is more convincing for our Civil Society&#8217;s progress. He explains well gahmen&#8217;s kiasu curtailment of civil maturity and its growth &#8211; for their ownwell-being. A bully is actually a coward. Because non-cowards don&#8217;t bully!</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s all simply because a LKY thing and a control freaky thing. As for those below 60 may now even recall LKY at rallies had said to the effect that &#8211; to control the citizens&#8217; minds, you have to control the media &#8211; click item 2 below.</p>
<p>1.  <a href="http://www.todayonline.com/pdf_main.asp?pubdate=20090518" rel="nofollow">http://www.todayonline.com/pdf_main.asp?pubdate=20090518</a></p>
<p>2.  This is quite a long video (46 min) of the LKY phenomena but worth watching. Watch before it is removed from the link. And I hope it is still available. <a href="http://video.google.comvideoplay?docid=-626198656180342704&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.comvideoplay?docid=-626198656180342704&amp;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/05/15/wong-kan-seng-sends-a-stark-warning-to-religious-fundamentalists-dont-mix-religion-with-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-14342</link>
		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspaper here put Fann Wong ROM as headline news.  What professionalism do you expect from them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspaper here put Fann Wong ROM as headline news.  What professionalism do you expect from them?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/05/15/wong-kan-seng-sends-a-stark-warning-to-religious-fundamentalists-dont-mix-religion-with-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-14260</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday, my friend told me that her uncle who lives in Hougang, was met by Eric Low, some years ago, in door to door campaigning. Mr Low said he if he were elected, he would make sure that he remove the temples in Hougang. My friend&#039;s uncle was shocked as he was a Taoist and he said so to Mr Low who quickly apologised. Was that a tactic to win christian votes? Can anyone in Hougang verify if he or she has heard similar thing then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, my friend told me that her uncle who lives in Hougang, was met by Eric Low, some years ago, in door to door campaigning. Mr Low said he if he were elected, he would make sure that he remove the temples in Hougang. My friend&#8217;s uncle was shocked as he was a Taoist and he said so to Mr Low who quickly apologised. Was that a tactic to win christian votes? Can anyone in Hougang verify if he or she has heard similar thing then?</p>
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		<title>By: bah</title>
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		<dc:creator>bah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PoThePanda: Yes, the PAP is everywhere, controlling the gahmen, controlling the press, controlling the Wayang Party, controlling your brain with psykick waves, and even under your bed!!!111</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PoThePanda: Yes, the PAP is everywhere, controlling the gahmen, controlling the press, controlling the Wayang Party, controlling your brain with psykick waves, and even under your bed!!!111</p>
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		<title>By: Sniper</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/05/15/wong-kan-seng-sends-a-stark-warning-to-religious-fundamentalists-dont-mix-religion-with-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-14174</link>
		<dc:creator>Sniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 07:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Username JayF is already exposed as a Joel&#039;s Army member in one of dogemperor&#039;s articles.http://wayangparty.com/?p=9047 We also know that leaders of other faiths spoke up about the invasion of AWARE http://www.ngejay.com/?p=2673, so the fact that most Singaporeans are religious does not imply that they endorse their values being imposed on the secular public. Here, Christians comprise 15% of the country&#039;s population, and only a very vocal, evangelical, and dominionist segment have infected the public sphere.

Working as if one is dealing with organised &#039;gay groups&#039; or MSM who have an &#039;agenda&#039; is seeing an enemy where there is none. So what if NMP/lawyer Thio Su Mien or Dr. Alan Chin are vocally anti-gay and try to use their influence? This did not save them from being booted out of AWARE. There is no umbrella lobbying organisation for homosexual rights in Singapore, and no &#039;group&#039; beyond cliques of like-minded friends and relatives, that resulted in the hundreds attending the recent PinkDot event despite the lack of advertising in mainstream media.

This is not a weakness. This is their strength. Religious leaders can preach against homosexuality all they like in the walls of their churches, but homosexuals exist in all strata of society, in every religion, in every secular arena, in every district. They act not on a sermon or a gospel, but by their own independent conscience. A veiled threat that conservative Christians are present in law, education and civic society will not make them &#039;SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Username JayF is already exposed as a Joel&#8217;s Army member in one of dogemperor&#8217;s articles.http://wayangparty.com/?p=9047 We also know that leaders of other faiths spoke up about the invasion of AWARE <a href="http://www.ngejay.com/?p=2673" rel="nofollow">http://www.ngejay.com/?p=2673</a>, so the fact that most Singaporeans are religious does not imply that they endorse their values being imposed on the secular public. Here, Christians comprise 15% of the country&#8217;s population, and only a very vocal, evangelical, and dominionist segment have infected the public sphere.</p>
<p>Working as if one is dealing with organised &#8216;gay groups&#8217; or MSM who have an &#8216;agenda&#8217; is seeing an enemy where there is none. So what if NMP/lawyer Thio Su Mien or Dr. Alan Chin are vocally anti-gay and try to use their influence? This did not save them from being booted out of AWARE. There is no umbrella lobbying organisation for homosexual rights in Singapore, and no &#8216;group&#8217; beyond cliques of like-minded friends and relatives, that resulted in the hundreds attending the recent PinkDot event despite the lack of advertising in mainstream media.</p>
<p>This is not a weakness. This is their strength. Religious leaders can preach against homosexuality all they like in the walls of their churches, but homosexuals exist in all strata of society, in every religion, in every secular arena, in every district. They act not on a sermon or a gospel, but by their own independent conscience. A veiled threat that conservative Christians are present in law, education and civic society will not make them &#8216;SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Little "red-dot" or other?</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/05/15/wong-kan-seng-sends-a-stark-warning-to-religious-fundamentalists-dont-mix-religion-with-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-14151</link>
		<dc:creator>Little "red-dot" or other?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed we should be thankful for the &quot;little red-dot&quot; which os actually I call a &quot;miniscule-black-dot&quot;. Don&#039;t get me wrong, but indeed it is black on a map. And being Red means it is likeblood on the outside of one&#039;s skin. That We Are Bleeding! Financially that is!

The toxic assests of American &quot;1st World Class&quot; of Elitist &quot;Democracy&quot; knows no boundaries nor temperance of &quot;Meritorcracy&quot; which is advocated by our garmen too. Such thinking means in hidden silence, also means that if Heaven has not endowed you, then you&#039;ve therefore been &quot;sidelined by heaven and so predestined&quot; for failure in &quot;World-Class&quot; competition!

This kind of thinking is lobsided and certainly not fron the wise and humble. It is the very the same very type of NON-critical indepth and far reaching VISIONARY thinkings of the GW Bush era. The now infamous 8 yr era that now has severely bankrupted America and my nations of the world.

Indeed highly paid and irrationally rewarded individuals of meritocracy are the very soucre of this world-wide financial crisis. As they are only now seen as Crutches, Since &quot;They don&#039;t own a single cent of the enormous monies they invest&quot;. And stands to be rewarded for successes. BUT never to be Acountable for even Repeated Failures! WORLD-CLASS CRUTCH CIRTICAL THINKERS INDEED!

A saying goes, &quot;Self praise IS international disgrace&quot; is oh so true. Or a local dialect saying in similar meaning, &quot;Kar key oh kar buwei chow cho&quot;! = slef praise is not so fishy&quot; yah!
Are self-professed &#039;great leaders&#039; truly wise &amp; deep thinkers? Or ... ?

All of the big(?) t3&#039;s responsesare simply face-saving political talk jargon of the standard self-righteous and too farmiliar kind ins&#039;t it!

GCT had iterated during his tenure as Pm that there&#039;s no talent in the Oppo camp. How blatantly unfair comment is that when they suppress civil society gathering now of even 1-2 person in broad diffination as unlawful per beholden civil service SPF &#039;interpretations.

Freedom of expressions for the authorities but not for Our Civil Society. As even 1 person talking in public is a civil disturbing Singapore Citizen. Your rights has been canelled, 

The only difference is we don&#039;t get literally bludgent or shot to death like in Mynmmar or elsewhere. But we do have it done to us all the same in 1st World curtailment and advance technical ways aren&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed we should be thankful for the &#8220;little red-dot&#8221; which os actually I call a &#8220;miniscule-black-dot&#8221;. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, but indeed it is black on a map. And being Red means it is likeblood on the outside of one&#8217;s skin. That We Are Bleeding! Financially that is!</p>
<p>The toxic assests of American &#8220;1st World Class&#8221; of Elitist &#8220;Democracy&#8221; knows no boundaries nor temperance of &#8220;Meritorcracy&#8221; which is advocated by our garmen too. Such thinking means in hidden silence, also means that if Heaven has not endowed you, then you&#8217;ve therefore been &#8220;sidelined by heaven and so predestined&#8221; for failure in &#8220;World-Class&#8221; competition!</p>
<p>This kind of thinking is lobsided and certainly not fron the wise and humble. It is the very the same very type of NON-critical indepth and far reaching VISIONARY thinkings of the GW Bush era. The now infamous 8 yr era that now has severely bankrupted America and my nations of the world.</p>
<p>Indeed highly paid and irrationally rewarded individuals of meritocracy are the very soucre of this world-wide financial crisis. As they are only now seen as Crutches, Since &#8220;They don&#8217;t own a single cent of the enormous monies they invest&#8221;. And stands to be rewarded for successes. BUT never to be Acountable for even Repeated Failures! WORLD-CLASS CRUTCH CIRTICAL THINKERS INDEED!</p>
<p>A saying goes, &#8220;Self praise IS international disgrace&#8221; is oh so true. Or a local dialect saying in similar meaning, &#8220;Kar key oh kar buwei chow cho&#8221;! = slef praise is not so fishy&#8221; yah!<br />
Are self-professed &#8216;great leaders&#8217; truly wise &amp; deep thinkers? Or &#8230; ?</p>
<p>All of the big(?) t3&#8217;s responsesare simply face-saving political talk jargon of the standard self-righteous and too farmiliar kind ins&#8217;t it!</p>
<p>GCT had iterated during his tenure as Pm that there&#8217;s no talent in the Oppo camp. How blatantly unfair comment is that when they suppress civil society gathering now of even 1-2 person in broad diffination as unlawful per beholden civil service SPF &#8216;interpretations.</p>
<p>Freedom of expressions for the authorities but not for Our Civil Society. As even 1 person talking in public is a civil disturbing Singapore Citizen. Your rights has been canelled, </p>
<p>The only difference is we don&#8217;t get literally bludgent or shot to death like in Mynmmar or elsewhere. But we do have it done to us all the same in 1st World curtailment and advance technical ways aren&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: What is Paganism? A Heathen?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is Paganism? A Heathen?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cybergoddess is perfectly right. And indirectly so about differing views. But quite another thing is what ... 

Pagan wrote right at the top of the list just The first posting:

&quot;It is time the government criminalises evangelism&quot;.
Don&#039;t get me wrong. But this is the extreme thinking of Pagan and he is more dangerous than WKS&#039;s caution.

As Pagan suggestion smacks of yet another kind of dangerous extremism too.Those were just &#039;over-zealous&#039; passionate Christians in the fast &amp; furiously elected &#039;interim&#039; AWARE exco now booted out and COS&#039;s ala Derek Hong.

Pagan isn&#039;t a moderator in any sense of the word. An a pagan or heathen is a non-religious aethist who touts religions as altogether fool&#039;s believes. Yet is such an aethist mentality and religion critic ... Foolishness itself?

I would be more concern, even worried sick if Pagan hold WKS&#039;s positions in govt! What&#039;s the othe crux?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cybergoddess is perfectly right. And indirectly so about differing views. But quite another thing is what &#8230; </p>
<p>Pagan wrote right at the top of the list just The first posting:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is time the government criminalises evangelism&#8221;.<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong. But this is the extreme thinking of Pagan and he is more dangerous than WKS&#8217;s caution.</p>
<p>As Pagan suggestion smacks of yet another kind of dangerous extremism too.Those were just &#8216;over-zealous&#8217; passionate Christians in the fast &amp; furiously elected &#8216;interim&#8217; AWARE exco now booted out and COS&#8217;s ala Derek Hong.</p>
<p>Pagan isn&#8217;t a moderator in any sense of the word. An a pagan or heathen is a non-religious aethist who touts religions as altogether fool&#8217;s believes. Yet is such an aethist mentality and religion critic &#8230; Foolishness itself?</p>
<p>I would be more concern, even worried sick if Pagan hold WKS&#8217;s positions in govt! What&#8217;s the othe crux?</p>
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		<title>By: JayF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kingsgrove

Considering that the majority of Singaporeans (85%) are religious, one doubts they&#039;d be too worried about a conservative religious group especially since their own attitudes mirror those. DPM Wong doesn&#039;t want religious groups using the pulpit. He also mentioned that the local gays should BACK DOWN from their activism and go back to their private lives. I.E go back to corner.

We don&#039;t need the pulpit to lobby the Government. Our numbers and connections in law, education and the civil service will make sure our concerns are heard. What do you liberals and pro gays have without the MSM support and the gay groups?

A strident gay group on the other hand, would be of particular concern to those who enjoy a conservative, religious Singapore.

To Johnnykid. 

Since when did a Christian extremist warhawk mobilize for war? Derek Hong moblized to make sure the liberals and gays do not dominate the social discourse and the gay picnic is making a social statement. 

We occupy the central stage and with the MSM silenced, we will make sure the liberals and the gays get tossed back into their&quot;saunas&quot; and gay pubs at Tanjong Pagar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kingsgrove</p>
<p>Considering that the majority of Singaporeans (85%) are religious, one doubts they&#8217;d be too worried about a conservative religious group especially since their own attitudes mirror those. DPM Wong doesn&#8217;t want religious groups using the pulpit. He also mentioned that the local gays should BACK DOWN from their activism and go back to their private lives. I.E go back to corner.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need the pulpit to lobby the Government. Our numbers and connections in law, education and the civil service will make sure our concerns are heard. What do you liberals and pro gays have without the MSM support and the gay groups?</p>
<p>A strident gay group on the other hand, would be of particular concern to those who enjoy a conservative, religious Singapore.</p>
<p>To Johnnykid. </p>
<p>Since when did a Christian extremist warhawk mobilize for war? Derek Hong moblized to make sure the liberals and gays do not dominate the social discourse and the gay picnic is making a social statement. </p>
<p>We occupy the central stage and with the MSM silenced, we will make sure the liberals and the gays get tossed back into their&#8221;saunas&#8221; and gay pubs at Tanjong Pagar.</p>
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		<title>By: Cybergoddess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cybergoddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of the readers calling for Eugene to remove this article are people who are immature and not ready for meaningful debate. To have some credibility, Wayang Party SHOULD consider issues objectively and critically. They have done that and most times, have taken the side against the govt. But it does not mean that WP can never agree with the govt - if the issue merits it, then so be it!

If you guys just wanna see a one-sided bashing site then I suggest you go wash your heads in the sink.

I hope WP will not succumb to &quot;pressure&quot; from these sorts on removing this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of the readers calling for Eugene to remove this article are people who are immature and not ready for meaningful debate. To have some credibility, Wayang Party SHOULD consider issues objectively and critically. They have done that and most times, have taken the side against the govt. But it does not mean that WP can never agree with the govt &#8211; if the issue merits it, then so be it!</p>
<p>If you guys just wanna see a one-sided bashing site then I suggest you go wash your heads in the sink.</p>
<p>I hope WP will not succumb to &#8220;pressure&#8221; from these sorts on removing this article.</p>
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		<title>By: PoThePanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoThePanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Eugene,

What are you advocating?We use the unjust laws to oppress the citizens?

You support ISA?You are a undercover PAP website as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eugene,</p>
<p>What are you advocating?We use the unjust laws to oppress the citizens?</p>
<p>You support ISA?You are a undercover PAP website as well?</p>
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