BREAKING: Josie Lau removed from her position as Vice President and Head of Marketing, Cards and Unsecured Loans!!!
May 10th, 2009 | 
Author: From The Newsroom Team
Josie Lau Meng Lee, the ex-Aware President who was ousted from office by a vote of no confidence in an EGM, now finds herself being removed from her position as Vice President and Head of Marketing, Cards and Unsecured Loans at DBS Bank.
According to a Sunday Times report, Josie, has been “redesignated” to a new role. When contacted, DBS would say only that she is still working at the bank. Ms Lau did not answer calls. (read article here)
DBS was not known to be supportive of Josie’s involvement with Aware. In a press statement released on 17 April 2009, DBS castigated publicly Josie for running for president of Aware without prior approval from them:
“Josie informed the bank of her appointment as Aware Exco member on April 13, over two weeks after she was appointed on March 28. She had not sought prior approval for this appointment and thereby breached the staff code of conduct. Nevertheless, DBS made a concession and agreed to support her involvement as Exco member.
Early this week, Josie broached the subject of her intent to run for president of Aware. We reviewed her request and subsequently informed her that while the bank continues to support her involvement in Aware, we could not support her intent to run for president, given the demands associated with the top post of a leading advocacy group in Singapore.”
(Source: Straits Times)
DBS’s curt reply drew a torrent of criticisms from civil society, corporate figures as well as bloggers (including this site) who lambasted it of hypocrisy in opposing Josie volunteering her time for Aware while allowing Mr Liang Eng Hwa, the Manageing Director of the Treasury and Markets Division of DBS bank to become a PAP MP.
We now understand that DBS was concerned about Josie dragging the organization into another round of controversy following her adoption of a right wing Christian NGO “Focus on the Family” last year as a benefactor of DBS which culminated in a boycott of DBS credits cards and banking facilities by the gay community in Singapore.
It is not known if there were any changes in Josie’s annual income as a result of the “redesignation”. Please email us at wayangparty@hotmail.com if you know about Josie’s new position in DBS.
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I have been a long term shareholder of DBS stock. I take that as good news.
Hallelujah
DBA shld oso cease support for Focus on Family immediately.
How cld DBS keep employee who misled it………this person is dishonast lah…….so not fit to hold snr post.
From a comment on http://comment.straitstimes.com/showthread.php?p=276871 :
[ My friend in DBS told me josie lau has been transferred to another department, he said it is equivalent to a demotion.
Apparently because of her and the donation to FOTF, many people cancelled their credit cards. ]
Once upon a time there was a poor little rich girl called Josie who lived with her feminist mentor in a posh little big house.
They make a living by milking their cow, and also by milking others who can be easily milked, like fellow churchgoers and her employer, the Bank.
When the cow had grown too old, the mentor sent Josie to sell it. Josie asked her mentor, “but you are even older, shouldn’t I sell you first?”
On her way to the market, Josie met a pastor.
“I will give you five magic beans and six like-minded thoroughly-brainwashed, brain- dead members for your cow,” the pastor offered.
Josie was unsure (as she is all her life) and hesitated for 30 minutes, but then, enticed by the idea of such an extraordinary deal, she decided to accept.
When she returned home, his mentor was furious and reprimanded her sternly: “You fool! What have you done? You have no respect for the elders! Now we have to bed with the other six.”
In exasperation, the mentor threw the five beans out of the window and sent Josie to go to bed with her.
The morning after, Josie saw an amazing sight. A gigantic beanstalk, reaching far into the clouds, had grown overnight.
She climbed the beanstalk.
The giant was not at home. She changed the locks. Stole the hen that laid golden eggs.
a magic harp, and bags of gold coins.
When Josie got down to earth she called to his mentor,
“Look what I’ve brought you”
Bring me an ax! (or any other destructive management tools) I must chop down the beanstalk before the giant gets us,” Josie said to her mentor.
With their stolen loot, Josie and her mentor and the other six lived crappily ever after.
The magical sound of the harp cured her mentor’s metal illness as she was silent even when she got a chance to brag about her past achievements to reporters.
And the hen kept on laying golden eggs in vain unaware that these poor little rich girls are already filthy rich.
Although I’m glad now that DBS is making an implicit stand against discrimination against LGBT peoples, I am also pleased that Thio will continue to remain employed. Radical as her views are, repercussions for her actions in the past months should involve no more than stopping her attacks on secular society…she does not deserve to be hated to the point that she loses her income. Even so, I’m counting down the hours until some fanatic in her flock posts an article painting her as the perfect martyr of the Christian faith in 5…4…3…2…
that’s ok for josie. a true christian would abide by the verse about storing up your riches in heaven and not on earth. that’s more brownie points for her then!
…1. Already a martyr and saviour. http://sg.christianpost.com/dbase.php?cat=society&id=1560
Pop the champagne!! WooHoo!!
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These christian coos-koos will remain rich as the networking amongst the rich elitish christian community will churn their own wealth. The legal advisor brought in by Josie Lau et al for the EGM is also from the christian community (see http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/messrs-rajah-tann-why-why-why/). On the other hand, secularists are generally poor financially. The “pai sin” (pray to gods) types are the ordinary people.
Hard to fight them. They have wealth and powerful connection!
I wonder why so much gloatings over here?
DBS is a business entity. The bottom line is making money. Not politics. Not LBGT rights. If the FOTF is dragging it down, the sensible thing is to sever ties with it.
Also, mainstream Christianity suffers because the adventures of these 3rd wave-NAR-right-wing groups give us a bad name.
We are disgusted with the way Josie & her band took over Aware, the way they kept mum and evaded questions shortly after their takeover, and even more disgusted with the fact that lawyer Thio was behind the infiltration, doing as it were “God’s work”. (Heard of Joel’s Army? Well, this is S’pore’s version – Josie’s Army). Let’s now show compassion for Josie – we would not like DBS to tell her to walk. Hope she realises God is actualy telling her this is not the right way and should have been more circumspect and accepting of all peoples, and that mutual respect, acceptance and living in harmony with other peoples override all that she thinks the Bible (HER bible) tells her. Hope she recovers from her wounds and be a good gal from now on. As for Thio Su Mien – what can we say? She herself needs a pair of healing hands on her. She averted a tsunami on S’pore my foot!
I hope the authorities have wised up after the AWARE incident. Extremists do not just come in the form of JI and Mas Selamat. Any group whose agenda is to make the rest of Singapore conform to their cult ideologies is a threat to multi-cultural and multi-religion Singapore. In fact, I think they are even more dangerous than JI because they have the resources and connections.
I’ve contributed here about Josie & Co’s take-over of the old exco as a possible “hostile” one. As we do not know what happened behind the scenes before it became news worthy.
And I do not know her & all any AWARE member.
She and her friends has publicly suffered defeat. Being upfront in the limelight, she’s now likely in personal recession of her mind & heart values concerning her AWARE saga. And knowing what human beings are mostly like, likely struggling with facing critics at work, public places, even at church or at home and with some relatives too.
And now even her job at DBS is further sensational profitable news for the media and reported. I see that she has suffered personally and her job is a personal thing.
Thus I feel strongly that it does not augur well for a blog like WP to exacerbate personal sufferring and the price she’s now paying for her past mistakes media reported.
All things considered, WP should be more considerate not to follow up on the media to lend them a helping hand media. In principle, I suggest that WP be more humane then just focus on issues it feels is popular and news worthy too.
Granted that the Internet is like every man’s space, but self discipline is the best reputation to build up on publicly. As it is best to leave personal tragedies personal and not provide further avenues for more critical and slurring comments. Even slighting ones. If WP wants to be respectable so that the PAP government it is up against cannot be criticise by them, then it must know in principle when to stop.
Sincerely
Ron
Looks like Josie and her gang, TSM – former FM and Pastor Derek are not in the mood to talk about anything on the AWARE issue anymore.
May 10, 2009
AWARE SAGA
No mood to talk
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_374856.html
Either they have chosen to take several back steps for showing the Singapore public they are portrayed as “christian fundamentalist” or the are now savoring themselves in shame for having lost a huge battle in votes at the EGM or they are preparing and reorganizing themselves to take on another huge battle on the public front again.
Well, it seems that many questions have been answered and unanswered since their departure from office at AWARE exco. The only issue that Josie spoke up that she was happy she made a point on the CSE needing to be reviewed by MOE. But since I think her happiness is now fast fading with her job re designation in DBS.
Maybe in time we will find out the truths about their motivations to seize and hijack AWARE. We will eventually understand their true intentions why they did it and for what reason. I guess their christian agenda was not totally fulfilled because they removed before matters could have worsen under their christian rule of belief.
The truth why she got demoted.
Her boss’ comment on her perforamnce: DBS = Damn Bloody Slow.
I agree with Ron. I personally was dead against the Josie Lau exco all the way, and I hate the tactics they used. Thio left an even worse taste in my mouth.
DBS may have their commercial reasons for deciding to redesignate Josie, but I don’t think we should sink to the level of poking fun at her now. She has already suffered an awfully public slap in the face.
Well I agree it was indeed tough for her when the pastor and church members suddenly turned their backs on her.
Not only did they NOT turn up in droves, 99% of those who turned up left after casting their votes leaving Josie and Pussy Cats high and dry half the time.
Mother Mentos was only keen to promote herself amidst protests which drowned her easily. If only the mike on the floor is as loud as those on the stage.
If Josie felt she has been sidelined for what she had believed, she should do the only honourable option available – resign graciously.
While I agree with Ron that we should not poke fun at Josie (she should be already suffering the massive public humiliation).
Let this incident be a warning to all the future fundies, let them think of their a**es first, then venture into attacking a nice organization such as (old) AWARE
No sympathies from me.
She was advised specifically by DBS not to be involved, yet she ignored it. It implies she had considered the consequences beforehand.
Also, it was not the first time she had plunged DBS into controversies. As a VP, it implies a lack of consideration for her employer. DBS is the largest local bank in SG, moreover it has a sizable customer base in the heartlands. (thanks to POSB) The implications were clear that it will be detrimental to DBS for her to embark on a campaign that turns the customer base against DBS.
One (good?) thing about fundamentalists : it is not too far-fetched to say that Josie may not be suffering as some presumed. They wll probably frame it as suffering for greater glory, much like the Mumbai terrorists were promised fame and fortune in the afterlife.
Truly,if she has thoughts about discrimination against her because of her religion, she probably have to introspect whether she is the one who is creating the self-fulfilling fantasy.
I cannot help but feel that Josie is a pawn. She was thrust into the AWARE president role. Like the Mumbai terrorists, Josie lost and now have to make re-adjustments to her life. However, the instigators probably are sitting pretty and laughing away.
This is the real threat of religious fundamentalism; corrupting the minds of the gullible to make them perform to the whims of the so called authority. You can arrest all the footsoldiers, but as long as the generals remain at large, the plotting continues….
It will be hard for Josie Lau et al to see that they have been used or “pawned”
She will need professional help such as this:
Deconditioning, Deprogramming & Exit Coaching
at
http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/exit_coach.htm
Are you in a cult?
Words like extremist, cult and sect are difficult to define. Many businesses, militaries, government agencies and professional associations can be described as extremist by non-supporters. People supporting a human system such as a political party, a religion or a commercial organization may describe competing human systems as deviant, regressive, cults or sects.
(Cults promote a new religion or a new interpretation of an established religion, while sects are groups that have broken away from an established religion, often in protest against what they see as corruption or impure doctrine … Encyclopedia Encarta 2003.)
It’s a good news indeed. Josie doesn’t deserve any sympathy for what she had done.
hmmm… let us not forget that Josie and the Pussycats fired the Aware center manager for insubordination. Clearly, they can cry victim now that DBS also say insubordination, except they didn’t fire her. So kind.
Absolutely no sympathy for Josie; dig your own grave, and go lie in it.
However, as for the alleged double standards in “allowing Mr Liang Eng Hwa, the Manageing Director of the Treasury and Markets Division of DBS bank to become a PAP MP.” but not Josie because “[she] had not sought prior approval for this appointment and thereby breached the staff code of conduct.”,
could it be that Liang Eng Hwa did seek prior approval from his employer and got it?
DBS should set her for indecisive and easily influenced/make use by others. How can She stil lead a derpartment in this sitiution. She should have the gut to resign to serve the church or work under her mentor hen or whatever.
When is this going to end? sigh.. for me this week.
Is the society being too harshed? We need answers but not punishment for all and everything.
Mas Selamat was caught but will the 4 senior officers charged get their life back? Mr KS Wong got no worries – escape or not, he’s up there. This is what we say a ‘god like status.’ Civil Society – we are not.
Mdm Thio’s group should by now have realised the futility of ‘taking on the world’. But woe upon woes that a simple act in good faith to try to stem the deterioration of our society is treated as something with some sinister agenda.
Even if a hundredfold of their kin were to turn up and voted for them, it would also have been a temporary victory at best. How can the meek win in the face of fierce unrelenting liberals? They will have their way.
With the foreseeable scary change to our society being wrought by the aggresive liberals’ agenda, it is perhaps timely for all involved to accept and even promote the practice of lesbianism as a counter move. Seriously, this is in the interest of any woman or women’s group to consider.
It is a repugnant picture to say the least when in future, sodomy among males, encouraged by the favourable support given to the practice of anus and rectum sex between men, becomes part and parcel of life. Will our families and relatives, no matter what religion, rejoice at such a society? Perhaps they will, I don’t know.
Deliberately promoting woman&woman partnerships/marriages is a creative solution to the curse of widespread sodomy among males/males of our future generations. Female&female hus whrelationship/marriage relationships are inherently more genuine and non-exploitative in nature. And it is clinically, psychologically and aesthetically feasible and thus wholesome.
I personally hope to see this happen in future. As for the genuine male gays, yes it’s genuine and not simply an ‘addiction’ or a chosen lifestyle, we should understand their predicament and make life better for them by our learnt acceptance of them as a minority. But we should never, never unintentionally promote widespread sodomy or anus and rectum copulation to become a norm in our future society.
aiyo, how come no fired her?
To Outsider on Mon, 11th May 2009 7:10 am:
Re: “As for the genuine male gays, yes it’s genuine and not simply an ‘addiction’ or a chosen lifestyle, we should understand their predicament…”
You only betray more of your homophobia when you say that.
I am not in a predicament BECAUSE I am gay; I’m in a predicament because there are countless criminals in Singapore – the government and Christians included – who see it fit to interfere in my personal life and stand in the way of my happiness.
Re: “…make life better for them by our learnt acceptance of them as a minority.”
Not only acceptance, but RESPECT as well.
Yes, we are a numerical minority, but that alone is not the reason for any ‘acceptance’. Instead, it’s the tyranny of the majority that you have to guard against, as well as the conferring of the status of ‘minors’ (as distinct from numerical minority).
Outsider: why are you so fixateded on the details of sexual practices between consenting adults? Why focused on anal sex? It baffles me that people are so riled up by anal sex, or what people do in PRIVATE. I mean, come on, if anal sex is so distasteful, why the hell did the parliament repealled s377 for heterosexuals? So anal sex is acceptable for heterosexuals but not for same-sex couples? If you are so darn hateful of anal sex, get our MPs to re-ban anal sex for all. But you won’t, won’t you. Because many heterosexuals also practice anal sex. So please get off the peeping tom mentality and see that what goes on between consenting adults is none of anybody’s business. But imposing unequal laws is discriminatory. And your ridiculous view that the repeal of s377A will lead to mass sodomy is unfounded and irrational. Did it occur to you that sodomy was decriminalized in China in 1997? 1997! And did you witness mass orgy of sodomites? The truth is most people do not care about what consenting adults do in private. May be only you are interested in the sex lives of others.
Outsider, I think you need not worry about sodomy being widespread in general culture as that is practiced mainly between homosexual men and perhaps a minority of adventurous heterosexual couples. As a respect for privacy, as long as people don’t do it in public, whatever they do in their bedrooms are honestly none of our business.
The liberals don’t have a hidden agenda. They are just liberal as always. They speak freely and honestly because they are liberals.
Whereas Josie and team have a hidden agenda, which until now, they are not forthcoming and honest with the society at large about what they were trying to do. It does not help matters that their “feminist mentor” is Thio who claims to be able to cure cancer and stop tsunamis. I’m very sure as well that this is not the direction that society wants to go.
In addition, Josie and team’s secretive over-throwing of the ex-old guards of Aware have led to suspicion of steeplejacking:
http://dogemperor.newsvine.mobi/_news/2009/05/03/2767271-aware-proof-that-sometimes-the-good-guys-win
Steeplejacking is very real and is a very huge issue in the US. Mind control for adults, brain washing for children, abuse and violence against homosexual groups, etc.
As a Christian, I do not want to see Christianity in Singapore go this direction. For scarier effects, youtube for “Jesus Camp”. That’s no longer Christianity. That’s devil worship using the name of God.
Ron’s posting was actually titled “Is Josie’s Job a Private Matter?” For some reasons it was changed to “Anonymous”. If Ron had wanted to be, he wouldn’t have signed off with a name.
And …
mercy4all on Sun, 10th May 2009 9:00 pm
I agree with Ron. I personally was dead against the Josie Lau exco all the way, and I hate the tactics they used. Thio left an even worse taste in my mouth.
DBS may have their commercial reasons for deciding to redesignate Josie, but I don’t think we should sink to the level of poking fun at her now. She has already suffered an awfully public slap in the face.
Anonymous on Sun, 10th May 2009 7:44 pm
And now even her job at DBS is further sensational profitable news for the media and reported. I see that she has suffered personally and her job is a personal thing.
SO …
Is it indeed a sad day for us. As it is obvious that only “mercy4all” isn’t judgemental and has a FORGIVING heart. All you others display yourselves as such PERFECT beings like the “Holier than Thou” posting complains. Were you also the ones who did it? It’s a shame as it’s like you were never forgiven by your parents or others before.
AN HONOURABLE PERSON IS NOT ONE WHO INDULGES IN CARICATURES TO DEMOLISH ANOTHER CAREER IN A PUBLIC DOMAIN and SAVOURS IT. In flogging for the good of someone one knows is one thing. But to flog someone whom we do not know at all and publicly is a demeaning low mentality, egoistic and outlandish exacting “I AM HOLIER THAN THOU” posture NOT beffitting of An Educated person.
IF you enjoy leashing out MERCILESSLY at other’s error of ways and you also hate the PAP Cabinet’s past ways dealing with the Oppo – I ask – Are you not of Double Standard too?
Sincerely
Ron
Josie Lau n her team are nothing but a bunch of self-righteous, self centreded, Christian Right wing gang who try to take over an organisation in a tug-like manner. U are no different from the KKK!. DBS is right to stop u from dragging them into this fight.
All appear very good and aggressive arguments in support of anus and rectum sex in private.
The point is in time to come, more and more people will ‘quietly’ practise sodomy in private as an accepted wholesome normal activity.
What a change from a situation when there were ‘archaic’ laws prohibiting such. The next stem in the evolution of society perhaps will be the promoting of bestiality ie. copulating with animals eg pet dogs we love, male or female, to be strictly done in private. What difference does anus/rectum copulation make, because in this case, the ‘animal’ would be a human being.
Just a minority’s view of mine
The members and masses has spoken. The signal to Josie, the Puddy Cats, Mother Menthos and to other fundies are clear.
Any sneaky attempts to hijack NGO is not tolerated.
Go glorify your failure if you may and let this be a warning to others who intends to attempt the same.
The only one who got away relatively scot free is Derek Hong. He has expressed that he wants to leave the matter behind and “move on”.
He has chosen to “shut up and sit down”.
Pity the ladies.
Josie would fare better if she resigns from DBS and goes under the tutelage of Mother Mentos to be a high class “daang key”.
Outsider, your obsession with anal sex between strangers is unhealthy. Perhaps it is time you see a psychiatrist for your condition?
I completely agree with Ron in this. Aside from acknowledging the Josie has suffered enough distress as the natural consequence of her actions, continuing to sully her dignity further (or hope that she is fired altogether) like this would only paint us liberals as being as heartless and disrespectful as her exco was; and provide ammunition for the religious right’s accusation of a ruthless ‘homosexual agenda’.
Especially since on every topic even briefly mentioning AWARE, there is someone of their congregation present to stir up rabid debate on the morals of homosexual sex by hastily typing in inflammatory and religious language; and often in really bad English too. I do not believe that all these comments were meant to convince us or anyone else that anal sex is evil – rather they were stated in order to enrage liberal commentors into replying overemotionally and en masse in order to give the impression that we are an organised movement.
Consider how some of our comments here could be taken out of context when quoted in mainstream and conservative media.
Outsider, I suggest that you get psychiatric help. Your obsession with fear of the anal sex topic is really screwing up your mind.
Religion. A human invention for the waging of the war for your mind.
# stronghold on Mon, 11th May 2009 10:02 am
Heheheh. Mental sex or anal sex, which is more shiok??
If Thio Su Mien is so “gifted in prophetic intercession”, how come she couldn’t prevent Josie Lau from being demoted? Besides preventing a tsunami from whacking Singapore, what else can she do? Turn off ERP gantries temporarily? Create green wave of traffic lights? Stop swine flu? Or maybe she just popped over to her neighbour’s place (he happens to be a DBS director) and said, “Give chance lah! Don’t fire, just transfer can liao.”
You’ve all been had
…. out of good intentions, Josie responded to the call to go out of comfortable church and serve in society…then AWARE asked for new blood(now we know literally!) in the committee but left her to hang when pro LGBT exert pressure. Media put spotlight on her religion and cried COUP! … and all followed (…readership skyrocketed)… anti christian public got smoked and cast a stone at her. Christian groups also got smoked and start arguing as if this is a christian issue.
There was never a coup by Josie et al, you guys are so gullible if you still don’t see it
Poor Josie, she probably regrets the day she allowed herself to be talked into this fiasco by that silly aunt of hers, the Female Dementor. Sorry, I meant Feminist Mentor.
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JohnnyKid on Mon, 11th May 2009 9:41 am
Outsider, your obsession with anal sex between strangers is unhealthy. Perhaps it is time you see a psychiatrist for your condition?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I’d rather YOU see a specialist for rectum cancer soon!
I think Josie should be re-designated as counter staff to either man the ques or to attend to walk-in customers. Then she’ll be in a better position to exercise her influence on anti-gay stance. But then she probably be the oldest counter staff
isay, the point you raised would be so reasonable…. if Mrs Thio hasn’t already come out and said she arranged the coup.
let’s get into perpective:
1. Josie and team voted legitimately into AWARE EXCO
2. After 11 Days, the President resigned and Josie voted in
3, Regardless of race, language, religion,all inclusive., etc,Josie’s team happened to be Chinese majority and Christian..yet people are still criticising the team for being just that
4. Her team did not plan to exclude other races or religion
5. the media were heavily dousing details about them
6. In a space of less than 2 weeks of taking office,their were being viewed as anti this and that…when they have done nothing yet and not given a chance to let themselves be known.
They were never against homosexuals,but against the promotion of homosexuality. That is a big difference…just like if one is against say drugs,it doesn’t mean one is against drug addicts but against the promotion of the misuse and abuse of drugs….one can be against a womanizer of a man but doesn’t mean one is bent on destroying that man or against heterosexuals.
7. At the EGM, they have no chance to settle down…
To Josie and her team, nice try and you did well
To the current team, the expenditure of S$90k was the result of the big hoo ha surrounding the month old exco,mainly to protect AWARE and the AWARE members at the point of time…am sure the bulk was spent on security measures…
good day
josie and gang should’ve adopted the attitude of skudai folks towards mas selamat, ‘don’t know don’t care’. let the homos be, they don’t go around poking straws up your noses so why go antagonise? she made it her mission to stir up sh!t, of course the repercussions are 10fold.
& in the first place, does anyone choose to be straight or is he born straight? then the gay argument would apply same.
JamesZZ, Mrs Thio only said she has mentored these women and encouraged them to serve in society. No mention anywhere of planned coup, hijack, insidious takeover and the like as instigated by media and alleged by AWARE….
Heard that she does go around inspiring women to stand up and do more for society over the last 10 or 20 years…? She comes across to me as eccentric, hardly the threat that she is made out to be. If it was a real coup, do you think Josie and team would have performed so miserably?
Hi isay, Mrs Thio was the one who got all those people to join the organization to throw the power balance to their side during voting day.
As for the coup, well it did happen. They just didn’t manage to hold on to their roles cos they did not inspire trust in people with their silence and actions. And when Mrs Thio came out and made a few media statements, it only made things worse (claiming to be friends of the founders, MOE asking her to substantiate her evidence after which she kept quiet (hence casting doubt on her claims, her leaked emails, etc.)
AS for the $90k, as stated in their constitution, they were supposed to ask the members for permission if expenditure was more than $20k a month. When they did not do so, its either because they did so wilfully, they assumed the members would automatically agree, or they did it ignorantly, all of which showed that they were not fit to be the exco either due to high-handedness, bypassing the proper procedures, or ignorance of the rules of the organization.
Now if they had formed their own organization and written their own constitution for it, all this would not have happened
ANDJUSTICE4ALL
1. Josie and team voted legitimately into AWARE EXCO < yah, after they had rallied troops to vote the old guards out SINCE DEC 2008 stating in an email, “This is what you were born to do”.
2. After 11 Days, the President resigned and Josie voted in < yah, Who wants to work with Josiebel and the pussy cats?
3, Regardless of race, language, religion,all inclusive., etc,Josie’s team happened to be Chinese majority and Christian..yet people are still criticising the team for being just that < yah, it also happened that they were mentored by Thio for years and then decided to sign up at Aware and vote themselves into the exco.
4. Her team did not plan to exclude other races or religion < yah, perhaps easier said if they HAD allowed the old guards who were ALREADY of other races and religion to continue to run Aware.
5. the media were heavily dousing details about them < yah, they DESERVE it.
6. In a space of less than 2 weeks of taking office,their were being viewed as anti this and that…when they have done nothing yet and not given a chance to let themselves be known.
They were never against homosexuals,but against the promotion of homosexuality. That is a big difference…just like if one is against say drugs,it doesn’t mean one is against drug addicts but against the promotion of the misuse and abuse of drugs….one can be against a womanizer of a man but doesn’t mean one is bent on destroying that man or against heterosexuals. < yah, who cares. They way they staged the coup and their failure to address public concerns says alot.
7. At the EGM, they have no chance to settle down…
To Josie and her team, nice try and you did well
To the current team, the expenditure of S$90k was the result of the big hoo ha surrounding the month old exco,mainly to protect AWARE and the AWARE members at the point of time…am sure the bulk was spent on security measures… < yah, just because they were smiling does no mean they were nice. Read all the facts about the AGM, about how they shut off the mics while the old guard supporters tried to speak, how they passed fake information that registration were turning away old guard supporters. Read it all before you speak your bigotted nonsense.
Jameszz, if you don’t see it, then so be it. All will be revealed in due time…
Isay, if you don’t WANA see it, then so be it. All will be revealed in due time.
Thanks solsay, well said…
To them who still enjoy bashing her, I say tell us how you would have handled the situation. As in hindsight it is always easy to criticise. Now you knuckleheads give us some smart and wise ideas and let’s see how smart and wise you really are? And remember it’ll still just be hypothetical haw. So there’s your 2nd advantage too after judging her from the sidelines! Take up the challenge and show us all your prowess and honourable conduct and wisdom to “teach” one & all!
Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads? on Mon, 11th May 2009 11:44 pm “To them who still enjoy bashing her, I say tell us how you would have handled the situation…Take up the challenge and show us all your prowess and honourable conduct and wisdom to “teach” one & all!”
A person with any integrity would not get involved in such a devious plot in the first place. As for “teaching”, isn’t that just what your own self-righteous and sarcastic post is trying to do?
To isay: see what? they broke the constitution. Even their lawyers agree that they did. There is no arguement about that.
As for how the situation should have been handled, easy.
Follow the constitution.
Get permission from the members. At the very least INFORM them before hand so that the members can make their opinions known or give alternative suggestions. Do not let people find out by themselves. Thats one sure fire way of getting into their bad books.
Was it so difficult to send out even a notification? Apparently. And one does not need to be a genius to figure that out, nor smart and wise to realize that.
To Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads? on Mon, 11th May 2009 11:44 pm:
Re: “To them who still enjoy bashing her, I say tell us how you would have handled the situation.”
That’s easy.
If I attend a church that is explicit in its anti-feminist stand, then I wouldn’t get invloved in a plot to overthrow the exco of an organization that is founded on feminism in the first place.
I would respect the right of a feminist based organization to exist.
And this is no hindsight speaking here.
It’s a code of ethics I’ve had like forever.
Please stop bashing Josie, in thought and in words. She has suffered enough since day one of the whole unsavoury episode.
Much saliva and worn keyboards could have been saved if people have been arguing on the specifics rather than vague generalisations and wrong assumptions.
From the start, one side has an unwaveringly dogged bias against ALL homo-sexy people. But this is unrealistic. Because in this world, there are really genuine homo-sexy people whose minds naturally think that way, ie they may be in a ‘macho’ male body, but their minds are to all intents and purposes that of a woman, and vice versa too. So the Mdm Thio/Josie group could not win their ‘battle’ simply because they are making an unrealistic demand on a blanket basis, namely by regarding ALL homo-sexy people as wrong-doers. Genuine homos, which is a minority, must be accepted, respected and loved as such.
On the other hand, the original Aware group tends to give the clear impression that they are, by means of their slanted messages and suggestions which appeared in the CSE for schools, deliberately or otherwise, all out to promote a ‘liberal’ homosex agenda to all and sundry. In this regard, the subliminal effects of just a single suggestive statement, eg “premarital sex, anus sex, etc, is good”, unconsciously accepted, must not be underestimated. Then ordinary people’s behaviour will be unconsciously influenced by these routinely propagated statements, especially when they know that it is advocated by an agency of authority in society, and are thus acceptable without further questioning.
At this point, since MOE has very wisely, I think, halted the ‘whole damn nuisance’, it is up to Aware, no matter who is at the helm, to put their act together and ensure that while they are fighting for the human rights of the minority of the genuine homos, they must also exercise great care in the crafting of their educational messages, etc so as to practise inclusivesness and fairness to those significant number of people who are against the advocacy of the homo lifestyle as a norm ‘for all and sundry’.
Lastly, in the light of the existence of genuine homos, it will be prudent if the Mdm Thio/Josie group will ‘fine-tune’ their objections as a group and present their specific objections as concerned members of Aware. Of course when it come to voting on the specifics, superior numbers again will be the deciding factor.
To Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads?
“To them who still enjoy bashing her, I say tell us how you would have handled the situation.”
First of all, I would be clean about the intent of the coup at the AGM and subsequently. Secondly, I would prepare myself to present my views on national TV and not to be avoidant and give totally vague answers.
“Take up the challenge and show us all your prowess and honourable conduct and wisdom to “teach” one & all!”
I’m not a woman.
But I do teach my “students” to have a clean conscience and make the world a better place, to be caring and not to discriminate. Even to psychotic patients.
Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads?
Instead of upsurping a secular organisations to inject my personal beliefs and religious views, I would have written an open letter to the then Aware exco to voice my concerns.
It should always have been just that and not the religious rampage that occured. Period.
I would advise Josie to pick a savvier mentor, find a street-smart team and brush up on her “so called” communications skills. I would also strongly strongly encourage her to practice her public speaking skills because in this day and age, style is as much important as substance, if not more. And lastly, as a career advice, don’t get your bosses mad.
Is that enough for you?
Did you Dear … ’stronghold of a man or woman in lower case and invisble cybernet net now rancouring and judging as both judge & juror too?
So, from what position of Apellate and.or Theology and Substantial known respectable respected mainstream organisation that nakes you authorites on s\the subject matters you write about?
Know too that when one only propergate to propels one’s personla opinions with credible substantive backups, then one becomes the very comments that one slants to slur another with?
The QUALITY of one’s mind shows in one’s writings. And so former US 1st Lady Eleanoe Roosave once said of people this way …
“Great Minds Discuss Ideas.
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people”
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stronghold on Tue, 12th May 2009 9:24 am
Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads?
Instead of upsurping a secular organisations to inject my personal beliefs and religious views, I would have written an open letter to the then Aware exco to voice my concerns.
It should always have been just that and not the religious rampage that occured. Period.
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And to “To Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads”. What class of knowledge, experience and quality mind are you too? Sensational egos trips of the contemporary, non-literacy and impressionistic kinds?
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To Are Nay Sayers of Josie Knuckleheads? on Tue, 12th May 2009 9:33 am
I would advise Josie to pick a savvier mentor, find a street-smart team and brush up on her “so called” communications skills. I would also strongly strongly encourage her to practice her public speaking skills because in this day and age, style is as much important as substance, if not more. And lastly, as a career advice, don’t get your bosses mad.
Is that enough for you?
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Last and the least, are you both a Sage in your own rights to even fully know another’s inner mind’s intentions before it can be proven beyond doubt what their real efforts and minds were up to?
Sincerely
Ron
To Anonymous on Tue, 12th May 2009 11:23 am
Even when intentions are known, the fact is that they did not know how to run the organization, broke the constitution, exceeded their allocated budget and had lousy PR skills. One does not need to see the inner mind’s intention to make judgements when commenting on facts that undeniably took place.
To Anonymous “insurgent” on Tue, 12th May 2009 11:23 am
Better invisible with a nick than invisible with annonymous.
“Great Minds Discuss Ideas.
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people”
It’s all been discussed. And self-centred minds cannot see at all.
There are still many unanswered questions regarding the AWARE takeover – the silent period, the secrecy and stealth. Whatever answered they gave were unsatisfactory, and it still baffles me as to the true agenda they really had.
This is the price they have to pay for their actions and replies – public distrust.
I would definitely prefer to have only people whose values I know and trust to be at the top of important organisations (DBS) or in parliament.
It’s no wonder people are gloating at her misfortune. I still rest uneasy when I remember their real agenda has yet to be uncovered.
Since there is such a lively debate here about relative go and no go about anal sex can someone with a legal law background refresh everyone’s memory here once and for all, the reasons that were given by the authoritities in Singapore when they decided to repeal the law on sodomy for heterosexual couples in singapore.
I will start the ball rolling by posting the wikipedia link to quote
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law#Singapore
I remembered when this law was about to be repealed for heteros there was a thunderingly deafening silence from the so called religiously inclined to debate that this law should be retained.
Not one, usually outspoken religious group stepped up and said anything I remembered.
So i am not surprised if some alert minded people would notice the disprepancy in response of people who oppose due to religious conviction and then kept quite when it applies the other way.
Sp to come to the conclusion that double standards are involved and hypocrisy is apllied is a fair conclusion to come to in the end.
am I not right ? But if anyone has a balancing viw please do enlighten.
There maybe a few reasons why. May i propose,
1) Nobody understood the implications of the repeal of the said law applied to the heterosexual couple.
2) Nobody wanted to toch this hot potato topic.
3) It was deemed to wild to imagination to even broach about it.
Actually, there WAS a debate in parliment on the 377, during the course of which a certain Thio Li Ann made a speech that was very much against the homosexual community, which was so famous that some Australian judge even referenced it in one of his own speeches.
You know, the former NMP who also happened to be daughter of Thio Su Mien….
out… OUT u demons of stupidity!!!
no more casting aspersions
imho, i still think Josie Lau should be fired.
No doubt, she has achieved her objective in “raising the profile of AWARE” thru marketing and PR, she has also exercised a very bad fund management tactic.
As a non-for-proft organisation, AWARE is capable of getting pro bono services from lawyer and get venue sponsorships but she rather splurge $90k on the “LV” of lawyers (i.e. Rajah & Tann) and the venue in Suntec. How to trust someone to be working in a financial institution like that?
In all aspects of business, keeping within the budget (in this case is $20k each mth) should always be the basic rule. If this was The Apprentice, Donald Trumph would definitely say “Josie you are fired!”
To Outsider on Tue, 12th May 2009 8:57 am:
Re: “Genuine homos, which is a minority, must be accepted, respected and loved as such.”
You can start by not referring to us as “homos’ but “gays”.
Would you like it if I referred to you as a “chink”?
I can’t resist but have to say this: WHY ARE CHRISTIANS SO OBSESSED WITH SEX? WHY DO THEY SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON POLICING WHAT PEOPLE DO IN BED?
Ok, I got that out. Now I can think better. My response to Joy:
I was away (studying abroad… still am) when s377 issue came about, so I do not have a first hand experience on the sentiments on the ground when it was repealed for heterosexuals. I can only give you my opinion, and opinions are inherently one-sided, that it’s a matter of hypocrisy. The loudest anti-anything were the Christian camps but they chose to keep quite on this issue, but instead focused on attacking homosexuals. And they know if they were to say that sodomy laws should be kept for all, the non-Christians majority jump at them. So who to attack, a even weaker minority–gay men.
Power Politics 101: To achieve standing as a moral authority, you need to find a target to set an example. You pick a weak foe. In this case, pick the homosexuals because not only are they a numerical minority, they also have very little influence and representation in politics and government. Milk this as much as you can so that you get positioned as a moral authority on homosexual issues. At the same time, avoid hot topics like banning prostitution, abortion, divorce, clergy from working with young children, etc., because they know they will have not support, and in fact, may be targeted by outrage from non-believers who feel their rights being challenged. Meekly assert your positions on these issues, but don’t actively pursue banning of these practices. It will be political suicide. But prey on the gays because they could be an easy win. Legislate against them and when you get discriminatory laws passed, send out the press releases and proudly proclaim that you have won against immorality. As the same time, quietly conceal the fact that immorality happens in their own flock…
Facts of Religious Hypocrisy:
- Porn in the USA: Conservatives are biggest consumers
- Sex, Christian Conservatives, and Private Vice: Whither American Conservatism, Part 3
There are more on the internet. Do a google on topics such as religious immorality, christian sex scandals, etc. Use you imagination, you’ll find a trove of news articles and even some research on “immoral consumption habits” of the so-called moral religionists.
The all-Chinese Christian girl gang-of-six : GodMother plus Josie and her band of sisters are still determine to rule AWARE, maybe given a chance, SINGAPORE and permitted by GOD, may rule the world! What are they? self-styled martyrs like Mat Selamat? For him, he’s containable as everybody knows who he is and his harmful capabilites!These ‘mafia’ girls are also harmful than they seem in their quests TO IMPOSE THEIR WILLS AND VALUES ON OTHERS! with their resources and connections! The probable reason Josie still bent on joining the old guard AWARE team is to indoctrinate and change existing values there with her own. Got a suggestion here, why not set up own AWARE to challenge the OLD AWARE on values and see which one dies a natural death due to lack of memberships, rather, than entering into a hostile zone again, thereby, risking ‘war’ whilst fellow Christian Commander Pastor Derek Hong send his Christian troops from his Anglican Church of HIS Saviour into the AWARE territory as a reinforcement to ‘fight’ the enemy at the AWARE voting sessions! (Josie will probably be unable to focus well on her banking job as AWARE seems to be her top priority!) Don’t these unreal group wake up that everybody has a right to his life? What happens if these misfits became the government of the day? They will prohibit all gays etc.. just like Hitler’s lunatic extermination of Jews, because he hated the Jews! Did Jesus Christ destroy these unfortunate class of people? Don’t criticised other faiths for their non- active involvement in this debatable subject as they fair very much better,other than the islamic extremists, on the religious scale. I am not a gay, I am a chinese and has quit being a Church Christian ( also met like-minded others too!) because I do not and don’t like the Church’s values! After all the fiasco at AWARE, the 5+1 did shut up but did not sit down instead, left nonchalantly, elsewhere to enjoy their dinner! Like a tornado that comes and go, leaving destruction, in this case financially, ($90k) in it’s wake!
wonder which department Josie has transferred to… hmmmm…
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Robox on Wed, 13th May 2009 12:04 am
“… You can start by not referring to us as “homos’ but “gays”…”
I thought they mean the same thing and used that as a neutral term. I honestky didn’t know ‘homos’ is an offensive term. Will you kindly enlighten on the difference between the terms “gay” and homo”, besides the gender aspect?
it’s not like she cant afford to be fired. her husband owns the chain of lifeline clinics
A partner of the chain of lifeline clinics has openly speak out and against Alan Chin (Checkout Ovidia Yu wordpress).
outsider: Yes, some LGBT people feel that words such as “homos” and “lesbos” are quiet derogatory. They were often said in a spiteful manner with intend to hurt, ridicule, intimidate, insult, etc. Saying “homos” and “lesbos” is equivalent to calling someone who is Pakistani “paki”, Chinese “chink”, or Indian “ah-neh”. It is preferable to use currently acknowledged terms such as “gay” and “lesbian”. And the transsexuals get it even worse, so please just address them in their current gender identity. It is hurtful and mean to call them other names, such as “ah-kwa”, “he-she”, “tranny”, etc.
The rightists warn us to repent before it is too late. the wrath of God is unerring and severe. stop your sinful detestable unnatural acts of Satan.
Now kneel and grovel for heaven’s mercy as our prophetic divine Messiah intercede with God on us sinners’ behalf.
Believe this? faith or reason?
Samie on Wed, 13th May 2009 11:00 am
Dear Samie
You wrote:
“A partner of the chain of lifeline clinics has openly speak out and against Alan Chin (Checkout Ovidia Yu wordpress).”
I checked but could not find the article. Pls provide the link.
Thanks
Doubt “stronghold” and the others who are so self-righteous senstionalistic nad derogatory as Bam Bam said, know even what Eleanor Roosovelt meant by “Discuss Ideas”. husband was one of the most respected US President’s of all time. So what did she mean haw?
You see they even referred to me as Anonymous though I had signoff as “Sincerely, Ron”! How significant are non-thorough people who just wanna have some cyber tic-a-tit and rat-a-tat-tat to kill time or to feed theirs bloated egos. We’ll be foolish to think they’re for shared values in humanities and cultures in mutual learning.
I do wonder too how much and how deep Eleanour contributed to her husband Franklin Roosevelt as US president then hah? Doubt they even know the his middle name initial between these 2 nams given. Guess they will now frantically google for it and tell us we don’t know any better. Let’s not waste any more time with this kind of self-centred ‘gelatine’ characters who no better time to spend their limited time in this life. But to smear, pour flammatory judgements without due regard to what’s is privacy or not!
Adios
Ron
Check Comments under Dr Bernard Cheong
http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/aware-egm-akan-datang/#comments
http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/post-egm-still-high/#comments
Hi anonymous/ron. If you wanna be identified, why not leave your name on the top right off? Its not as if you were using the “Name” field for anything else useful. If you leave it as that and STILL sign your name at the bottom, we can only assume “anonymous” was used for a reason.
As for FDR, there are a few of us who are well traveled, or even those who are interested in WWII history who can easily name him. I was in states 2 years, during social studies class they make us memorize stuff like location of 50 states, names and capitals plus FULL names of all the presidents (up to the Clinton when I was studying).
FDR -> D is Deleno/daleno… I recall the pronounciation, not sure abt the spelling though hah hah;)
Eh… what’s flammatory about stating facts ie. the committee she led spending excessive amounts of money without proper authorization? Or the way they conducted the takeover? Its all covered in the press already, how come no one suing them yet if it was defamation? They can get a lot more money from ST since the damages awarded for such lawsuits scale according to the size of audience of the defamation remarks.
Considering they have the lawyer FM as their pro bono lawyer (don’t tell me she wants to charge them fess for what she led them through)
Dear fairplay,
I posted the links this afternoon but I think they did not pass the moderators….
Samie on Wed, 13th May 2009 11:24 pm
Dear Samie
Thanks for the link. Dr Bernard Cheong is an avid watch collector. A very balanced man. Despite being an exclassmate and partner of Alan Chin, a christian too, (based on his quote on the bible) he dares to openly comment on the doing of his partner’s wife and gang shows his honesty and integrity towards this issue. Not sure if the Lifeline partnership will break!
For some reasons best known to the wp moerators, the last anonymous heading was inserted in place of my posted heading. People who aren’t observant don’t not or rmemeber pf my couple of postings menttioning this. It’s wps perrogative haw! And I’ve said adios and so won’t engage in thiose mindless chatters anymore. Thanks dear Samie for your sincerity in reply to fairplay as you didn’t have to if you won’t Both of your make sense by sharing and not smearing, searing and slighing other. I did it only because as you surely know too that the voluptuous egos were just too repeatively volumest.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/chit-chatting/426811-dr-thios-interesting-background.html
Quote extracted from the above site:
“What I am hearing from former members of COOS is that this was a much different church more than 5 years ago.
A different agenda.
A different set of pastors.
Then, for some reason, a group of pastors leaving the church, with Derek Hong and his faction victorious.
You are right in considering if COOS itself was steeplejacked.”
And you automatically assume that others are purposely slighting you by calling you “anonymous”. If they are intent on slighting you, they would not have even bothered to also include the timestamp of the post at all. In fact it merely shows that they are doing what many people automatically do when referring to posts: Cutting and pasting the Title/Name/Header.
Jumping to conclusions regarding other people’s intent is not a good way to conduct a civil discussion
Samie on Wed, 13th May 2009 11:24 pm
Dear Samie
Thanks for the link. Dr Bernard Cheong is an avid watch collector. A very balanced man. Despite being an exclassmate and partner of Alan Chin, a christian too, (based on his quote on the bible) he dares to openly comment on the doing of his partner’s wife and gang shows his honesty and integrity towards this issue. Not sure if the Lifeline partnership will break!
Your brain is tired. The slighting is about not slighting about job matter which is pte. Focus don’t confuse. Wide angle lens do take distorted pics. Robocop.
It’s her punishment from her god…
Now she can devore much of her time setting up COOAL.( Church Of Our Anti-Lesbian )
I am disgusted by the people ’s attitude here.
Such self-righteous attiture, no different from those
whom you condemned.
I’m prepared to consider COOS steeplejacked…because I believe its not the only one.
To P
“I am disgusted by the people ’s attitude here.
Such self-righteous attiture, no different from those
whom you condemned.”
And your post shows you aren’t any different