JohnnyKid on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:01 pm 

There is a major flaw in his treatment of homosexuality as an addiction. The commonality of all forms of addiction, be it sex, gambling, alcohol, gaming or drugs is that the addiction will destroy the addicted person’s life. That’s why it is called an addiction.

If homosexuality is an addiction, then how come the addicted person is living his usual life?

Nicholas on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:05 pm 

hee hee hee WP – you are amazing…where you dig up such stuff sia! got leak at some stat boards izzit? hahaha

ok i don’t agree with everything in this letter and i don’t think it’s part of some conscious homosexual plot(!), but i do think its a serious issue to look at

as for why parents are only taking action now – it’s simply because they only know about it now

Yamasam on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:10 pm 

While the battle for control of Aware may be over for now, the opposing view on the fundamental issue related to homosexuality is not. For the Christian right, it is not acceptable. Neutrality is not good enough. There is no middle ground.

The stakes are being raised and will continue to be raised in the near term. Some arms may have to be twisted or some heads may have to be broken before it will fade into the background.

The next potential flashpoint is May 16 at Hong Lim. Hope I’m wrong on this.

Anonymous on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:16 pm 

I need to laugh. Seriously.

Eyes Open Shut on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:36 pm 

There is a difference between temptation (the thought but not the act), fad (passing phase), habit (part of character) and addiction (you have a new master, and you do things you know is against your conscience, social behaviour and norms, law of the land and clear defined boundaries).

Homosexuals are not homosexuals because of their thought (temptation), but by their actions and lifestyle (habit). They will justify their behaviour and choices, though they know they are a small minority, and what they do is outside the social norms.

They practice same-sex sex with some regularity. Their conscience might have one time bothered them, and probably not anymore. they struggle to be considered normal.

The activist homosexual tries to change social norm, much like the fanatical militants. It might be subtle, covert or open, but their agenda is to push the societal norm of “abnormal bahaviour into “acceptable” under the guise of “new” social order.

Surprisingly, it is not a “new” militancy. History records such attempts that have, rather consistently, impacted societies (some to its decay and destruction). It has not been contributory to any societal progress, though they claim a progressive society accepts them. They do contribute economically, but like a virus that destroys its host (think H1N1), their lifestyle breaks and destroys the societal fabric, foundation and future.

Many of their supporters are not informed of what they do, thought they support their LGBT friends. If they did (and perhaps the LGBT will share openly with as much pride as they badge themselves as one), many will puke, faint, vomit, etc, and many more others will cry.

So, like the majority with the likes of Nga, and 99% of the Singapore population, we accept and love the LGBT person, and help him to grow out of that lifestyle.
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“5 mins” is too long – how much heroin does it take to make you an addict? And 5 mins – even less – is all that is needed. Psycops people will tell you they can do it even with less! How long does it take for someone to accept paying for sexual services from the moment of the wink? How many small infected mosquitoes does it take to bite you to pass the dengue virus to you? How many viruses does it take to infect a person a billion times larger than its mass?

Ashinigami on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:48 pm 

Yet another Thio in action.

Outsider on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:58 pm 

Seriously, this whole thing is no laughing matter, although the thought now of sodomy being a possibly common occurrence among the male populace in future will tickle one’s senses no end.

I for one also cannot now accept that genuine homosexual and lesbian characteristics can be classified as an addiction.

For those genuine minority homo cases, it is an in-built thinking ‘property’ of their mind and definitely not an addiction as such, and science will eventually lend support to this.

But the danger of addiction is real among ordinary males (I am biased against males in this instance)who are not homosexual. There is the danger of ordinary males getting the wrong message that sodomy is a ‘neutral’ and thus acceptable to indulge in freely, in preference to other forms of pleasurable activity. Once started, many may be stuck and be unable to cease practising it. And this is what we called addiction.

Pry Eyes Open on Wed, 6th May 2009 4:59 pm 

You are blinded by this bunch of fundies who take advantage of ignorants like you to win their “battle” of turning this to a christian nation. Well, of course you won’t object if you are of the same faith. Why this same intensity for gays as Hitler did?

http://religiousevilcompendium.blogspot.com/2008/07/hitler-never-killed-homosexuals.html

Here’s some facts:

Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians,[1] were two of several groups targeted by the Nazi Party and were ultimately among the roster of Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, and they were compelled to sexually conform to the German norm. An estimated 1.2 million men were out homosexuals in Germany in 1928.[citation needed] Between 1933-45, more than 100,000 men were registered by police as homosexuals (”Rosa Listen” or “Pink List”), and of these, some 50,000 were officially sentenced. Most of these men spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of the total sentenced were incarcerated in concentration camps. It is unclear how many of these 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the concentration camps. The leading scholar Ruediger Lautman however believes that the death rate in concentration camps of imprisoned homosexuals may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors, and were also persecuted by their fellow inmates. This was a factor in the relatively high death rate for homosexuals, compared to other “anti-social groups”

stronghold on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:00 pm 

How can homosexuality or gay be a NEUTRAL word!?

It’s obviously a POSITIVE word!!! =)

Dangers of Blind Faith on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:10 pm 

http://rolandhulme.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-do-christians-hate-gay-people.html

Let’s Get Real

Having examined the flaws in the fundamentalist position, it’s worth taking a step back at looking at the big picture. The anti-gay argument is seriously flawed. Only in the narrowest, most blinkered interpretation of scripture is it possible to determine that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible (although not by Jesus himself.)

That raises the question: Why are fundamentalist Christians SO vehemently opposed to accepting homosexuality?

I believe the answer to that one lies in recent history.

Man & Woman?

Currently, the major sticking point Christians are unwilling to budge on is the subject of gay marriage. Not just the term ‘marriage,’ but the idea of offering same-sex couples in committed relationships the same legal protection married couples have.

It’s rather alarming to look back just forty years to see a similar position being upheld in the southern United States – protesting marriage between the races.

During the first half of the 20th century, all across the United States, there were laws enacted to separate black people from white. They went to different schools, rode different buses and even drank out of different water fountains. Top of the list of ‘racial crimes’ was an interracial marriage between a white person and a black one.

In 1967, Loving vs. Virginia was a hotly contested court case that saw a black woman marry a white man in the District of Columbia (as was allowed in the American capital.) When the married couple moved back to their home state of Virginia, a grand jury issued an indictment against the couple as they’d married in violation of Virginia’s segregation laws.

On sentencing the couple, the judge announced the following:

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

Note the opening words: ‘Almighty God.’

Just like in the argument against gay marriage, it’s the Lord’s name used (taken in vain) and it’s apparently his will that blacks and whites be separated.

But the Lovings did not capitulate – and the court case reached the Supreme Court – the highest court in all of America. Nearly ten years after their original indictment, the Lovings were allowed to remain married, on the grounds that Virginia’s segregation laws were unconstitutional and “odious to a free people whose institutions are founded upon the doctrine of equality.”

Chief Justice Warren explained his ruling:

“Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival. To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State’s citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.”

Note that the gender of the ‘person’ a man is free to marry is never mentioned. Some people argue it’s implied – but other people logically argue that the only requirements to marry is mutual consent by both parties (rendering senator John Cornyn’s ‘box turtle’ argument void, since a box turtle, or any animal, is incapable of offering informed consent to marry.)

Bigotry in Faith’s Clothing

The alarming thing comparing Loving vs. Virginia to the modern day argument against gay marriage are the similarities. It seems like it’s the same old cast, performing the same old script, just four decades later.

While certain Christians were instrumental in securing Civil Rights for African-Americans, the core support for racial segregation across the United States came from the majority of ‘decent,’ normal, Church-going Americans. The same people who are now protesting against gay marriage.

In fact, the scriptural arguments were quite similar, too – with the ‘mark of Cain’ often being interpreted as dark skin, thereby offering scriptural evidence to support the assumption that black people were spiritually inferior to whites.

Such scriptural interpretations were clearly just cynical attempts to hide racism and bigotry behind the legitimacy of religion. I honestly don’t see how the Christian position on homosexuality is any different today.

It’s quite clear that the most verbal opponents of gay rights aren’t fighting against homosexual equality for any ‘greater good’ or ‘higher calling.’ They simply don’t like gay people. They’re scared of the effects ‘gay’ people will have on good, old-fashioned ‘family values.’

But that’s no different to white people in the 1950’s being scared of the effect ‘negro culture’ would have on polite, white society – heralded by the arrival of ‘rock & roll’ music.

It doesn’t necessarily mean the Church goers in the 1950’s or the fundamentalist Christians of today are necessarily bad people. They’re just not exposed to homosexual people in the same way those of us in urban areas are – and are therefore apprehensive about people they know nothing about (aside from whispered rumors and Church mandated anti-homosexual propaganda.)

This is why the anti-gay movement is much stronger in America’s heartland than places like New York City or California. In New York, we know that the gay community wants nothing more than the basic civil liberties the ‘heartland’ of America was denying black people less than half a century ago.

The right to avoid discrimination. The legal protection of an officially recognized, consensual, monogamous, committed relationship. The right for certain aspects of ‘gay history’ like the Stonewall Riots to be recognized – just like important events in the history of the Civil Rights movement are recognized.

In protesting so vehemently against this, I’m worried the fundamentalist Christians are being enormously hypocritical. In the New Testament, Jesus certainly never said anything about homosexuality, so by putting his name behind a movement to repress and deny other human beings their basic human rights seems totally against everything Christianity is supposed to stand for.

“They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.” Titus 1:16

WP, you are disappointing on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:22 pm 

WP, looks like you are really no different from the Main Stream Media afterall – through the reporting of the AWARE related news, you had so clearly compromised the neutrality which you had credibly built up over the months. Very disappointing.

Solo Bear on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:26 pm 

The debate on CSE is over. Parents have won the battle against the Gay Pride. MOE has decided to suspend AWARE’s CSE.

Nicholas on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:31 pm 

Aware sex guide suspended – http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_373200.html

Nicholas on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:50 pm 

kudos to MOE for admitting they made a mistake honestly and quickly

boo to the media for playing public opinion against the people who were only trying to do the right thing – BOTH mainstream and alternative media

boo to the uninformed fools who went to vote back in the old guard, simply because they seemed to be “innocent and victimsed underdogs” – something the press played out so well

Anonymous on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:21 pm 

See..the Feminist Mentor should have just complained to MOE – and the programme would have been suspended. She should not have wasted her time, and everybody’s, by taking over AWARE. The solution was just so simple!

Eyes Open Shut on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:33 pm 

No smoke without fire – that (certain individuals of) the old AWARE intentionally had a LGBT agenda is a historical fact. They have stealthily (starting with 5 mins) introduced their agenda in a legitimized curriculum under the legitimate umbrella of a legitimate organization of repute.

I hope Dana Lam would not become known as D-anal Lam. The future AWARE has an important role to play to protect, support and help women, as the old/early AWARE was firmly established to do so.

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Re: Pry Eyes Open

The example of Hilter’s treatment for homosexuals (Jews and many others whom he fault for Germany’s loss in World War I) is really a poor example. He also got his own Germans shot for other things like treason (the anti-Nazi who were probably right in their cause) – but that is not mentioned by “pry eyes open”.

Interestingly, the Jews never used the Holocaust in any argument for their race – something for all open eyes to see.

hansolo on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:41 pm 

I wonder how many of these “concerned parents” were misled by thio su mien’s fear-mongering?

ThinkingSoul on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:42 pm 

To ALL SEGMENTS of SINGAPORE SOCIETY.

This is an URGENT call to TAKE NOTICE.

The Ultra-Conservative Christians Rights Movement is Alive and Well in Singapore.

We are currently witnessing 3 Consecutive Chapters of their attempt to sow discord and division within the Singapore Society.

Let me recap.

Chapter 1

The first salvo was fired by Thio Li-Ann in Parliament last year with the attempt to fan-fire the Singapore Society based on their brand of gay agenda.

Chapter 2

The takeover of AWARE engineered by the Mother of (not just Thio Li-Ann) Christians Rights Agenda using the gay issue again.

Chapter 3

Certain church members who disguised as concerned parents who grouped together to write to the Government to protest against CSE curriculum approved by the MOE.

These Ultra-Conservative Christian Rights Groups, may have been influenced or have affiliation with those American Evangelist Churches.

The American Evangelist Movements in recent years has managed to politicized the Gay-Marriage and Abortion issues in the US, to the extent that the entire US population is deeply divided to the Conservative Camps and The Liberal Camps during those Bush years. As we all know, the US economy is in dire state and they have much more pressing ssues than this kinda divisive issue.

To be fair, many Christians are Decent and Moderate People.

But they too, have to be careful, not to buy in to these radical ideas of some of the Right-Leaning churches, with are affiliated with those American Evangelist Churches.

During the 2004 American Election, Bush garnered the majority votes, by stirring up the issues of Gay-Marriage and Abortion. He uses his Christian background and Neo-Conservative Republican influence, to garnered these votes, especially among the Southern States in US, they called those geographical areas “the Bible Belt”.

The strategy was devised by his political strategist, Karl Rove. It is very effective because he beat John Kerry, from the State of Massachussets, which legalised Gay-Marriage.

After winning the election, Bush and his Republican cronies find it appropriate, as Christian Rights, to launch an attack, on Iraq, using flimsy excuses such as “Weapons of Mass Destructions”.

We should be very very careful of the those American Evangelist Movements, because they are CURRENTLY INFLUENCING MANY MANY CHURCHES WORLDWIDE. And they are HARDLINE EXTREMIST who will not hesitate to bulldoze their way to get rid of all elements not consistent with their beliefs, weather its gays, abortions or muslims, etc.

It is very obvious that some leaders of our local churches are already subcribed to the ideologies of these American Evangelist Movements, calling ALL CHRISTIANS TO DRAW A LINE (against the SECULAR SOCIETY?)

History has taught us well, The Crusades War bring untold suffering to millions of Europeans. That’s why the Europeans are much more sensitve and wary of the Fundamentalist Christian’s Movement, unlike the Americans, whom did not go through the same suffering experiences and did not learn the lessons.

Prejudices and hatred will only bring more trouble and extremism to the world, with the proliferation of more terrorist group.

We should all strive to be Moderate, Balanced and Free of Prejudices, regardless of whichever religion we have.

May God Bless Us All, regardless of Race, Religion, Sex, Sexual Preferences or any other superficial differences. Beneath our skin, we are all human.

observ on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:45 pm 

“The segment on homosexuality takes up only 5 minutes of the 3 hour CSE which is taught only to 11 schools in Singapore.”

Analogy:
1) Customers complained about severe food poisoning.
Food seller: I accidentally spilled some rat poison into the gravy; but it’s only a little bit, less than 1%, so what’s the big deal!

2) Employer charged for abusing maid.
Defence: But I only pressed the hot iron on her arm for less than 5 seconds, so what’s the big deal!

5 minutes is a very long time. In fact, in Singapore elections, some opposition leaders were given less than 5 minutes to present their complete party manifesto.

JohnnyKid on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:49 pm 

MOE has shown a high degree of tolerance and understanding for people who can hear voices in their heads, and with an addiction to a certain religion.

Eyes Open Shut on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:54 pm 

Re: Dangers of Blind Faith

Jesus said and taught a lot (I assume you are familiar with the Gospel and the Bible). He taught forgiveness, God’s love for mankind, healings, miracles, love for God, faith, talking with God, etc. He certainly taught about marriage, and their setting up a home!

TheWayangParty: LEAKED: Appeal to Prime Minister on values of marriage and family « PLURAL on Wed, 6th May 2009 7:29 pm 

[...] TheWayangParty: LEAKED: Appeal to Prime Minister on values of marriage and family Published 6 May 2009 Letters 0 Comments Tags: attitudes/behaviour, education/schools, equal rights/discrimination Source [...]

Vote of Opposition on Wed, 6th May 2009 7:29 pm 

“ThinkingSoul on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:42 pm

To ALL SEGMENTS of SINGAPORE SOCIETY.

This is an URGENT call to TAKE NOTICE.

The Ultra-Conservative Christians Rights Movement is Alive and Well in Singapore……”

Uncle or auntie,

U leave in the medieval age itzzit?

How about the view of Muslims or Hindus? This anti gay thing only christians meh?

Vote of Opposition on Wed, 6th May 2009 7:32 pm 

“WP, you are disappointing on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:22 pm

WP, looks like you are really no different from the Main Stream Media afterall – through the reporting of the AWARE related news, you had so clearly compromised the neutrality which you had credibly built up over the months. Very disappointing.”

I TOTALLY AGREED!

Vote of Opposition on Wed, 6th May 2009 7:34 pm 

This is an exciting news!

Student on trial for sex attacks
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_373074.html

Gay-Cat on Wed, 6th May 2009 8:05 pm 

http://www.talkingcock.com/html/article.php?sid=2741

Animals in Singapore are expressing worry that rabid religious fanatics might soon attempt to take over the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Dirty Harry on Wed, 6th May 2009 8:33 pm 

Are Gays and Les children of God too?

east on Wed, 6th May 2009 8:49 pm 

The feel and thoughts of the letter is oh so familiar. So the battle is not over. The 4000 clones of COOS are at it again, this makes the “regrets and apologies” of a certain pastor sound like hypocrisy.

I wonder what the PM think when the writer insisted that gays/lesbians must be ‘freed” from addiction. The exact message of COOS.

When are they going to stop imposing this on others. Its beginning to sound like the Spanish Inquisition. I think the PM have to tell them to respect others on their own terms.

Why must they always equate the CSE programmes with the promotion of gay/lesbianism. Some very educated people in Singapore really should have their brains checked. I am afraid the effect of some pastoral teachings has already done too much damage to our society and has to be looked into seriously.

anon on Wed, 6th May 2009 9:13 pm 

OMG, this guy lives very close to where I stay. Very very close. Western location…

I still really have to feel sorry for kids with parents who think schools have to teach them morals and shelter them from the realities of life. Please lah, is a same-sex couple making out going to hurt you guys or something?

Change CSE then change lor. Let’s petition for anti-fundamentalism to be taught in schools too, I don’t want my children growing up to be corrupted by moralistic types who want to control others’ minds.

And to you idiots saying WP is being “biased” – please go back and sit for your GP lessons again, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNBIASED SOURCE. You are a shining, brilliant example of the kind of person with no Bullshit Meter and cannot think for themselves. Read and decide for yourselves can? And stop thinking your kids are idiots!

Ah kow on Wed, 6th May 2009 9:19 pm 

Before many parents goes into depression over anal sex, nothing harmful to boost some ergo abit. But now we twisted the goose’s neck, no more CSE liao. I think the Parents know best, so we parents should start reading the CSE manual in details ourselves, get to upgrade, learn those new terms and DIY now. But I think the self taught lesson will be quite challenging for both the child or parents or the lesson get strayed into C H E, therefore the better idea will be for MOE to should engage our new AWARE volunteer TSM or JL to conduct C S E, sure get alot of support, at least 4000 to 7000 will support this suggestion. Our PM will also get alot of happy letters to read before sleeping.

ThinkingSoul on Wed, 6th May 2009 9:28 pm 

The gay issue is only a Pawn, in the wider context of the Ultra-Conservative Christians Rights Movement.

Next we will have Abortion issue, next comes other issues. Religious finatics have no end in their quest to inject their brand of belief system into the secular society.

Now they are targeting Government’s educational policies, we do not know what will come next.

We can’t afford a society divided over these issues, now that that we already have 2 critical issues, the economy and the swine flu.

Singapore must stay united, the once divided Americans have seen their economy slip into the worst recession in decades.

Harrylky on Wed, 6th May 2009 10:14 pm 

This is ironic. The Singapore Government is prepared to allowed bar-top dancing, the constructions of two massive casinos and tolerate Singapore being turned into a global prostitution hub in order creat more buzz in the night scenes to attract the global cosmopolitan crowds. All these are man-made vices. However they rather ignored the global trend in accepting that gay is part and parcel of human evolution. Which is more morally decadent – condoning and promoting vices or accepting what is natural ?

Anonymous on Thu, 7th May 2009 12:24 am 

first it just the anti gay agenda… next thing you know, the talebans will be having schools teach intelligent designs in schools.

JohnnyKid on Thu, 7th May 2009 12:51 am 

Next these fundies will be asking MOE to teach that the earth is 5000 years old, human beings came from adam and eve, cancer can cured by prayers, and disasters like SARS and tsunamis can be stopped by prayers and earning God’s favours.

reader on Thu, 7th May 2009 12:58 am 

To ThinkingSoul (9:28pm):

Hi, you don’t have to worry about abortion issues. The govt is very careful in not changing the status quo and risk losing votes. It is very unlikely to see abortion being outlawed anytime soon.

As for the suspension of the CSE, it really does not hold much significance. The govt will probably only change a few wordings, while still mentioning a bit about homosexuality, and try to please both camps at the same time.

Most of our kids do not rely on sex education to get their knowledge. If anything, CSE is only a small supplement. Minor changes in CSE will not cause a big impact on SG society.

Curious on Thu, 7th May 2009 1:21 am 

I have a question. Why are everyone automatically regarding anal-sex as a ‘gay-only activity’?

There’s always the option for it even in heterosexual couples. So even if anal-sex is touched on in the CSE, it doesn’t necessarily have to have a ‘pro-gay’ slant on it.

Robox on Thu, 7th May 2009 5:07 am 

To Loser Solo Bear:

Re: “The debate on CSE is over. Parents have won the battle against the Gay Pride. MOE has decided to suspend AWARE’s CSE.”

In your dreams!

A suspension is not the same thing as an elimination or a ban; the CSE is merely pending review.

The Christian fundamentalists were not successful in hijacking AWEARE, so they are now trying to hijack the CSE.

Gays. inlcuding ALEX AU, predicted in the immediate aftermath of the AWARE EGM that the Christians will definitely be back.

We were right.

Yuki on Thu, 7th May 2009 6:20 am 

By NO WAY homosexuals are to that of “drug addiction, alcohol addiction, sex addiction and etc”.

In order to compare the above stated as on par to addictions, these “addictions” must impair an individual’s daily functioning. However, homosexuality does not portray such impairments.

What is different in homosexual is just who you fancy and which gender you give your love to. Homosexuals live life the same as any other being, except for their orientation.

To compare homosexualism with that of drug, alcohol, sex addiction, it clearly shows how limited your knowledge is.

Alwin Loi on Thu, 7th May 2009 6:42 am 

there is actually need for Singapore to be somewhere in the middle of spectrum between liberal and conservative. However, take note that Singapore has actually been shifting to liberal side over the decades. I’m sure you all can notice that. So no matter how much noises ultra right wing wants to make, they will still lose out in the long run. the shift is simply inevitable.

gambit on Thu, 7th May 2009 8:16 am 

this writer is definitely not gay since he is writing out of his ass

benkwok on Thu, 7th May 2009 10:45 am 

“MOE has suspended all programmes with external vendors”

woohoo! now AWARE has to shut down their CSE liao!

budden FOTF la, CFSM, Fei Yue la also cannot spread their nonsense anymore. walau i remember the priest come to my school tell me condom fail 90% of the time, i damn scared siol! still tell me what “sex with condom is mutual masturbation” until now i still can lemember.

benkwok on Thu, 7th May 2009 11:08 am 

eh walau admin why u moderate my commment true what most of the teenagers get teh sex education from those esteemed websites what… when all informed sources are shut down, it lubricates their search for knowledge down the path of least resistance TEH INTERWEBS!(heehee lubricates)

okok now i must go sweep the floor alrd teh Femininator just came to work (tsk 11 o clock alrd then come where’s the protestant work ethic!)

Baffled on Thu, 7th May 2009 11:48 am 

I am baffled that WP did not published my earlier comments, perhaps WP have something to hide. When the previous AWARE took over, WP criticize them for being underhanded and suggested through other publications that if they wanted to change things they should set up an organization to make things happen, now this is happenning and WP starts bashing the people who wants certain areas to be reviewed by asking MOE to seriously look into it. Perhaps WP does has it own AGENDA to push for gay rights instead of being an objective platform. WP has been biased and practising double standards from the very start of the AWARE fiasco. WP has finally shown it’s true form.

Tell that to the parents. on Thu, 7th May 2009 1:39 pm 

If the parents of outed homosexual will now form a group and make representations to the govt – that would be helpful.

Are their children ‘addicted’?

Are they neutral or positive or negative?

Should the country embrace them or treat them as negatives?

What will this do to our PM call to be inclusive society?

Wolverine on Thu, 7th May 2009 10:26 pm 

harrylky so by comparing with casino and prostitution, u are saying that homosexuality is a vice or almost equal to that as well? interesting thought…

Where is the love on Fri, 8th May 2009 11:51 am 

i think people are homophobic because of their fear of the unknown. They don’t understand why people become homosexuals and things these people don’t understand, they condemn.

IMO, quoting the bible is just a way to justify their own actions and hiding their discrimination. It’s a kind of herd mentality that people have. Quick to condemn but slow to understand. Do they really think that people actually “choose” to be homosexuals?

You can’t turn a gay man straight and you can’t turn a “straight” man gay. We can’t go about condemning everything that we consider is not a “social” norm. I’m not pro-gay or anything, but I think parents are over-reacting on this CSE program. Maybe our society is still too conservative to have sex-education.

I for one, really don’t mind having my kids taught that homosexuality is neutral and natural. So that they understand and not grow up to be homophobic and learn to embrace people who are “different ” from them whether it is sexual inclinations, skin color, religion or looks. What’s so bad about that? Why do we want our children to grow up thinking that anything that is abnormal is bad and teach them to hate?

Just my 2 cents…

kindlyexplain on Fri, 8th May 2009 2:36 pm 

Hello everbody. Very natural, very sane, very safe, very healthy, very wise, very wholesome and very responsible – or very unnatural, very insane, very unsafe, very unhealthy, very unwise, very unwholesome and very irresponsible – for a male homo sapien to be copulating the rectum and its faeces-coated or faeces-packed colon, of a male or female homo sapien? Thank you.

kindlyexplain on Fri, 8th May 2009 3:04 pm 

What do you think, everybody?

Why would those AWARE females and males, and their male and female partners, husbands, “husbands”, wives and “wives” be taking the position that copulating rectum and its faeces-coated or faeces-packed colon is neutral?

That is, neither positive nor negative.

Meaning, neither natural nor unnatural, neither sane nor insane, neither safe nor unsafe, neither healthy nor unhealthy, neither wise nor unwise, neither wholesome nor unwholesome, neither responsible nor irresponsible.

Anybody is aware about the agenda of such “neutral-positioning” AWARE females and males and their partners, husbands, “husbands”, wives and “wives” which others are unaware of?

Thank you.

JL on Fri, 8th May 2009 3:38 pm 

to nicholas,

“boo to the uninformed fools who went to vote back in the old guard, simply because they seemed to be “innocent and victimsed underdogs” – something the press played out so well”

i was one who went to vote the old guards back. even if i have to do it again after, i will.

it was not about whether the CSE program is in line with certain school of thoughts. it was about a religious group should not hijack a secular group.

if FM, COOS, josie & gang were not happy about AWARE’s CSE teaching material, they should had complain to MOE, or write to the media.

the end does not justify the mean. btw, MOEis suspending CSE to review, not apologise for their mistake.

JL on Fri, 8th May 2009 3:50 pm 

another thio…

majulah singapura some more…

later, we all dont know will kena thio what from all these thios who so much want to push their beliefs to the masses

i still much prefer feminist mentor, just the name itself strikes fear to the core, even though i am a female too.

kindlyexplain on Fri, 8th May 2009 8:16 pm 

Gay-Cat’s Wed, 6th May 2009 8:05 pm’s

“http://www.talkingcock.com/html/article.php?sid=2741

Animals in Singapore are expressing worry that rabid religious fanatics might soon attempt to take over the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.”

Only natural for talkingcock to talk cock.

Animals will surely be much relieved and thankful should the specific category of rabid religious fanatics talkingcok refers to, take over the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

For then, that specific category of rabid religious fanatics talkingcock refers to, will surely ensure that Dana’s AWARE supported copulators of homo sapien rectums, will never “progress” to copulating animal rectums too.

Anonymous on Sun, 10th May 2009 10:32 am 

>>>>>>>>>
JohnnyKid on Wed, 6th May 2009 6:49 pm
>MOE has shown a high degree of tolerance and understanding for people who can hear voices in their heads, and with an addiction to a certain religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your view above is simplistic.
How are you so sure there are not others of other various religions too who are not also disturbed by the issue, but did not voice out publicly as the church goers did? And what makes you think they are thinking only of their religion when they objected to those things, or the manner in which they are presented to our kids? I am sure MOE is also concerned about this, and thus had acted quickly.

But in any case, with the intellectually ferocious influence of the original AWARE group, we can definitely say bye-bye to wholesome family values in our country. A victory for anarchy?

The saddest thing about this episode is the fact that Mdm Thio’s group has been wrongly accused of playing with religion when this is obviously not so, notwithstanding that they subscribe to the preferred scriptures of their choice. The issue they oppose is not about religion in the least, it is an issue concerning people all religions and all walk of life. Please do not hurl shoes at them.

Outsider on Sun, 10th May 2009 11:10 am 

May I add to my comments above that it is much, much preferable to delay for as long as is possible the evolution to unwholesomeness of our society than to hasten it, though it is not possible to avoid the power of evolution itself.

Bam Bam on Sun, 10th May 2009 12:19 pm 

Eyes Open Shut: can I point out to you that there are many other types of relationships which were forbidden in the past based on religious and societal norms have been overturned in time because bigoted views hiders progression of equality. Here’s an easy counter to your argument by simply replacing some of your own words:
————–
They practice INTERRACIAL sex with some regularity. Their conscience might have one time bothered them, and probably not anymore. they struggle to be considered normal.

The activist INTERRACIAL COUPLE tries to change social norm, much like the fanatical militants. It might be subtle, covert or open, but their agenda is to push the societal norm of “abnormal bahaviour into “acceptable” under the guise of “new” social order.

… It has not been contributory to any societal progress… but like a virus that destroys its host (think H1N1), their lifestyle breaks and destroys the societal fabric, foundation and future.
————–

it will be easy for you to argue away that our society has progressed and this is irrelevant. but it is relevant because it is about equality. without debunking the religious and racial intolerance (and maintaining status quo), your biracial or multiracial friends would not be accepted wholly in society today because they would be considered bastard offspring of illegitimate sexual coupling.

kindlyexplain on Sun, 10th May 2009 3:19 pm 

To stronghold.

“stronghold on Wed, 6th May 2009 5:00 pm

How can homosexuality or gay be a NEUTRAL word!?

It’s obviously a POSITIVE word!!! =)”

Gay (and also, heterosexual) sex between homo sapians and animals willtherefore be obviously a very much more POSITIVE word to you ???

kindlyexplain on Tue, 12th May 2009 8:49 am 

To Anonymous’s Sun, 10th May 2009 10:32 am.

Spot on. Absolutely spot on.

a on Tue, 12th May 2009 6:16 pm 

Parents are right to be concerned.

1. Homosexuality is entirely redundant in the CSE.
Even if you don’t mention any single word at all on homosexuality, the focus and contents of the course are the same. There is no impact. The girls still learn everything in there about no/safe-sex.

2. Homosexuality is a controversial issue.
CSE tries to say homosexuality is a simple neutral thing, which is far from the true reality. Homosexuality is actually a controversial thing. This is not just in Singapore, but even also in so-called “liberal” countries too.

3. CSE is supposed to give objective advices to young girls.
Anything said in such a course may be mistaken to be the objective reality. But the reality is: homosexuality is still controversial and inconclusive. The young girls may be confused which is the true reality.

Combine (1),(2),(3) : Why say mention homosexuality when you don’t even need to say a word on homosexuality? Why say homosexuality is neutral when it is actually controversial. Somemore, this is done in a course where the girls may take this as the objective reality.

kindlyexplain on Thu, 14th May 2009 7:59 am 

Spot-on, “a”. Spot-on.

kindlyexplain on Thu, 14th May 2009 7:59 am 

With thanks to trailnuts’ below Mon, 4th May 2009 9:09 pm post in Wayang Party’s “BREAKING: Leaked emails from COOS members showed that AWARE take-over was pre-planned in advance!!”

“Turns out Shawn Tay himself claims to be an ‘ex-gay’.. umm…. take a look here..

http://www.coos.org.sg/testimony/index.php?coospg=2007/2007_finding_learning_the_truth.html

interesting…”

Yah. Interesting.