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	<title>Comments on: Offer of olive branch by AWARE President Josie Lau Meng Lee failed to convince sceptics; Old Guards gathering troops to fight back</title>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-12054</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 05:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: When all fails, just blame it on the devil - the art of the mufflement of the truth. &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-10675</link>
		<dc:creator>When all fails, just blame it on the devil - the art of the mufflement of the truth. &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: citizen too</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9772</link>
		<dc:creator>citizen too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why need there be all this big fuss about the whole issue? Small fuss, yes okay. But it’s about time we move on to other more important things.

The old guard must simply face the stark reality that we, as a ‘clean-living’ society on the whole in this part of the world, may simply not be ready for this kind of full tolerance and even advocacy of ‘unhealthy tastes’, specifically unnatural male/male sex practices. In this regard, I am agreeable with the ‘new’ org (but not their religious views). After all, they are actively promoting wholesome family life, aren’t they?

Let us not waste anymore time on this ‘issue’. Furthermore, what certain individuals do in private can be their own private business, but for a high-profile institution to condone, empathise with, or even promote certain fetishes, as it were, on a public basis is not something that we as a society is ready for at least at the present stage of our social evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why need there be all this big fuss about the whole issue? Small fuss, yes okay. But it’s about time we move on to other more important things.</p>
<p>The old guard must simply face the stark reality that we, as a ‘clean-living’ society on the whole in this part of the world, may simply not be ready for this kind of full tolerance and even advocacy of ‘unhealthy tastes’, specifically unnatural male/male sex practices. In this regard, I am agreeable with the ‘new’ org (but not their religious views). After all, they are actively promoting wholesome family life, aren’t they?</p>
<p>Let us not waste anymore time on this ‘issue’. Furthermore, what certain individuals do in private can be their own private business, but for a high-profile institution to condone, empathise with, or even promote certain fetishes, as it were, on a public basis is not something that we as a society is ready for at least at the present stage of our social evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9666</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is there for Mr Oh to rebut? He and his entire team has been caught red handed by the brotherhood liaison officer. They paid out rope, they got cocky and hung themselves. 

So if he replies, it will be with more or less the same nonsense. Do you really expect an intelligent rebuttal? 

What is important for me is the brotherhood have now formally issued out a reader advisory warning to every netizen. We should all exercise caution and learn to read between the lines and ask ourselves further, why does Oh write the things, he writes? Who is he working for? What is his agenda?

I once asked SD how did he know their methods so well. He told us all, this is what they learnt when they studied how the chinese govt tries to control the internet. They frequently use this type of reverse psycho method as one of the ways to shape public thinking and opinion. Where did this people learn how to do this? That is the question we all need to ask ourselves. 

The way I see it, these people cannot find a way to break the credibility of the BP and some of the guest writers here. As the BP is quite a strange press, although it is anonymous it is also very well respected by most netizens as being accurate, true and intelligent, that I think has to be a threat, especially, when so much has already been invested in the belief anonymity = no credibility. So what better way to advance that reality than to recreate exactly the same conditions where all of us may eventually come to regard all anonymous post are nonsense by posting nonsense regulary in the way Oh normally does. The whole exercise is to repeat the lie again and again, till it becomes the truth.

We all have to learn to be more intelligent that is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is there for Mr Oh to rebut? He and his entire team has been caught red handed by the brotherhood liaison officer. They paid out rope, they got cocky and hung themselves. </p>
<p>So if he replies, it will be with more or less the same nonsense. Do you really expect an intelligent rebuttal? </p>
<p>What is important for me is the brotherhood have now formally issued out a reader advisory warning to every netizen. We should all exercise caution and learn to read between the lines and ask ourselves further, why does Oh write the things, he writes? Who is he working for? What is his agenda?</p>
<p>I once asked SD how did he know their methods so well. He told us all, this is what they learnt when they studied how the chinese govt tries to control the internet. They frequently use this type of reverse psycho method as one of the ways to shape public thinking and opinion. Where did this people learn how to do this? That is the question we all need to ask ourselves. </p>
<p>The way I see it, these people cannot find a way to break the credibility of the BP and some of the guest writers here. As the BP is quite a strange press, although it is anonymous it is also very well respected by most netizens as being accurate, true and intelligent, that I think has to be a threat, especially, when so much has already been invested in the belief anonymity = no credibility. So what better way to advance that reality than to recreate exactly the same conditions where all of us may eventually come to regard all anonymous post are nonsense by posting nonsense regulary in the way Oh normally does. The whole exercise is to repeat the lie again and again, till it becomes the truth.</p>
<p>We all have to learn to be more intelligent that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaunty Jabber</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9630</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaunty Jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick seeing the old guards of AWARE who are too eager in forcing a &quot;wayang&quot; after they faced the exit door of AWARE without &quot;sayang&quot;. Some advices for the old guards, if you respect the system and believed that AWARE was built with clean hands, do respect the AGM vote result and respect the authority. 
Some of the dishonorable methods that you are using and are planning to use will just prove to the public that you aren’t fit to remain in AWARE. Please keep AWARE clean and free of dishonors. The more you, the old guards tried to work your ways to overturn the new team, the more the public feel disgusted. 
How would the public be convinced by you people who use dishonorable methods and plots to gain back those lost chairs for your derrière to be planted? Some of your dishonorable methods like boycotting DBS, canceling your DBS credit cards and also encouraging your supporters to the same is not fighting the battle with righteous. I hope DBS is not fooled by your lame plot, even with your secret letter of protest to them complaining against Josie&#039;s position. If DBS is a good bank and is confident of their robust service, they will be able to distinguish that losing a few customers out of this matter is not due to their poor service or staff member&#039;s involvement in AWARE, but merely a lame tool you used to fight your bitter battle. Thus the bank is still sound. 
Your action to blanket collect new members in order to build your vote numbers is against the mission of AWARE to help women with volunteered service. You are using the new members as digits to build your numbers. These members, joining AWARE without intention to contribute to the organization, might just jeopardize the organization&#039;s orderliness and objectives. They have joined only for 1 reason, to achieve only 1 purpose; they are like disposable material, good for 1 use only. After the EOGM, what are these members going to contribute to AWARE? Some of you, the old guards, have even offered to help fund the $40 membership fee for new members, in this care are you BUYING VOTES? 
Old guards, you have gone over burn too much, working too hard just to win. Who is the one having some hidden personal agenda? The public is not blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick seeing the old guards of AWARE who are too eager in forcing a &#8220;wayang&#8221; after they faced the exit door of AWARE without &#8220;sayang&#8221;. Some advices for the old guards, if you respect the system and believed that AWARE was built with clean hands, do respect the AGM vote result and respect the authority.<br />
Some of the dishonorable methods that you are using and are planning to use will just prove to the public that you aren’t fit to remain in AWARE. Please keep AWARE clean and free of dishonors. The more you, the old guards tried to work your ways to overturn the new team, the more the public feel disgusted.<br />
How would the public be convinced by you people who use dishonorable methods and plots to gain back those lost chairs for your derrière to be planted? Some of your dishonorable methods like boycotting DBS, canceling your DBS credit cards and also encouraging your supporters to the same is not fighting the battle with righteous. I hope DBS is not fooled by your lame plot, even with your secret letter of protest to them complaining against Josie&#8217;s position. If DBS is a good bank and is confident of their robust service, they will be able to distinguish that losing a few customers out of this matter is not due to their poor service or staff member&#8217;s involvement in AWARE, but merely a lame tool you used to fight your bitter battle. Thus the bank is still sound.<br />
Your action to blanket collect new members in order to build your vote numbers is against the mission of AWARE to help women with volunteered service. You are using the new members as digits to build your numbers. These members, joining AWARE without intention to contribute to the organization, might just jeopardize the organization&#8217;s orderliness and objectives. They have joined only for 1 reason, to achieve only 1 purpose; they are like disposable material, good for 1 use only. After the EOGM, what are these members going to contribute to AWARE? Some of you, the old guards, have even offered to help fund the $40 membership fee for new members, in this care are you BUYING VOTES?<br />
Old guards, you have gone over burn too much, working too hard just to win. Who is the one having some hidden personal agenda? The public is not blind.</p>
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		<title>By: fairplay</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9623</link>
		<dc:creator>fairplay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>admin on Wed, 22nd Apr 2009 6:48 pm
Singaporedaddy on Wed, 22nd Apr 2009 9:21 pm
Admin - Thank you for exercising extreme caution in approving Mr. Oh&#039;s comments
Singaporedaddy - Thank you for you enlightening to netizens here about Mr. Oh.
Lets see what Mr. Oh&#039;s rebuttal is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>admin on Wed, 22nd Apr 2009 6:48 pm<br />
Singaporedaddy on Wed, 22nd Apr 2009 9:21 pm<br />
Admin &#8211; Thank you for exercising extreme caution in approving Mr. Oh&#8217;s comments<br />
Singaporedaddy &#8211; Thank you for you enlightening to netizens here about Mr. Oh.<br />
Lets see what Mr. Oh&#8217;s rebuttal is.</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporedaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9608</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporedaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want all of you to think long and hard about the curious case of Oh Tham Eng.

(A) Where does he get the confidence to say what he regularly says from, where? UNLESS of course someone upstairs has given him the green light and even immunity from prosecution. Otherwise why is he so brazen?

(B) How can someone have so much time in his hands; I for example only can spare 60 minutes; darkness at most 30 (and that accounts why all his essays have so my spelling mistakes and all of us have to help him correct it like a wiki)

(C) Why does he constantly cite ministers, religious texts etc - what is trying to do? Is he trying to reverse psycho us all to the idea online registration may perhaps be a cure to the malady of our times?

I want you all to consider this next time when you read what Oh Tham Eng has to say; it is not what he says that is significant, but how he says it - and that of course should provoke us all to consider who are is masters? What do they want to do here? 

You see Oh Tham Eng, two can play the same game here; like I said, you are slacking. You better shovel some coal into that furnace.

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want all of you to think long and hard about the curious case of Oh Tham Eng.</p>
<p>(A) Where does he get the confidence to say what he regularly says from, where? UNLESS of course someone upstairs has given him the green light and even immunity from prosecution. Otherwise why is he so brazen?</p>
<p>(B) How can someone have so much time in his hands; I for example only can spare 60 minutes; darkness at most 30 (and that accounts why all his essays have so my spelling mistakes and all of us have to help him correct it like a wiki)</p>
<p>(C) Why does he constantly cite ministers, religious texts etc &#8211; what is trying to do? Is he trying to reverse psycho us all to the idea online registration may perhaps be a cure to the malady of our times?</p>
<p>I want you all to consider this next time when you read what Oh Tham Eng has to say; it is not what he says that is significant, but how he says it &#8211; and that of course should provoke us all to consider who are is masters? What do they want to do here? </p>
<p>You see Oh Tham Eng, two can play the same game here; like I said, you are slacking. You better shovel some coal into that furnace.</p>
<p>SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporedaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9605</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporedaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think I am making up stories here, all of you ladies can go and ask Darkness directly - he even has all proof to substantiate what I have just said.

Go on. Have we ever been wrong?

As I said, we are always two or three steps ahead of them...always! :)

SD(Internet liaison officer of the brotherhood)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think I am making up stories here, all of you ladies can go and ask Darkness directly &#8211; he even has all proof to substantiate what I have just said.</p>
<p>Go on. Have we ever been wrong?</p>
<p>As I said, we are always two or three steps ahead of them&#8230;always! <img src='http://www.temasekreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>SD(Internet liaison officer of the brotherhood)</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporedaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/20/offer-of-olive-branch-by-aware-president-josie-lau-meng-lee-failed-to-convince-sceptics-old-guards-gathering-troops-to-fight-back/comment-page-2/#comment-9604</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporedaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>micacika,

If you want to understand why Oh Tham Eng does what he does - wonder no more - his mission is to promote the whole idea of online registration. And how does he do it, by being a bastard.

This is if you didnt know is how you sell the whole idea of a gold plated fire engine - start fires.

His secondary mission as you correctly pointed out is to tag this site as a place where the lunatic fringe usually hang out. And this as you rightly pointed out is accomplished when first time readers come here only to be put off by his long comatose inducing rants (we have already taken the trouble to warn ALL our readers in Ekunaba regarding this matter)

So Oh Tham Eng, pls continue; dont stop; bc you seem to be letting up somewhat (you should earn salary); his other mission of course is to give much need credence to theonlinecitizen which is presently occupied by 5 full time sock puppets who do nothing all day, but create the impression, there is a real conversation going on there; when infact, all they are really doing there is to sell us all the illusion there is a real online discourse - once again the goal is to shore up their fledging readership which they were not able to augment despite reams and reams of free advertisement in the ST, courtesy of that hack Jeremy Au - that of course is to pave the way for you know who? That other lame duck...who we all know as none other than...you guessed it.

Prove me wrong; as I said, we are always two or three steps ahead of these people. I only wish they will give us something harder to hack. As I said, we know how to play this game very well :)

Happy reading all,

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>micacika,</p>
<p>If you want to understand why Oh Tham Eng does what he does &#8211; wonder no more &#8211; his mission is to promote the whole idea of online registration. And how does he do it, by being a bastard.</p>
<p>This is if you didnt know is how you sell the whole idea of a gold plated fire engine &#8211; start fires.</p>
<p>His secondary mission as you correctly pointed out is to tag this site as a place where the lunatic fringe usually hang out. And this as you rightly pointed out is accomplished when first time readers come here only to be put off by his long comatose inducing rants (we have already taken the trouble to warn ALL our readers in Ekunaba regarding this matter)</p>
<p>So Oh Tham Eng, pls continue; dont stop; bc you seem to be letting up somewhat (you should earn salary); his other mission of course is to give much need credence to theonlinecitizen which is presently occupied by 5 full time sock puppets who do nothing all day, but create the impression, there is a real conversation going on there; when infact, all they are really doing there is to sell us all the illusion there is a real online discourse &#8211; once again the goal is to shore up their fledging readership which they were not able to augment despite reams and reams of free advertisement in the ST, courtesy of that hack Jeremy Au &#8211; that of course is to pave the way for you know who? That other lame duck&#8230;who we all know as none other than&#8230;you guessed it.</p>
<p>Prove me wrong; as I said, we are always two or three steps ahead of these people. I only wish they will give us something harder to hack. As I said, we know how to play this game very well <img src='http://www.temasekreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Happy reading all,</p>
<p>SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)</p>
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		<title>By: infp</title>
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		<dc:creator>infp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fish n chips

wrote


“My advice to both new and old teams, it’s time to show hands now. No more tricks up the sleeves. Just come clean with what is there in this group? Money? Power? Or what? It can’t be for the love of the work, right???”


i am not challenging your assessment. i am just curious: why do you say it can&#039;t be for the love of work? the new exco, i can understand, but the old exco?  please share, i am interested to hear your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fish n chips</p>
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<p>“My advice to both new and old teams, it’s time to show hands now. No more tricks up the sleeves. Just come clean with what is there in this group? Money? Power? Or what? It can’t be for the love of the work, right???”</p>
<p>i am not challenging your assessment. i am just curious: why do you say it can&#8217;t be for the love of work? the new exco, i can understand, but the old exco?  please share, i am interested to hear your ideas.</p>
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