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		<title>By: shoestring</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoestring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They have sought to characterise the vote of no confidence as an act of disrespect towards the system. What they fail to grasp is that the vote of no confidence is part of the system itself.&quot;

Yes, the vote of no confidence is part of the system, but the reason for evoking this tool is a mockery to the voting system. 

What is the reason? Has the new exco done anything yet? Have they been proven incompetent, out of line? No. Only baseless accusations were hurled at them based on their background.

By the same logic then one can also say the gays have an evil intention, that is to exterminate all christians because they are anti-christianity, and do not subscribe to christian values.

This so-called reason is nothing but hot air speculation, paranoia and hysteria.

Oh, they were sneaky and therefore have ulterior motives. Sorry, they followed the rules of the system. If that is sneaky, then blame it on the ones who put the system in place.

And as I have highlighted elsewhere, after the old guard has condemned the new guard for allegedly recruiting new members to &quot;overthrow&quot; them, the old guard themselves are employing the same strategy they condemned.

Where is the integrity?

By the way, AWARE does not belong to the old guard. Anyone is entitled to head AWARE.

And you know what, somewhere along the line, the old guard seems to have digressed from the original mission of AWARE by replacing the &quot;gender&quot; in &quot;gender equality&quot; with &quot;sexuality&quot;.

&quot;AWARE is Singapore’s leading advocacy group dedicated to promoting gender equality.&quot;

&quot;Our mission is to identify areas for improvement in gender equality, encourage positive change, and support women in realising their highest potential.&quot;

http://www.aware.org.sg/?page_id=17

Where oh where is the word &quot;sexuality&quot;? Now, that makes me wonder why.

More:
&quot;...they are gains which benefit families and society as a whole.&quot;

&quot;families&quot; see? What is wrong with being pro-family?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They have sought to characterise the vote of no confidence as an act of disrespect towards the system. What they fail to grasp is that the vote of no confidence is part of the system itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the vote of no confidence is part of the system, but the reason for evoking this tool is a mockery to the voting system. </p>
<p>What is the reason? Has the new exco done anything yet? Have they been proven incompetent, out of line? No. Only baseless accusations were hurled at them based on their background.</p>
<p>By the same logic then one can also say the gays have an evil intention, that is to exterminate all christians because they are anti-christianity, and do not subscribe to christian values.</p>
<p>This so-called reason is nothing but hot air speculation, paranoia and hysteria.</p>
<p>Oh, they were sneaky and therefore have ulterior motives. Sorry, they followed the rules of the system. If that is sneaky, then blame it on the ones who put the system in place.</p>
<p>And as I have highlighted elsewhere, after the old guard has condemned the new guard for allegedly recruiting new members to &#8220;overthrow&#8221; them, the old guard themselves are employing the same strategy they condemned.</p>
<p>Where is the integrity?</p>
<p>By the way, AWARE does not belong to the old guard. Anyone is entitled to head AWARE.</p>
<p>And you know what, somewhere along the line, the old guard seems to have digressed from the original mission of AWARE by replacing the &#8220;gender&#8221; in &#8220;gender equality&#8221; with &#8220;sexuality&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;AWARE is Singapore’s leading advocacy group dedicated to promoting gender equality.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Our mission is to identify areas for improvement in gender equality, encourage positive change, and support women in realising their highest potential.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aware.org.sg/?page_id=17" rel="nofollow">http://www.aware.org.sg/?page_id=17</a></p>
<p>Where oh where is the word &#8220;sexuality&#8221;? Now, that makes me wonder why.</p>
<p>More:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;they are gains which benefit families and society as a whole.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;families&#8221; see? What is wrong with being pro-family?</p>
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		<title>By: idunbelieveit</title>
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		<dc:creator>idunbelieveit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are intolerant of the sexual minorities in society, what makes you think people should be tolerant of political minorities like most of you people here are???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are intolerant of the sexual minorities in society, what makes you think people should be tolerant of political minorities like most of you people here are???</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are intolerant of the sexual minorities in society, what makes you think people should be tolerant of political minorities like most of you people here are???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are intolerant of the sexual minorities in society, what makes you think people should be tolerant of political minorities like most of you people here are???</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never met the leader of the brotherhood before. I have never had the privilege to met him in person. All I have is an old image of him snapped on board the les enfants du paradis, his flagship as he prepared for the greatest invasion in cyber history. The ancession wars. I fought in that war beside the forces of darkness. I was a lowly navigator on board a freighter, the californian. That was many years ago.

This is all I have of the father of the game in the virtual. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHvt-bkOd4

I think he was was reviewing the battle plans. 

That was 600 years ago. It would be nice, if we could all get together for old times sake.

I think there are a couple of thousand of us who feel the same. You see we heard he is leaving. We would like to pay our respects to him. That I feel is not too much to ask as a loyal soldier who once fought for the tri-color flag of the brotherhood.

Long live the brotherhood!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never met the leader of the brotherhood before. I have never had the privilege to met him in person. All I have is an old image of him snapped on board the les enfants du paradis, his flagship as he prepared for the greatest invasion in cyber history. The ancession wars. I fought in that war beside the forces of darkness. I was a lowly navigator on board a freighter, the californian. That was many years ago.</p>
<p>This is all I have of the father of the game in the virtual. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHvt-bkOd4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHvt-bkOd4</a></p>
<p>I think he was was reviewing the battle plans. </p>
<p>That was 600 years ago. It would be nice, if we could all get together for old times sake.</p>
<p>I think there are a couple of thousand of us who feel the same. You see we heard he is leaving. We would like to pay our respects to him. That I feel is not too much to ask as a loyal soldier who once fought for the tri-color flag of the brotherhood.</p>
<p>Long live the brotherhood!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homos does what they do best, whining and yelling to get their way. They want democracy yet when democracy is upheld against their agenda, they scream their heads off.

Look at California&#039;s Proposition 8. Californians voted &quot;NO&quot; to homo-marriages democratically. What did the homos do? They swamp into churches, streets blocking traffic and halting commerce. They singled out individuals who donated money to organizations that support Prop8 and pressure their companies to fire them (Sound familiar?). If you need an example of what homos will do to Singapore, look no further.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

Guys, can you tell me which opposition is pro-family and will not kowtow to homo pressure? From TOC to the many local &quot;political&quot; blogs, it looks like if I am pro-opposition, I have to be pro-homo. If that is the case then I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;ll vote PAP anyday. I would rather sacrifice my civil rights and have my morals than to have freedom without morals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homos does what they do best, whining and yelling to get their way. They want democracy yet when democracy is upheld against their agenda, they scream their heads off.</p>
<p>Look at California&#8217;s Proposition 8. Californians voted &#8220;NO&#8221; to homo-marriages democratically. What did the homos do? They swamp into churches, streets blocking traffic and halting commerce. They singled out individuals who donated money to organizations that support Prop8 and pressure their companies to fire them (Sound familiar?). If you need an example of what homos will do to Singapore, look no further.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)</a></p>
<p>Guys, can you tell me which opposition is pro-family and will not kowtow to homo pressure? From TOC to the many local &#8220;political&#8221; blogs, it looks like if I am pro-opposition, I have to be pro-homo. If that is the case then I&#8217;m sorry, I&#8217;ll vote PAP anyday. I would rather sacrifice my civil rights and have my morals than to have freedom without morals.</p>
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		<title>By: Mother Goose Stories &#171; The Sun Shines on Singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mother Goose Stories &#171; The Sun Shines on Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are now cut-off and cannot rely on AWARE support possibly because the new guard is in-charged now. Hell has no fury like a woman scorned. The new AWARE exco is getting a front row experience on that idiom. What’s good for the goose [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are now cut-off and cannot rely on AWARE support possibly because the new guard is in-charged now. Hell has no fury like a woman scorned. The new AWARE exco is getting a front row experience on that idiom. What’s good for the goose [...]</p>
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		<title>By: blindman</title>
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		<dc:creator>blindman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is this. If there is a set of rules. And if someone wins. Then give it a chance. If you tell me, after a reasonable period of evaluation and it is found this new exco members are a bunch of no hopers. Then I say by all means go ahead with the vote of no confidence.

But if they table a vote of confidence a few days after the the old have been booted out. Then I think most people will ask of the old guard, what are you trying to do here?

What remains ironical is when DBS is coming up with stupid employee can and cannot do guidelines. This is what AWARE should be doing to rightly further the cause of women, but instead, they all seem to be more interested in cat fighting.

The old and new both deserve to go the dogs I think. Better still outsource it to the United Nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is this. If there is a set of rules. And if someone wins. Then give it a chance. If you tell me, after a reasonable period of evaluation and it is found this new exco members are a bunch of no hopers. Then I say by all means go ahead with the vote of no confidence.</p>
<p>But if they table a vote of confidence a few days after the the old have been booted out. Then I think most people will ask of the old guard, what are you trying to do here?</p>
<p>What remains ironical is when DBS is coming up with stupid employee can and cannot do guidelines. This is what AWARE should be doing to rightly further the cause of women, but instead, they all seem to be more interested in cat fighting.</p>
<p>The old and new both deserve to go the dogs I think. Better still outsource it to the United Nations.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 17 Apr 2009</title>
		<link>http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/04/15/should-the-old-guard-of-aware-just-accept-defeat-and-bow-out-gracefully/comment-page-2/#comment-8886</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 17 Apr 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New Adventures of Josie and the Pussycats - Singapore Life and Times: Toasted - The Wayang Party: Should the old guard of AWARE just accept defeat and bow out gracefully? - TOC: DBS “disappointed” with Josie Lau’s disregard for staff Code of Conduct - The Wayang [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] New Adventures of Josie and the Pussycats &#8211; Singapore Life and Times: Toasted &#8211; The Wayang Party: Should the old guard of AWARE just accept defeat and bow out gracefully? &#8211; TOC: DBS “disappointed” with Josie Lau’s disregard for staff Code of Conduct &#8211; The Wayang [...]</p>
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		<title>By: blindman</title>
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		<dc:creator>blindman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bystander on Fri, 17th Apr 2009 12:23 am 

&quot;They have sought to characterise the vote of no confidence as an act of disrespect towards the system. What they fail to grasp is that the vote of no confidence is part of the system itself.&quot;

Yes, I agree, but just look at:

(a) How did the strait times present the facts when they &quot;reported&quot; on the swap out of the leadership. Was that impartial reporting?

(b) Look how personalities like Yawning Bread and Glass Castle responded to this matter. How did the whole issue of the Christian right become blown up?

(3) Look again at the innuendo&#039;s is bandied around. Someone is red eyed. Some has walked out. Some is disillusioned etc. What images do you think the press is trying to paint? I think it is fair to say, they are trying to portray it as something very sinister.

And when you put the vote of no confidence against 1 2 and 3 how can you not say, it is not one of the same reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bystander on Fri, 17th Apr 2009 12:23 am </p>
<p>&#8220;They have sought to characterise the vote of no confidence as an act of disrespect towards the system. What they fail to grasp is that the vote of no confidence is part of the system itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I agree, but just look at:</p>
<p>(a) How did the strait times present the facts when they &#8220;reported&#8221; on the swap out of the leadership. Was that impartial reporting?</p>
<p>(b) Look how personalities like Yawning Bread and Glass Castle responded to this matter. How did the whole issue of the Christian right become blown up?</p>
<p>(3) Look again at the innuendo&#8217;s is bandied around. Someone is red eyed. Some has walked out. Some is disillusioned etc. What images do you think the press is trying to paint? I think it is fair to say, they are trying to portray it as something very sinister.</p>
<p>And when you put the vote of no confidence against 1 2 and 3 how can you not say, it is not one of the same reality.</p>
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		<title>By: shoestring</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoestring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About oppositions. 

I can finally see why SDP has been the least successful of the APs despite his sincere efforts. It is their emphasis on human rights, which on its own is noble and worthy of support.

But, having seen how the issue of human rights can be exploited by activists who are interested only in their own rights, it might have scared many away.

Given their propensity to make mountains out of molehills, if SDP gets into parliament, imagine what these activists can do through a friendly proxy.

This is well-meaning feedback to SDP from a voter&#039;s perspective. Dr Chee should re-think or define his human rights stance more clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About oppositions. </p>
<p>I can finally see why SDP has been the least successful of the APs despite his sincere efforts. It is their emphasis on human rights, which on its own is noble and worthy of support.</p>
<p>But, having seen how the issue of human rights can be exploited by activists who are interested only in their own rights, it might have scared many away.</p>
<p>Given their propensity to make mountains out of molehills, if SDP gets into parliament, imagine what these activists can do through a friendly proxy.</p>
<p>This is well-meaning feedback to SDP from a voter&#8217;s perspective. Dr Chee should re-think or define his human rights stance more clearly.</p>
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