Comments on: The Art of Engineering Consent in China – Why China is a lousy role model.

By: We are the BOSS

We are the BOSS — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:54:34 +0000

When these former chinese leaders resign from their duties, u don’t see them cling on to the system… Deng Xiao Ping, Jiang Zhe Ming, Li Peng, Zhu Rong Ji, they all resign clean and u don’t see them in the political scene anymore. Of course, we do believe they still have a lot of influence in the politic, but they don’t make it public…. LKY n GCT should learn.
Just 2 months ago, Wen Jian Bao host an internet discuss with his public. Thousand of messages came in and his took patient, 2 or 3 hours, to answer a few of them…. Our Lee’s son should learn.
I saw in the chinese documentary showing records of the Vietnam’s war and how the chinese work with vietnam to clear their boundary. Just talking to a few school drop out don’t just tell you the story that the chinese dun know. Most of my friends in their 30s indeed told me about this war which I forget if I have learn them in my school days….. u shd learn.
A lot of the ppl I met in china are a lot better educated than our Singaporean. The numbers of unversities in major cities in fact has out number a lot of countries. I remember once a VP of Motorola told me that their factories have the most graduate compare to other countries operation. Even a taxi driver can tell you some good history of china than our teacher back home…. our MOE’s minister shd learn.

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This is the only valuable thing that YP will ever learn from China « — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:08:13 +0000

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By: Singaporedaddy

Singaporedaddy — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:44:34 +0000

“why might there be a tension between economic growth on the one hand and the preservation of the communist regime on the other? is this tension ideological or is it a case of performance legitimacy or the lack of?”

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Reader Name: Curious / Spool time: 94.0285 / 2009 Forwarded by SG/MLY Liaison

- Pls refer to Minxin Pei – China’s Trapped Transition: The Limits of Developmental Autocracy (Harvard University Press, 2006).

- Pls refer to Nixon center publication: 250287-AB / The Color of China by Minxin Pei and Jonathan Anderson Date of publication 03.03.2009 / a free copy is available in National Interest Online.

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I hope this helps Curious. thanks. SD

By: bah bah

bah bah — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:05:34 +0000

To Jung: I echo Singaporedaddy’s reply to you, “You cyber insurgents need to brush up on your IQ. LOL”

By: curious

curious — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:18:43 +0000

“I have forwarded your post to the ASDF for a reply Curious. Nice to see you here again.”

- thanks for passing the query on; and

- i think i have drawn from you a good reason why dr. gomez’s views are flawed; but that conversation is done and dusted

By: Singaporedaddy

Singaporedaddy — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:25:19 +0000

Good Afternoon Curious,

I did not write this excellent report. But I know the people who did. The ASDF – from what I understand, communism and capitalism dont make very good bed partners.

The divide appears to be not only at an ideological level, rather how efficient and reliable is communism in running a country like China?

Consider this: when HK reverted to China – why was the HKSAR formed giving way to the idealogue of “one country, two system?” Here we have the clearest recognition communism CANNOT be reconciled with capitalism. So there, something had to give – ideology it seems.

The problem with the CCP is its living on borrowed time since it opened it doors in the 70’s (the report is wrong, it is not the 80’s); no one denies, it has done a fair job of juggling capitalism with communism; but again how efficient is it? Is there a better system?

Its conceivable when we talk about fusing communism with capitalism that’s really like trying to use your washing machine as a cement mixer; Firstly, it wasnt designed to do that; sure you could make it work given the time and investment – just as you could probably make elephants fly if you put enough engines on them – but the real question is would China have been able to do a better job if they reinvented and streamlined the CCP? I am not talking about democracy – I am referring to effective management of resources and opportunity cost along with perhaps risk mitigation, this is one issue that is seldom broached.

I think what this report is trying to say is they (CCP) never ever bothered to do this one thing; in short they neglected the whole business of keeping up with the times and instead reinforced failure by keeping to the FORM when its FUNCTION has long ceased to be relevant. And now they are in deep shit. So why are we learning from people who are covered in shit?

I have forwarded your post to the ASDF for a reply Curious. Nice to see you here again.

Thank you

By: curious

curious — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:13:59 +0000

“Men like President Hu Jintao and former President Jiang Zemin have always struggled with two diametrically opposed realities every since China opened her doors in the early 80’s; how to sustain economic growth and yet preserve the fragile communist regime.”

- why might there be a tension between economic growth on the one hand and the preservation of the communist regime on the other? is this tension ideological or is it a case of performance legitimacy or the lack of?

By: Singaporedaddy

Singaporedaddy — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:02:47 +0000

“What a load of crap, singaporedaddy! tak boleh tahan your delusions! it’s pathetic.”

Put it this way. You cyber insurgents need to brush up on your IQ. LOL

By: Jung

Jung — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:01:11 +0000

What a load of crap, singaporedaddy! tak boleh tahan your delusions! it’s pathetic.

By: sushibar

sushibar — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:55:13 +0000

分析得不精彩